Thread: If You Were President..

Originally Posted by Atmosfear

Insulin isn't a drug, for one, it's a naturally-occurring compound that we've learned to synthesize. Either way, the cure for diabetes is a transplant of a kidney and/or pancreas.

Furthermore, Insulin was identified at the end of the 19th century and developed into a treatment in the 1920s. Canada didn't even begin to socialize medicine until after World War 2, and even then it wasn't all of the provinces until the 1960s.

Furthermore, Eli Lilly, an American company developed in the 1970s the method to produce synthetic insulin which you currently enjoy today.

Do you have any idea what you're talking about? The only way you are even able to afford Insulin (with or without insurance) is because there was a viable market for it and an American company sought to make a profit on it.

Sorry but synthesized insulin would count as a drug. I, unlike you I'm sure, have some background in this. A drug is -any- substance that alters physiology in any way that doesn't provide nutrition (ie. food, because it does alter physiology but we can't consider food as drugs for other reasons).

Any anyone who thinks that pharmaceutical companies are interested in curing are extremely ignorant. It is MUCH more profitable to prolong someone's life with the use of drugs without curing than to effectively cure disease.

Capitalism will never allow for serious advancements that benefit the WHOLE rather than the INDIVIDUAL. Individualistic ideologies are flawed when taken into the context of GLOBAL advancement (see how individual and global are not compatible?)

You cannot attempt to further your private goals (usually power/money) to advance humanity (requires selflesness). It is a logical contradiction in itself. Some people need to go back to their Plato/Aristotle.


And on your whole "name one country who's economy thrived without capitalism" is flawed, also. That's like asking you to prove God's existence. Absence of proof is NOT proof of the contrary. Just because we have not discovered a better system does not infer that a better system is not possible. Socialism is perfect on paper but is not practical, capitalism is good for short-sighted fools who just want power. There is a happy medium that we have not applied yet. My ideal world would probably rest on a resource-based economy in which ALL are equal and ALL have the EQUAL chance to do whatever they please and effectively eliminating the need for money and eliminating work that absolutely no one would want to do (through technological advancement). In my opinion capitalism should be a means to THIS end. /rant off about capitalism

Originally Posted by Atmosfear

Insulin isn't a drug, for one, it's a naturally-occurring compound that we've learned to synthesize. Either way, the cure for diabetes is a transplant of a kidney and/or pancreas.

Man.

If I transplanted a kidney and that cured my shit, it'd be easy as hell huh? and wouldn't cost so much. So just because Opium is a naturally occurring chemical it is not classified as a drug? I mean by that logic, the entire Opiate spectrum is not a drug in any way shape or form.

Islet Cells, are just that Cells, not a pancreas/kidney transplant(as it is pretty hard to transplant le pancreas), then in order for the cells to not reject you must take immunosupressent(wow i know that's misspelled), for a long time, if not life. 2000 was when this was first brought about, in Canada, and is now coming down to the US, mostly in experimental procedures.

So No, the cure does not come from a transplant of an organ, but cells from, and then you need to take drugs one way or another.

But either way, it was a UHC country that figured this out, and not the US, what was the last thing we cured aside from Polio and all those MMR shots we're still taking to fight that shit?

Also Lily just marketed some of the first Human Insulin types, Dr. Banting, from Toronto(where is that?) Discovered Insulin in the 1920's.

http://www.discoveryofinsulin.com/Home.htm