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    Quote Originally Posted by Shinysides View Post
    Congrats on reading one book on the subject as it's clear that's all you did.
    "One book" includes A Coming of Age: Albania under Enver Hoxha, Affirmative Action Empire, Tribal Nation: The Making of Soviet Turkmenistan, two books on Ethiopia, a book on Somalia, and various reads from various sources on various other countries, not to mention online reads from sites like Alliance ML (which used to put pamphlets and small books online before implosion). Ironically I've never read a book specifically related to Soviet imperialism nor have I found one. (Unless Enver Hoxha and Mao's speeches count) I'm sure if I had books like The Soviet Union in the Horn of Africa, To Moscow, Not Mecca: The Soviet Campaign Against Islam in Central Asia, 1917-1941, etc. then this would be even longer, but they cost far too much (or in the case of the RCPUSA pamphlet see

    And the original topic was on a forum of likeminded individuals, so yes it was designed to educate those who were new.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barack Dalai Lama View Post
    "One book" includes A Coming of Age: Albania under Enver Hoxha, Affirmative Action Empire, Tribal Nation: The Making of Soviet Turkmenistan, two books on Ethiopia, a book on Somalia, and various reads from various sources on various other countries, not to mention online reads from sites like Alliance ML (which used to put pamphlets and small books online before implosion). Ironically I've never read a book specifically related to Soviet imperialism nor have I found one. (Unless Enver Hoxha and Mao's speeches count)
    Either way, I really don't care how much you've read. Maybe I was wrong about that. But feel free to respond to the rest of my post, as I feel it was pretty much dead on.

    Edit: And that's just fine on whatever other website you posted it on. But here, your 20 pages of deadpan information means nothing. AI is here to discuss pretty much anything intellectually. That doesn't change the fact that the only reason you made this thread was to try and display your knowledge rather than educate or spark some sort of discussion, as I said earlier. AI is about debate, not educating the other posters.
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    No, they are published authors with great knowledge on a specific subject who are dispersing that greater knowledge to others in the form of written word.
    Considering that this is titled "an introduction" and most introduction books (such as Mali: A Search for Direction that I've read recently via Questia) are over 100 pages (the Malian book is 170) yet my relatively simple work is less than 20 and could have been far bigger complete with graphs, timelines and citations, I'd say that my goal (to educate) was met.

    You are just trying to toot your own horn and show everyone on CD exactly how much you know about Soviet Social-Imerialism, which I actually don't doubt that you do. In fact I'm sure you have at least some grasp on the concept, undoubtedly more so than I.
    Actually the reason I made this thread was over a discussion with coqauvin in Flames over making an AI thread. I decided that one on Stalin would be a bit too obvious from me, so I made this one instead.

    However, your essay is not written to educate, or spark discussion, it is to show exactly how much you know on the subject.
    Which is bullshit considering I spread it around on AIM with likeminded individuals who found it useful in debates with others, etc.

    And that is why you cant summarize it for anyone, you aren't willing to break it down into something simple. You want everyone to read the whole damn thing and then praise you for writing it.
    Okay, please tell me how I could, say, simplify Part X (Cuba). This is honestly the best I could do:
    The Soviets wanted sugar production to be the focus of Cuba (as per Khrushchev's specialization policy within the Warsaw Pact), and Castro agreed.

    Throughout the 1970's and 80's the Cubans continued to move ever closer to the Soviets. They participated in pro-Soviet interventions abroad and iin 1976 "[a] new constitution largely modeled on that of the Soviet Union was approved in a referendum in 1976." Cuban dependence on the Soviet Union was so great that in a 1992 interview Castro stated that "Our basic problems are the economic blockade and the disappearance of the socialist camp. Some 85 percent of our trade was with those countries.. The value of our sugar in fact, balanced the cost of the petroleum we got from the USSR... That trade has almost disappeared with the disappearance of the socialist countries. We had to turn to new markets. We have lost imports, credit, and technology, and sought fuel, raw materials, and drugs elsewhere."
    Is it shorter? Yes, but I omitted quite a bit.

    AI is about debate, not educating the other posters.
    I expected some reactions, specifically the part about Afghanistan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barack Dalai Lama View Post
    Considering that this is titled "an introduction" and most introduction books (such as Mali: A Search for Direction that I've read recently via Questia) are over 100 pages (the Malian book is 170) yet my relatively simple work is less than 20 and could have been far bigger complete with graphs, timelines and citations, I'd say that my goal (to educate) was met.

    Actually the reason I made this thread was over a discussion with coqauvin in Flames over making an AI thread. I decided that one on Stalin would be a bit too obvious from me, so I made this one instead.

    Which is bullshit considering I spread it around on AIM with likeminded individuals who found it useful in debates with others, etc.

    Okay, please tell me how I could, say, simplify Part X (Cuba). This is honestly the best I could do:
    Is it shorter? Yes, but I omitted quite a bit.

    I expected some reactions, specifically the part about Afghanistan.
    Okay, I understand a little bit more where you are coming from now, but I still disagree on some points.

    As far as this being an introduction, in my mind that makes it worse. Not to be rude, but you sren't writing a book (unless you are), and even if you were, unless you've done far more study on the subject than it appears, you are in no way qualified to write a book on the subject.

    Keep in mind that most of us reading your post do not have the same interest in this that you do, and we don't need all of this information. Better to give us too little information and leave us wanting more and discussing than give too much and discourage posters from even reading your article.

    As far as reactions, I know that I for one have neither the time, nor the motivation to sit down and read this. I wouldn't have minded debating it had I been given a much smaller portion of text, but the amount posted put me off before I even knew what the subject was. If I wanted to read a book, I'd read a book. AI is about discussion, and your excessively long post discourages people from even reading, much less responding.

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    As far as this being an introduction, in my mind that makes it worse. Not to be rude, but you sren't writing a book (unless you are), and even if you were, unless you've done far more study on the subject than it appears, you are in no way qualified to write a book on the subject.
    Which is why I didn't intend to write a book on said subject.

    Keep in mind that most of us reading your post do not have the same interest in this that you do, and we don't need all of this information. Better to give us too little information and leave us wanting more and discussing than give too much and discourage posters from even reading your article.
    Point taken.

    As far as reactions, I know that I for one have neither the time, nor the motivation to sit down and read this. I wouldn't have minded debating it had I been given a much smaller portion of text, but the amount posted put me off before I even knew what the subject was. If I wanted to read a book, I'd read a book. AI is about discussion, and your excessively long post discourages people from even reading, much less responding.
    Very well then.

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    MrDie, the more I think back over history, the more a fucking idiot you really prove yourself to me.

    For starters "Soviet Social Imperialism" is an oxymoron phrase usage. The more I think about, the more I realize that there have been nothing but Imperial entities in history with "social" intentions.

    Rome, Holy Roman Empire, Feudal Europe, The colonial empires of France and Spain in the age of discovery and the Victorian era, Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy, not to mention the Soviet Union. Just give it up already. I could write a novel on all sorts of comparisons that prove my point, but I am not. Just give it up already, you are not proving anything by trying to push your agenda on people who frankly don't give a damn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kal El View Post
    For starters "Soviet Social Imperialism" is an oxymoron phrase usage. The more I think about, the more I realize that there have been nothing but Imperial entities in history with "social" intentions.
    Except socialism is inherently against imperialism whereas the Soviets claimed to be 'defending' socialism or 'bringing the gains of the October Revolution' to other countries. It is indeed an oxymoron (and the "bringing gains of x" was indeed used by imperial powers in the past), which is why Hoxhaists and Maoists were against it. Congratulations on failing to read.
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