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    Coq, you are pretty much speaking in place for my buddy Andy. He loves the book and for the same reasons you gave. But, it appeals to the defiant, the young rebel. I mean if Holden wanted to do something great he could have, but he drank and became very idle in his rebellion, at least I think.

    I should have read it as a teenager when I thought like him, but as an adult (although many would argue with me) I find him annoying.

    Anyway, I read it but I have no plans on reading it again.

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    shinysides: I don't think you know what I mean when I'm talking about reading something as literature. It's not about enjoying or taking your time with the text, it's about acutely analyzing the story for all the subtext and meaning, and seeing how well everything has been put together. I'm not saying that On the Road isn't a good read (I haven't read it yet), I'm just clarifying my statement.

    togs: well, holden caulfield isn't about being a rebel, he's just about seeing the place he's in as it actually is. i'm not the greatest fan of catcher in the rye, but it's an interesting book and i think too many people just dump on it because they're not reading it properly.

    it's about reading things as literature. If you're reading textbooks or grocery lists or whatever, that's fine, but reading literature as it's supposed to be read is something that takes a lot of concentration and ability to connect the dots. Literature isn't about what's being said, it's entirely about what's in between the lines. Great authors make use of certain language, certain turns of phrase in order to colour the statements they make. They create symbols or use archetypes to illustrate a point that can't be read at face value because the message is intrinsic to the way each element of the story adapts to each other. When I talk about Catcher's value for seeing the world as it is, and how Holden is able to do so (even though he's never actually aware of that), that's never explicitly stated in the story, and it's not something you're going to pick up if you just read the book. Reading things as literature is about identifying each symbol through various means, and seeing how they relate to each other in the story, and how they relate to life through your own experiences. One of the greatest joys of reading is the fact that archetypes exist, and finding them in a tale so expertly described helps give new eyes to the way you see the world around you, because they do actually exist as they are written, or at least with only minor differences.

    With the language selection, the metaphors or similes an author uses to set the scene set the tone of the story itself, and the abstract concepts associated to the symbols that are evoked through the use of related language is another way of communicating the point. An example can be found in pretty much any short story, but I'll give this as an example:

    The Garden Party by Katherine Mansfield


    The story is a touching little tale of one of those major/minor (or something in between) steps everybody takes as they get older and come to understand the world around them. The major theme of this story is innocence and it's evoked through symbols of flight, or freedom. Symbols are things such as referring to characters as butterflies, and through the concept of spring and flowers, how everything is in bloom. I didn't need to ctrl v the whole story, but I did because it's an interesting little read and has all the aspects of great writing for observant people to pick out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheOriginalGrumpySpy View Post
    I enjoy travel literature, but, sometimes I get into books late.

    Catcher in the Rye for example I didn't read until 2 years ago. A book I should have read while I was still a starry eyed high-schooler. I didn't like it, in fact, I hated the book. Holden was such a little bitch that complained and ended up where he started.

    On The Road is like one of those books that people tell me to read. I know it put the Beat generation on the map and is like the epitome of some travel books, but I should have read it so long ago that I don't really have any interest in it. It's the hype that's stopping me. Who knows, one day I may pick it up to see what the fuss is all about, but until then I enjoy the books I read now.
    That doesn't mean you shouldn't read it. It's got a great style and unique characters.
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    I read On the Road recently and really didn't like it all that much. The characters were idiotic and unrelateable and the style was pretty dull save for some moments of eloquence which were a bit hit and miss. It wasn't awful in all fairness and when it worked it really did and I could see why people rave about it. Mainly, it seemed dull and a little pointless to me.

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    Mmm, I'm not going through it all that fast, but I've been very busy lately. It's not the kind of book I'd want to fly through anyways. It isn't the stories or the dialogue that make the book great, its the descriptions of everything, and seeing how someone from the Beat generation viewed the world. Especially someone who writes like Jack Kerouac does. If you're the kind of person who skims through descriptive paragraphs and focuses on interesting dialogue, the book is probably terribly boring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by <JANE> View Post
    I read On the Road recently and really didn't like it all that much. The characters were idiotic and unrelateable and the style was pretty dull save for some moments of eloquence which were a bit hit and miss. It wasn't awful in all fairness and when it worked it really did and I could see why people rave about it. Mainly, it seemed dull and a little pointless to me.
    this is pretty much my view on every product of beat culture, if you add "over-stylized" as a descriptor to its style.


