Thread: I'm doing a triathalon tonight

I hate babar.

Lol, I knew that was coming.

Babar, I am just saying you should try heroin before you knock it, and that only happens if you become a junkie and shoot up all the time. Most people I know just shoot up once in a while. I'm not telling you to become a junkie.

Originally Posted by coqauvin

Babar, I am just saying you should try heroin before you knock it, and that only happens if you become a junkie and shoot up all the time. Most people I know just shoot up once in a while. I'm not telling you to become a junkie.

Well I don't know anyone that does heroin, besides this one guy who got kicked outta school because he was addicted to it.

So I see all these reports about it not causing cancer. That doesn’t mean that it’s good for you ignoramuses. It still causes emphysema and other lovely things. Potheads are about as funny sometimes as black history month.

Originally Posted by Sir Bifford

So I see all these reports about it not causing cancer. That doesn’t mean that it’s good for you ignoramuses. It still causes emphysema and other lovely things. Potheads are about as funny sometimes as black history month.

http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabi...is_myth4.shtml

"Frequent marijuana smokers experience adverse respiratory symptoms from smoking, including chronic cough, chronic phlegm, and wheezing. However, the only prospective clinical study shows no increased risk of crippling pulmonary disease (chronic bronchitis and emphysema)."

Where do you get your information from or do you just assume things. Also no one said it was good for you to smoke it. That does not mean however that marijuana is not good for you because ingesting it in other ways can be extremely beneficial.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20052489/

Originally Posted by Sir Bifford

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20052489/

click the link before posting it

Also if you honestly believe an article that says a joint is as bad as 5 cigarettes you don't deserve to have an opinion on marijuana.

Christ you potheads are picky.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/topNew...73105820070731

Originally Posted by Killuminati

Also if you honestly believe an article that says a joint is as bad as 5 cigarettes you don't deserve to have an opinion on marijuana.

This would be better if you did an 8-ball of blow and fucked bitches

I'm sorry. I was wrong. It's good for your lungs. Smoke more.

That article is inaccurate because you don't usually smoke 1 gram of weed (average size of a cigarette) in a joint to yourself opposed to a cigarette where you smoke it all to yourself.

Originally Posted by babar

That article is inaccurate because you don't usually smoke 1 gram of weed (average size of a cigarette) in a joint to yourself opposed to a cigarette where you smoke it all to yourself.

you see i know people who smoke more than a gram to themselves. if you go through, say, even a quarter ounce in a day, it's just as bad if you smoke it all in little pinners or if you roll up seven joints with it.

Originally Posted by coqauvin

you see i know people who smoke more than a gram to themselves. if you go through, say, even a quarter ounce in a day, it's just as bad if you smoke it all in little pinners or if you roll up seven joints with it.

That's not even the reason this study was fucked. Smoke as much as you want you aren't getting cancer or emphysema.

Okay fine, here is more scientific data.

http://abovetheignorance.org

Originally Posted by babar

http://abovetheignorance.org

That is every bit as much propaganda as the government sites. Some fact, mostly rosy colored glasses.

FYI I don't mind people smoking pot, I just find most post smokers annoying idiots.

Originally Posted by Sir Bifford

FYI I don't mind people smoking pot, I just find most post smokers annoying idiots.

How do I smoke post?

Originally Posted by babar

http://abovetheignorance.org

I don't see the need for this website, weed isn't that magnificent.

biff pretty much already said it

both kal el and babar just linked to propaganda sites. I'm sure there is valuable information in there, but the fact that it's there is useless when you realize that you have to wade through a ton of bullshit to find it.

link me to a neutral, third-party site that isn't a news article and maybe i'll believe your shit.

http://drugsandbooze.com

Lol.

Originally Posted by coqauvin

biff pretty much already said it

both kal el and babar just linked to propaganda sites. I'm sure there is valuable information in there, but the fact that it's there is useless when you realize that you have to wade through a ton of bullshit to find it.

link me to a neutral, third-party site that isn't a news article and maybe i'll believe your shit.

What about the list of sites I posted.

Ok, the vast majority of your articles linked are not good sources of information. When we are talking about events, then newspapers and journals are an acceptable source to use, but the tendency for the media to sensationalize the most trivial scientific discovery renders them a bad source, because then the actual discovery and report itself are filtered again with the bias in mind to exagerrate portions that the author believes will attract moer readers. Science journals may be bland, but they are your only real reliable source for studies on this matter.

In the area about lung cancer, the only source you used that was valid was WebMD, but a search on the first two pages of WebMD for marijuana yielded:

mj and infertility - http://www.webmd.com/infertility-and...acco-marijuana

Originally Posted by webmd

Ammonia levels were up to 20 times higher in marijuana smoke than in tobacco smoke. Levels of hydrogen cyanide and nitrogen-related chemicals were three to five times higher in marijuana smoke than in tobacco smoke.

and keep in mind this is from a study done in 2007, not 2000 like the article you quoted in your post. Source

And that Marijuana usage shrinks the brain. http://www.webmd.com/brain/news/2008...rink-the-brain 2008


For the brain section, you listed:

Marijuana might cause new cell growth in the brain
http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn8155

But in reading this article, it's found that what started the cell development in rats was a sythentic combound in the cannabinoid family. When the experiment was repeated using a natural THC extract, no new cell growth was discovered.

