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    You can get a liver transplant but drug induced psychosis cant really be cured
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    Quote Originally Posted by sailor jack View Post
    You can get a liver transplant but drug induced psychosis cant really be cured
    The odds of getting this are slim. Any study looking at the relationship between weed and mental illness always say the same, usually reported as a small footnote - it is rare, indeed in most cases only those with genetic pre dispositions are really at risk, if they smoke lots over a prolonged period of time.

    Indeed as coqauvin points out, the ingredient which causes the damage isn't abundant enough in the actual drug, this is the same with other drugs and I do believe that many studies looking at these compounds often use them in concentrated doses, isolated from the acual product you buy off the street (i.e., you don't smoke some weed, but instead take a concentrated dosage of the part of the drug they suspect can cause problems), I know they do this with ecstacy and I am pretty sure it is the same with weed.

    Also, I am assuming by this comment that you have never met a full blown alcoholic, whilst they might not have psychosis, they clearly are not fully mentally able.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sailor jack View Post
    You can get a liver transplant but drug induced psychosis cant really be cured
    Are you fucking kidding me? Are you talking about the supposed link between cannabis use and Schizophrenia? Because if you are then read this.

    article
    http://www.cannabisculture.com/v2/co...mental-illness

    abstract
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19560900
    Last edited by Killuminati; 09-17-2009 at 07:39 PM.

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    For the sake of clarity and common understanding, I'm copy/pasting the DSM IV TR's entry on Cannabis here.

    Cannabis-Related Disorders


    Cannabis Use Disorders

    304.30 Cannabis Dependence (see p. 236)
    305.20 Cannabis Abuse (see p. 236)

    Cannabis-Induced Disorders

    292.89 Cannabis Intoxication (see p. 237) Specify if: With Perceptual

    Disturbances

    292.81 Cannabis Intoxication Delirium (see p. 143)
    292.]] Cannabis-Induced Psychotic Disorder, With Delusions (see p. 338)
    Specify if: With Onset During Intoxication
    292_11 Cannabis·lnduced Psychotic Disorder, With Hallucinations
    (see p. 338) Specify if: With Onset During Intoxication
    292.89 Cannabis-Induced Anxiety Disorder (see p. 479)
    Specify if: With Onset During Intoxication
    292.9 Cannabis-Related Disorder Not Otherwise Specified (sec p. 241)

    Cannabis Use Disorders

    304.30 Cannabis Dependence


    305.20 Cannabis Abuse


    Cannabis-Induced Disorders

    292.89 Cannabis Intoxication


    Diagnostic criteria for 292.89 Cannabis Intoxication


    Other Cannabis-Induced Disorders


    Additional Information on Cannabis-Related Disorders

    Associated Features and Disorders


    Associated laboratory findings.


    Associated physical examination findings and general medical conditions.



    Specific Culture, Age, and Gender Features


    Prevalence


    Course


    Differential Diagnosis


    292.9 Cannabis-Related Disorder

    Not Otherwise Specified

    The Cannabis-Related Disorder Not Otherwise Specified category is for disorders associated with the use of cannabis that are not dassifiable as Cannabis Dependence, Cannabis Abuse, Cannabis Intoxication, Cannabis Intoxication Delirium, Cannabis Induced Psychotic Disorder, or Cannabis-Induced Anxiety Disorder.
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    Quote Originally Posted by coqauvin View Post
    For the sake of clarity and common understanding, I'm copy/pasting the DSM IV TR's entry on Cannabis here.
    This really only provides an insight as to what the high is actually like, along with some of the myths of what getting high will do to you. It's been proven that one can not be physically dependent on marijuana. Also, see Kulluminiti's post.

    And just for kicks:
    Cannabis Stimulates brain cell growth

    Cannibis can help get rid of tumors
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    Quote Originally Posted by TwoStoopid View Post
    This really only provides an insight as to what the high is actually like, along with some of the myths of what getting high will do to you. It's been proven that one can not be physically dependent on marijuana. Also, see Kulluminiti's post.

    And just for kicks:
    Cannabis Stimulates brain cell growth

    Cannibis can help get rid of tumors
    I have my doubts that it's filled with myths - this is the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders. Admittedly, it's dated by about 9 years, but the next revision is supposed to be available sometime in 2012. This is, essentially, an encyclopedia entry on cannabis and it's use that doctors around the world rely on.

    In all honesty, I remembered reading a section about consumption levels of thc that can induce a psychotic state, but I couldn't seem to find it in this entry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TwoStoopid View Post
    This really only provides an insight as to what the high is actually like, along with some of the myths of what getting high will do to you. It's been proven that one can not be physically dependent on marijuana.
    Uhh, anything that's in the DSMMD is pretty well supported by a lot of hard medical fact and research. As coq says, it's basically an encyclopedia for doctors and medical scientists. This doesn't mean everything in there is automatically guaranteed to be totally correct in every detail (as coq also points out, it's several years old at the moment), but it's not "myths". That stuff about cannabis dependence isn't just made up; it's taken directly from observation of patients, so if it's in there, then there are people who are dependent upon cannabis. This doesn't mean the dependence is physical--you are right, becoming physically dependent on cannabis in the same way that one might be physical dependent on nicotine or opioids is not possible. Nevertheless cannabis dependency does exist and is possible. Not all substance dependence is physical dependence. You will note that the section on cannabis dependence doesn't state that it's a physical dependence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coqauvin View Post
    For the sake of clarity and common understanding, I'm copy/pasting the DSM IV TR's entry on Cannabis here.
    Please provide a link...I searched the site and haven't found this. I am writing an article about marijuana for my psychology class and this would be a very helpful resource. Thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by masterpilot View Post
    Please provide a link...I searched the site and haven't found this. I am writing an article about marijuana for my psychology class and this would be a very helpful resource. Thank you.
    I think because of the demand for this, the only online way you'll find it is a pay-to-read section on various websites. psychiatryonline.com has uploaded the entire book, but, like I said, you'll need to register with them and pay to be able to read it. I'm sure you could find a torrent for it somewhere if you look hard enough.

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