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    Just finished Fitzgerald's translation of the Odyssey and about to start reading Death of a Salesman

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    I'm reading The Lodger Shakespeare by Charles Nicholl.
    Really good, Shakespeare had an interesting life.

    I want to read The Time Travelers Wife next, because I know if I watch the movie first, I'll never read the book haha

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    I loved Death of a Salesman. I would really like to see it on stage at some point.

    Now on to The Importance of Being Earnest and a few other plays by Wilde if I can keep myself interested long enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WellAdjusted View Post
    I'm reading The Lodger Shakespeare by Charles Nicholl.
    Really good, Shakespeare had an interesting life.

    I want to read The Time Travelers Wife next, because I know if I watch the movie first, I'll never read the book haha
    TTW = Weird. Fucking. Book.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jared View Post
    I loved Death of a Salesman. I would really like to see it on stage at some point.
    bored the SHIT out of me. i just did not get its point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MalReynolds View Post
    TTW = Weird. Fucking. Book.
    It's definitely weird, and I really dislike certain aspects of it, but it's decently written and I think the story is interesting. I am genuinely surprised it's been made into a movie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gwahir View Post
    bored the SHIT out of me. i just did not get its point.
    I really enjoyed the segments where Willy was mixing the past with the present. I don't have much to compare it to seeing as I haven't read many plays, so maybe at some point I'll change my mind.

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    I am 50 or so pages from finishing The Road.

    It's awesome. I've read 2 Cormac McCarthy novels and he never uses quotation marks or sentences longer than a couple of lines. It's an interesting change of pace from the Non-fiction I've been reading.

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    Quote Originally Posted by solecistic View Post
    It's definitely weird, and I really dislike certain aspects of it, but it's decently written and I think the story is interesting. I am genuinely surprised it's been made into a movie.
    The movie blew ass. It was one of the worst I had ever seen, and it's because I couldn't believe the romance that had been so... I dunno, believable in the book?

    But the story of the book was decent, but when I finished the book, I just didn't feel anything other than weirded out.

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    So I got my reading list for university. Far too many books I had no intention of reading ever. Going to start Mansfield Park later since I have it in a Jane Austen anthology and am a bit ill to go traipsing to the shops to buy new books. I'll probably order a few online anyway.

    Basically it seems to be a history of 'the novel' since Robinson Crusoe and focusing on female writers. Then there's a couple of autobiographies like Bill Bryson's The Life and Times of the Thunderbolt Kid which will at least be light hearted and easy to read quickly.

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    Well, I've a week to finish Polaris by Jack McDevitt. I'm not very far in yet, but it doesn't seem to sci-fi-ish at the moment, except for the whole spaceship gets obliterated by a neutron star aspect. It's about collecting all the artifacts from the remnants of the title ship.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MalReynolds View Post
    ...but when I finished the book, I just didn't feel anything other than weirded out.
    Yeah, that's exactly the way I'd say I felt. It was just like...okay, well. All right. What?

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    Mixed: An Anthology of Short Fiction on the Multiracial Experience

    I'm reading about how I'm oppressed and have identity issues due to my multi-ethinic background.


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    I'm gonna hit up barnes n noble and raed all the american books i was supposed to read in high school (catcher in the rye, of mice and men, the great gatsby, etc.)

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    Good for you.

    I started Mansfield Park. I hate Jane Austen, she was a terribly drab author.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Absolution View Post
    I'm gonna hit up barnes n noble and raed all the american books i was supposed to read in high school (catcher in the rye, of mice and men, the great gatsby, etc.)
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    Good for you.

    I started Mansfield Park. I hate Jane Austen, she was a terribly drab author.
    For some reason, I usually only enjoy modern fiction.

    I'm guessing it's because I'm functionally illiterate like most of other Americans.