High Times for Brain Growth: Marijuana-like drug multiplies neurons
http://www.sciencenews.org/articles/20051015/fob7.asp

This is exactly the same as the last article i mentioned. Did you even read these before posting them?

Heavy Marijuana Use Doesn’t Damage Brain
http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/n...t-damage-brain

this article was written in 2003, and shows no label of being reviewed. The article I linked to about brain shrinkage was released in 2008 and has been peer reviewed.

http://www.harmreductionjournal.com/...1/17/lIDABD3EJ

This was probably the best source you used in all your links. The thing to keep in mind, though, is that they used a really limited about of test subjects (ten and ten controls), and the test relied on subject honesty. The data itself is not conclusive, although it indicates a direction further studies should go down. In the journals own words:

Originally Posted by harm reduction journal

These data are preliminary and need replication with larger numbers of subjects, although they do have implications for refuting the hypothesis that cannabis alone can cause a psychiatric disturbance such as schizophrenia by directly producing brain pathology.

Strictly speaking, in adolescents there is little evidence one way or the other that weed will distort their brain, but there are established links between marijuana and schizophrenia and psychosis, where weed is not strictly the cause, but tends to exacerbate symptoms.

Originally Posted by you

“Smoking marijuana does not have a long-term effect on intelligence. Only the heavy current users had experienced a decline in their IQ scores over the 10-year period - about four points, But people who had once smoked heavily and then given up were right back up to normal. Light users, former users and abstainers all saw their IQ scores climb between two and six points.”
http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn2140

keep in mind that the IQ gains could easily be making up for lost ground, and your implication that marijuana allowed for the IQ gain is juvenile and false. There are many reasons IQs could rise, and smoking pot is one of the least likely

And the very next line after your quote is:

Originally Posted by your source

Fried concedes that while IQ may be spared, memory and attention may be harder hit and is examining the effect now: "The most-often stated reason for quitting was they felt their short-term memory was affected."

In conclusion, pvam is an idiot

In summation, your links provided little useful information, and the vast majority of it is easily refutable with a marginally more comprehensive look into the subject. Next time, I suggest reading the articles you link to and seeing whether or not they really help your case. Avoid using media as a source for scientific news, because it's main tendency is towards sensationalism, and finally, stop smoking weed.

Originally Posted by coqauvin

Strictly speaking, in adolescents there is little evidence one way or the other that weed will distort their brain, but there are established links between marijuana and schizophrenia and psychosis, where weed is not strictly the cause, but tends to exacerbate symptoms.



In conclusion, pvam is an idiot

In summation, your links provided little useful information, and the vast majority of it is easily refutable with a marginally more comprehensive look into the subject. Next time, I suggest reading the articles you link to and seeing whether or not they really help your case. Avoid using media as a source for scientific news, because it's main tendency is towards sensationalism, and finally, stop smoking weed.

I don't agree with the part about schizophrenia and psychosis because quite a few people take up smoking so they are baked and don't have to deal with reality. I'd argue, without any evidence, that these conditions were already present.

I also don't agree with the stop smoking weed part. Just don't post about it every time you get high and don't think your support of medical pot fools anyone.

Originally Posted by Sir Bifford

I don't agree with the part about schizophrenia and psychosis because quite a few people take up smoking so they are baked and don't have to deal with reality. I'd argue, without any evidence, that these conditions were already present.

I also don't agree with the stop smoking weed part. Just don't post about it every time you get high and don't think your support of medical pot fools anyone.

both the links iin question state that weed doesn't cause these things, but if you are predisposed towards them, it makes the symptoms worse. For some, it can be the proverbial snowflake, and for others it's simply another factor that keeps the psychosis going strong.

So, yes, the conditions were always present. I never said they weren't.

itt people get uppity about things that are personal choices and don't really matter either way

Originally Posted by Mr. E

itt people get uppity about things that are personal choices and don't really matter either way

well i mean heroin is a personal choice and it doesn't really matter either way

christ i have to stop taking this stance

so i take this to mean that babar lost the triathlon

Dude, put me on your team... i could smoke an eighth in like 15 minutes.

Originally Posted by Kal El

I can do that to

http://www.abovetheinfluence.com/

lol.

Originally Posted by abovetheinfluence

what are the signs?

If your friend does one or more of the following, you should talk to him/her.

If he/she:

* Gets drunk or high on a regular basis.
* Drinks or uses drugs when he/she is alone.
* Shows up at school drunk or high or has skipped class to use.
* Needs drugs or alcohol to have a good time or cope with everyday life.
* Plans for drug use in advance.
* Starts hanging out with new friends who will do drugs with him/her or can score for him/her.
* Lies about drug use.
* Pressures others to use drugs.
* Has broken plans with you, or showed up late, because he/she was getting drunk or high.
* Shows little interest in or quits sports or activities he/she once enjoyed.
* Has driven a car while drunk or high.
* Borrows or steals money to buy drugs or alcohol.

lol
I do all of those, apart from driving while high/drunk.
I can't drive.

Maybe someone should talk to me lol.