Thread: Guns on school campuses?

Originally Posted by Anonymous D

I was going to say pretty much the same thing syme said. You have to be 21 to buy and carry and gun, and open carry freaks people out.

If I knew that concealed carry was allowed on campus, I would be freaked out by everyone, because anyone could be packing a glock under their jacket. Not to mention that a school shooter would not attack if he saw armed people walking around. He might take his chances if all guns were concealed.

Next, concealed carry is for protection from government. It is used to prevent widespread arrests of armed citizens. If you think such a theory is ridiculous, then you should not support gun rights at all, because gun rights are meant to keep some power with the people, and to prevent total government control.

Of course when it comes to what the school shooter thinks about threats, we are speculating, so I think we tie on that part of the debate. I wonder what a criminal expert would say?

Originally Posted by Kittens!

Next, concealed carry is for protection from government. It is used to prevent widespread arrests of armed citizens. If you think such a theory is ridiculous, then you should not support gun rights at all, because gun rights are meant to keep some power with the people, and to prevent total government control.

Hhahahahaha. This isn't the 18th century. Oh dear, it is actually rather scary to hear people say stuff like this.

Originally Posted by Kittens!

If I knew that concealed carry was allowed on campus, I would be freaked out by everyone, because anyone could be packing a glock under their jacket. Not to mention that a school shooter would not attack if he saw armed people walking around. He might take his chances if all guns were concealed.

So you're saying that you would be "freaked out by everyone" if you knew you were in a place where concealed carry was allowed. Does this mean that you are "freaked out by everyone" anytime you go to a grocery store, library, coffee shop, movie theater, or basically anywhere EXCEPT a government building, school, or bar? Because under the laws of most states, concealed carry is already allowed in all of those places; almost anywhere you go, anyone you see could be packing a glock under their jacket. I guess you are just freaked out all the time?

Even if you are a total nutbar and get freaked out anytime someone around you might have a concealed weapon (e.g., almost always), this is not representative of how most people respond to the issue. Most people living in shall-issue states somehow manage not to spend their days constantly freaked out by the fact that someone nearby might be packing; yet if you walk into the supermarket with a gun openly carried on your hip, even in a fairly conservative shall-issue state, I guarantee you that some dumb soccer-mom WILL freak out and call the cops. That kind of hassle will follow you everywhere you go if you try to open carry. It would certainly occur if people tried to open carry on college campuses. That's why open carry is widely recognized as a retarded idea by most gun owners, and concealed carry is the way to go.

Originally Posted by Kittens

Next, concealed carry is for protection from government. It is used to prevent widespread arrests of armed citizens. If you think such a theory is ridiculous, then you should not support gun rights at all, because gun rights are meant to keep some power with the people, and to prevent total government control.

I do think such a theory is ridiculous. What is your basis for making this argument? Certainly such goals don't motivate most CCW holders. They also definitely did not inform the lawmaking processes that led to the current widespread state of shall-issue CCW regimes. What are you basing this on? Who says? If concealed carry is used to prevent "widespread arrest of armed citizens", then why don't the states that still don't allow CCW have a problem with such widespread arrests? Are you claiming that before the spread of shall-issue CCW regimes, there was a big problem with such arrests, but that the growth in CCW availability curtailed this problem? Explain your argument here, because frankly, it seems pretty absurd and baseless on it's face. CCW is for protection from crooks, not the government.

Originally Posted by Kittens

Of course when it comes to what the school shooter thinks about threats, we are speculating, so I think we tie on that part of the debate. I wonder what a criminal expert would say?

What we do know is that self-defense experts widely agree that concealed carry is much, much better idea than open carry, for a variety of reasons. So I think it's safe to say that allowing CCW on campus is a much, much better idea than allowing open carry only.

Originally Posted by sycld

i think this person thinks that all gun rights advocates are members of anti-government militant groups holed up in the rocky mountains, as this what kittens! is saying is pretty much in line with their ideology.

of course, the vast majority of gun rights advocates are not members of anti-govnerment militant groups holded up in the rocky mountaints...

Right, but even so, he's talking specifically about concealed carry of a handgun, not about gun rights in general. So what he's saying is basically absurd, and reveals that he has absolutely no idea what he's talking about and knows nothing about CC.