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    So i finally finished the Fountainhead, just in time for the Simpson's to do a sketch of it, which was pretty random, but essentially spot on. God I hate Ayn Rand and her 8 page monologues that substitute a climax no one cared about in the first fucking place.

    So now I'm reading the Tipping Point and it's fairly interesting, but there's just something fishy about Gladwell that I can't quite put my finger on

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    Quote Originally Posted by coqauvin View Post
    So i finally finished the Fountainhead, just in time for the Simpson's to do a sketch of it, which was pretty random, but essentially spot on. God I hate Ayn Rand and her 8 page monologues that substitute a climax no one cared about in the first fucking place.

    So now I'm reading the Tipping Point and it's fairly interesting, but there's just something fishy about Gladwell that I can't quite put my finger on


    Might it have something to do with how he always looks and acts like he's on speed? (Please note that his eyeballs are usually bulging more than they are here.)


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    I read 20 pages or so of Girl With The Dragon Tattoo. I hate it already, but I might still read it.

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    well i am spending my time between the tipping point, which i'm having a hard time getting into, and Shogun by James Clavell, a historic fiction about an English/dutch pilot who crashes into Japan in 1600~ and deals with the culture shock and political intrigue involved with living there. It's a big book, weighing in at just over 1000 pages, but it's a pretty interesting story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hippopotamus View Post
    I read 20 pages or so of Girl With The Dragon Tattoo. I hate it already, but I might still read it.
    It doesn't ever really pick up. The most interesting stuff does come later, and it's incredibly brutal, but the writing style is so... journalistic. The mystery is actually pretty okay, the culprit kind of comes out of left field, but it's not bad. It took me a little while to get into it, but the payoff was decent.

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    I read Memoirs of a Young Rakehill by some creepy Victorian writer. It's just crude pseudo-erotica and wasn't worth reading whatsoever.

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    I'm going to try to read a collection of H.L. Mencken essays if I have time. If I don't have time at least it'll make me look smart having it in my bookshelf ok?
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    So I just finished the Tipping Point. It was actually pretty interesting, and I gleaned some good knowledge out of the book, but I so dislike the voice he writes in, and the fact that he's essentially producing bubblegum pop science for masses to consume and pretend like they can have intellectual conversations on how to make teens quit smoking, using terminology stolen from a Malcolm Gladwell book they 'just read and omg you have to read it!' There are principles he talks about that seem to crystalize certain floaty ideas that i'd had, but never really connected before, and there are applications of some other principles that will affect me beneficially on a wholly personal level, so for that i'm interested.

    Now, to devour Shogun

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    Finished up Polaris a few days ago and picked up Th1rte3n by Richard K. Morgan. Pretty good so far, as it deals genetically modified humans with a twist. Instead of being superhuman beasts, they are manipulated to bring out the primal urges that humans had approximately 20,000 years ago. The hunters we once were, I guess. Involves a lot of drug usage too, stuff that amps up our senses and all. Oh and guess what? It takes place in the future. Check, check, and check. It's a sci-fi novel, go figure :P

    Only about a quarter through it, but it's getting better every page turn.
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    I think my dad gave me a copy of that book, it's called 'Black Man' over here. The blurb made it sound like a bit of a blade runner rip off so i'm yet to read it. I won't be doing any time soon either seeing as I have my uni reading list to trawl through.

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    Finished The Road and Naked in Dangerous Places.

    Now onto Catch-22

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    The Graveyard Book by that fag British guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by piranhas View Post
    The Graveyard Book by that fag British guy.

    You mean Ill Postum's Book of Practical Graves by T.M. Oeleote?

    He was actually an Anglophile American.




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    Well no, he means The Graveyard book by that fag british guy

    And he was actually a fag british guy


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    Quote Originally Posted by sycld View Post
    I have no idea why I'm posting this since it isn't funny in the slightest.
    this hasn't stopped any of your other posts

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    Quote Originally Posted by coqauvin View Post
    this hasn't stopped any of your other posts
    my other posts entertained me; this one did not

    and you're a drug user.


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