Thread: The War on Child Porn: A witch hunt?

Originally Posted by UnreasonablyReasonable

You just said you could look it up, I really don't understand why you want me to regurgitate information you can find on your own. As far as being able to tell you things that are ridiculously easy to judge, I am not able to tell you what is required for something to be brown, but it is not at all a problem for me to tell what is brown, nor is it a problem for anyone who can see colors properly. Though you'd need someone who studied science and actually remembered what they learned to tell you what is the exact distinction between brown and any other color, as I'm not able to tell you. Yes it is possible for me to look it up, there's no reason for me to do so, since if you want to know then just look.

I said you could look up an explanation of the various processes involved in puberty; that doesn't mean you can look up anything that will tell you where in the course in those processes a person becomes an adult. That's what I'm asking you to tell me. Yes, we all know what happens during puberty--changes in the voice, development of pubic hair and other body hair, various changes in body shape and musculature, development of the genital organs, development of breasts in girls, and so on and so forth. But this process lasts several years--in fact, taking all development into account, it could be considered to last nearly 10 years. I'm asking you to tell where exactly in this process you would draw the line separating childhood from adulthood. What point in puberty would someone have to reach for you to consider them "sexually mature" vs. "sexually immature""?

It's utterly disingenuous for you to pretend that because the changes that occur during puberty are commonly known, you don't have to explain where your proposed system--considering people to be adults once they're "sexually mature"--would draw the line between childhood and adulthood.

Now stop skirting around the damn question and answer it: At what point during physical/sexual development would you consider a person to be mature enough to be a legal adult?

Originally Posted by Syme

Now stop skirting around the damn question and answer it: At what point during physical/sexual development would you consider a person to be mature enough to be a legal adult?

When they are responsible enough to endure the ramifications of adulthood.

But with people maturing at different paces, there is no clear age, so the cut off is 18.

There. Simple enough.

Originally Posted by Kal El

When they are responsible enough to endure the ramifications of adulthood.

But with people maturing at different paces, there is no clear age, so the cut off is 18.

There. Simple enough.

So I guess you don't really know what's going on in this discussion?

Originally Posted by Kal El

Yes I do. I just see no point in joining into an argument where my thoughts have already basically been stated by others. I've already stated my opinion on the previous page.

If you really want what should be considered sexually mature, anybody can be sexually mature at any given age between 15 and 20. That is why the age of 18 is decided for legally being an adult, if sexually mature was a driving point to decide what is a child, and what is an adult, we'd probably have a load of 16 and 17 year old women in the porn industry. If you're able to reproduce, then sexually you are mature. Emotionally mature? Not so much. Sexual maturity and emotional maturity happen at different times.

I don't "want to know what should be considered sexually mature" and I'm not saying that people should be legal adults once they're sexually mature. I'm arguing against that. I agree with you about drawing the line at 18. I'm trying to get UnreasonablyReasonable to explain his criteria for legal adulthood, since he's the one saying that it should be whenever someone is sexually mature. Why are you trying to explain to me why the line is drawn at 18? Why are you trying to explain to me why doesn't make sense to conflate adulthood with sexual maturity?

This is what I mean when I say it sounds like you don't know what this discussion is about.

Originally Posted by Syme

I don't "want to know what should be considered sexually mature" and I'm not saying that people should be legal adults once they're sexually mature. I'm arguing against that. I agree with you about drawing the line at 18. I'm trying to get UnreasonablyReasonable to explain his criteria for legal adulthood, since he's the one saying that it should be whenever someone is sexually mature. Why are you trying to explain to me why the line is drawn at 18? Why are you trying to explain to me why doesn't make sense to conflate adulthood with sexual maturity?

This is what I mean when I say it sounds like you don't know what this discussion is about.

I wasn't attacking your points Syme, I should have not quoted you, I was just basically restating facts in this thread so UR would wake up and smell the roses. If a 10 year old can't even handle the thought of handling a girlfriend, I do not believe a 10 year old is sexually mature. I don't know why UR even tried using a 10 year old as a subject of his argument. And I was just raising another question that this entire subject has made me ponder: what is maturity? Obviously I could go look it up in a dictionary, but I don't think I believe anybody is ever "mature."

Originally Posted by Kal El

I wasn't attacking your points Syme, I should have not quoted you, I was just basically restating facts in this thread so UR would wake up and smell the roses. If a 10 year old can't even handle the thought of handling a girlfriend, I do not believe a 10 year old is sexually mature. I don't know why UR even tried using a 10 year old as a subject of his argument. And I was just raising another question that this entire subject has made me ponder: what is maturity? Obviously I could go look it up in a dictionary, but I don't think I believe anybody is ever "mature."

Oh.. in that case, I apologize. I thought you were trying to convince me of the same thing that I was saying to UR.

Originally Posted by Kal El

I wasn't attacking your points Syme, I should have not quoted you, I was just basically restating facts in this thread so UR would wake up and smell the roses. If a 10 year old can't even handle the thought of handling a girlfriend, I do not believe a 10 year old is sexually mature. I don't know why UR even tried using a 10 year old as a subject of his argument. And I was just raising another question that this entire subject has made me ponder: what is maturity? Obviously I could go look it up in a dictionary, but I don't think I believe anybody is ever "mature."

I didn't bring a 10 year old into the subject of my argument. All I said was that people in that have double digit ages are capable of handling concepts, nothing more. I didn't argue and say they should be allowed to do something that they aren't able to. I'm just saying that young people are much smarter than they get credit for.

Also Syme I already agreed with you, so I don't understand why you're trying to get me to explain something that's now irrelevant? Either way sexual maturity is the age at which one can reproduce, looked it up for you.