Thread: Guns on school campuses?

Pretty big fan of the LCP, I used to have a P3AT but replaced it fairly recently because the LCP's fit/finish and general quality is a bit higher. It's basically a somewhat nicer P3AT. The only thing to bear in mind is that there was a recall to fix a firing-when-dropped issue, so if you look for one, make sure it's a post-recall model.

I'd actually love to pick up an LCR too, they're really appealing to me.

Ah, but in a Holdster or other wallet-type holster in your back pocket, it's really incredibly comfy/easy to carry. I think that with good hollowpoints you can be confident in it.

You'll probably be looking at 90-100 grain bullets at around 1000 fps, giving about 200 ft.-lbs. ME. Definitely not as much as 9x19mm but it's generally agreed to be sufficient for self-defense (albeit about the smallest round that is). And it is definitely a "9mm short"; here in the states we call it .380, but the Europeans call it 9mm Corto or 9mm Kurz, both of which literally mean "9mm Short".

EDIT: Whoa we're way off topic in AI now, this stuff belongs in Great Outdoors. Let's start a thread there if we want to talk anymore about CCW calibers and such.

Originally Posted by John Galt

Not always. If someone's in your house illegally, you've brandished your firearm, and they still charge you... well that's what we "on the job" call an "articulable fact" that this individual intends to do you harm, and is intent enough on doing it that he's charging someone threatening to respond with gunfire.

In that situation, whether he's armed or not, I'd dump a mag.

ETA: Of course, as a law enforcement officer, I have no duty to retreat. If you're not in a Castle Doctrine state, your mileage may vary.

I was just stirring the pot a little. Anyone charging a person with a weapon trained on them deserves to be shot as they obviously intend to inflict as much damage on you as they can. Even if they are unarmed a couple seconds and some luck/skill is all they need to turn the tables. The other SAW gunner in my squad lit up an old man in Iraq. He was armed with an AK, but his odds were about the same as an unarmed burglar facing an armed citizen. After all, he had two automatic weapons pointed at him, not to mention a few M4s and M203s. Come to find out he had panicked and was not trying to harm us. Oh well.

While I am not a LEO, living in a very pro-military area with more than its share of problems (especially meth), I doubt I would have too much to worry about in any case. I have my own ROE, refined through years in cities and influenced by previous life or death situations overseas. Also, one of the few upsides to being a Recruiter is that I meet many law enforcement and legal professionals and local politicians. Unfortunately as I don't recruit in my parish I have not made many contacts in the immediate area. A short trip to Livingston one day will solve that. I make a point to do what I can for everyone from the mayor to the police chief to the Sheriff, am a member of the Chamber of Commerce and otherwise strive to please everyone I meet. That is not only part of my job, but also ensures that should a need arise I've got people who can attest to my integrity, honesty and being an outstanding member of the community. That, coupled with eight years of honorable military service and a clean background, should aid me so long as I don't screw the pooch.

Originally Posted by Anonymous D

We dont have the duty to retreat law in Louisiana. We have the "stand your ground" law here.

Good to know that.

Originally Posted by fm2176

The other SAW gunner in my squad lit up an old man in Iraq. He was armed with an AK, but his odds were about the same as an unarmed burglar facing an armed citizen. After all, he had two automatic weapons pointed at him, not to mention a few M4s and M203s. Come to find out he had panicked and was not trying to harm us. Oh well.

Honestly, this shit is disturbing.

Not that it happens under those circumstances; it was probably unavoidable. And not even that you don't seem particularly upset by it. Just the mere existence of that whole fucked up situation is wrong.

Originally Posted by MrShrike

Honestly, this shit is disturbing.

Not that it happens under those circumstances; it was probably unavoidable. And not even that you don't seem particularly upset by it. Just the mere existence of that whole fucked up situation is wrong.

He lived, the medic patched him up.

Personally, I think that guns shouldn't be allowed on school campuses, even by school teachers. It doesn't make sense. At a school near me, this happened: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...BAAT19CUPM.DTL
No guns or anything were involved; just a tackle.

If guns were allowed on college campuses by all the students, then even more fights would arise, because of the number of guns on campus; simple rivalries and such would turn violent. Just my 2 cents.

Originally Posted by siXtheleMent

If guns were allowed on college campuses by all the students, then even more fights would arise, because of the number of guns on campus; simple rivalries and such would turn violent. Just my 2 cents.

Before you attempt to offer commentary on what would happen if CCW was allowed on college campuses, you should understand how CCW works and who is allowed to do it. Furthermore, if CCW causes simple rivalries to turn violent, why don't we see this happening anywhere that CCW is currently allowed? You do know that people in most states are already allowed to carry almost everywhere except government buildings and schools, right? So why aren't they already gunning each other down over these petty fights, and why do you feel that they would begin to do so if carry rights were extended to college campuses? Do you think that being on a college campus somehow makes an otherwise law-abiding person more likely to kill over a small dispute?