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    Quote Originally Posted by jack burden View Post
    I don't know the level of "Zionist influence," but the view that Israel can do no wrong has become the default one in the American psyche.
    You mean in the American right. Certainly not the left.

    If you want to talk about "the American psyche" (as if there were such a thing in your increasingly polarised country), then maybe it would be more accurate to say that it has become the default position to view Israel as the troubled good guys surrounded by turban-wearing bad guys. That's a far cry from "can do no wrong".

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    Quote Originally Posted by gwahir View Post
    You mean in the American right. Certainly not the left.

    If you want to talk about "the American psyche" (as if there were such a thing in your increasingly polarised country), then maybe it would be more accurate to say that it has become the default position to view Israel as the troubled good guys surrounded by turban-wearing bad guys. That's a far cry from "can do no wrong".
    Even among many on the left it is becoming the default view. They feel like not supporting Israel and Zionism will discredit them.
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    Americans on the left--i.e. with liberal political beliefs--are much more likely to be critical of Israeli behavior than Americans on the right. Democrats in Congress are a different story, but gwahir is certainly right about Americans on the left.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jack burden View Post
    Even among many on the left it is becoming the default view. They feel like not supporting Israel and Zionism will discredit them.
    Is this really true? It's worrying if it is, but I'll need more than just you saying it's the case to believe it. The more critical America (especially a favourable American government, like Obama's) is of Israel, the more likely they are to start acting responsibly and decently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gwahir View Post
    Is this really true? It's worrying if it is, but I'll need more than just you saying it's the case to believe it. The more critical America (especially a favourable American government, like Obama's) is of Israel, the more likely they are to start acting responsibly and decently.

    Here is more than just him saying it. This is a link to Gallup polls conducted on Americans from 1967 all the way to 2009. Gallup Poll results of the most consistently asked question regarding American public attitudes toward the Middle East: “In the Middle East situation, are your sympathies more with Israel or with the Arab nations?” (Note that from 1993-2009 the question was asked about Palestinian Arabs, not Arab nations). It's a shame the Palestinians pay so dearly for not being organized/wealthy/well-connected/unified enough to set up a comparable lobby of their own. It's also a shame that this is what they'd need to do in order to be treated fairly.

    If it weren't for America's middle east policy, I'd be our most patriotic citizen. Instead, I find myself hating my country. I suppose I need to realize it is the lobby/congressmen, not the people, and do something about it.

    EDIT: Here's some more saddening Gallup poll results: http://www.gallup.com/poll/1639/Middle-East.aspx
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