Okay, so you then are for the legalization of marijuana, in spite of what you said earlier in this thread.Originally Posted by djwolford
Okay, so you then are for the legalization of marijuana, in spite of what you said earlier in this thread.
PANDAS
If you don't like them, then get the fuck out.
Well that is the silliest shit that I've ever heard since it would never happen, but yes. What constitutes good or mad morals has always been decided by the general population in an area so I don't see any reason to change the way nature has worked since the dawn of time now.
Although I'd probably move to another location because that's just not cool imo.
It's not silly at all. Cannabis use is a victimless crime as it stands, whereas rape is not, which is the clear line between what ought to be illegal (protecting freedoms) and what ought not to be covered (what a person does to him or herself). But apparently you're adding a 3rd party, which is 'whatever the majority says goes'. Here's a newsflash: bowing to the wishes of the majority if it means discriminating against a minority is something people have been fighting against since the enlightenment. It's shitty views like yours which gave us such awesomeness as the holocaust, slavery, general racism, and religious persecution.
You'd have to demonstrate why, somehow, cannabis is a special case in order for you to actually believe that 51% of people should be able to tell 49% what they put in their own bodies (or even 99% and 1%, it doesn't matter).
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Apparently you haven't been paying very close attention to my posts here.
I generally do think that all of those things are pretty awesome.
I mean just because someone is in a minority doesn't mean that I should have to pander to them and their desires.
You're missing the point. You seem to explicitly believe that what the majority says, goes, the rights of everyone be damned. That's the road to totalitarianism and I, at least, think that is pretty uncool.
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Well then shouldn't it be my choice to decide whether or not I should say, be able to own slaves? Who decides what is and isn't a victimless crime? I personally feel that that there are victims associated with marijuana use, even if it's just the person that is using it, whether or not they even realize that they are the victim.
Once again it goes back to the majority making the call on whether or not it should be legalized. When a majority goes in and votes that marijuana should be legal, I'll be ok with it.
???
It's a victimless crime because you are consenting to it. You're consenting to you giving yourself a joint. It's pretty simple. The slave presumably hasn't consented to his slavery.
You could take that further and say 'ah, but maybe you don't know how bad it is!', which is pretty bogus, since I find the idea that the state knows better than I do about my own body to be pretty ridiculous.
Right...Once again it goes back to the majority making the call on whether or not it should be legalized. When a majority goes in and votes that marijuana should be legal, I'll be ok with it.
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Well to be quite honest my argument here is pretty weak because I'm playing the Devil's advocate here. (read trolling)
I'm just saying that the same "totalitarian" system that you're downing is the system that is telling me that I can't have 34 negroids plowing my fields right now. Also, just because you consent to something doesn't mean that it's a victimless crime. Dr. Kevorkian's patients consented to being offed by him, that doesn't mean that there weren't victims involved.
So yeah what I'm getting at is that people aren't always the best judge of what is and isn't good for themselves and society as a whole. It's all pretty subjective though and I don't feel like it's my place to tell a majority of the population what is and isn't right, although I do feel like it's my place to disagree if I see fit. You're acting as if the government is stepping in here and forcing something on people, but at the end of the day it's the people who make the final call, and government just enforces it.
Are you thick or something? Re-read my post where I noted the (obvious) difference between slave owning (THE SLAVES CAN'T CONSENT TO IT) and smoking a joint (YOU CONSENT TO GIVING YOURSELF THE JOINT).
If there is consent, there, by definition, cannot be a victim.
Sure you can disagree. Your first point is just wrong, though. On the contrary, I think people ARE the best judge of what and what isn't good for themselves* - you noted yourself that it is subjective, which is precisely the reason it is both illogical and oppressive for the majority of the population - through force, law, government, whatever - to tell others how to live their lives. It makes no sense. Furthermore, people have no obligation to 'society' as a whole if they do not want to. Government/elected officials/res publica/whatever forcing this obligation is just absurd and, again, leads to totalitarianism.So yeah what I'm getting at is that people aren't always the best judge of what is and isn't good for themselves and society as a whole. It's all pretty subjective though and I don't feel like it's my place to tell a majority of the population what is and isn't right, although I do feel like it's my place to disagree if I see fit.
* this obviously involves taking responsibility for actions.
I don't get this bit.You're acting as if the government is stepping in here and forcing something on people, but at the end of the day it's the people who make the final call, and government just enforces it.
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1)A little bit yes.
2)Smoking pot does have an impact on the people around you though, and they generally don't consent to the negative things that occur because of it.
3)Obviously.
I'm pro-legalization because I think people have a right to choose what they ingest into their own bodies, even if it is a hard drug that can hurt or kill them. As long as you aren't bothering anyone else (i.e. there are laws against drunk driving, smoking in public places, etc) then the government should have no right to tell you what you can or can't ingest. Besides that overall point, this is a states right issue anyway, the Federal government has no business making laws against drugs outside of interstate commerce and sale, each individual state should make their own laws.
I agree with this 100%.
Yeah because if you commit suicide the only person you are bothering is yourself.
Well I mean I'm not sure how much more I can elaborate on that.
But that just goes back to the 51% vs 49% thing.
Which I guess I've already rejected, so never mind.
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and Benzss you should drop this, cause he is doing a good job of trolling.
Hey Wolford if I showed up at your house with a blunt of some bomb ass chronic would you have a smoke session?
And if you got dilaudids I'll bring the rigs
lik dis if u cry evertim
So...........
You guys call the number or what?
Just did.
It's like phoning for a pizza and being told why pizza is tasty before you can make your order.
*calls a random phone number to "support" the legalization of marijuana*
*has his phone number traced by law enforcement*
*gets busted in the biggest drug raid to ever hit the country*
Haha right? Well they'd hate for lots of people to hit "0" I guess!
Niceeee.
I hope nobody really worries about a situation like this. It WOULD be a fun day in jail though!
Even unicorns smoke weed, and they don't even exist!
Even stoned unicorns know better than to image leech.
Seriously though whats wrong with "image leeching". I'm not being sarcastic, I really don't know. How else can you post a picture without using the dumb image thing we have here?
takes up other sites bandwidth or something blah blah.
use photobucket or the sort if you don't wanna hear Scarf complain, but you know what I say to that:
lik dis if u cry evertim
Image leeching is frowned upon because you are using their bandwidth to display the images here, that they may not have consented to but they have to literally pay the bill for every time this thread is loaded.
The alternatives are numerous:
http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=free+...fp=plMEEOJK8PA
There are literally hundreds or thousands of different free services to host your images on. The one other rule about that is that you obey the sites Terms of Service which generally means don't post adult-themed pictures unless they explicitly allow it.
Yes and I don't have any but I could probably find some if I looked hard enough.
I really don't care enough about it either way. If I had to vote on it I'd vote no just because I'm an asshole. They I'd go smoke a joint.
i rest my case
wat case was that?
lik dis if u cry evertim
It was a briefcase, we know that much.
Well no, because it might not be beneficial for smoking cannabis to be basically culturally expected of people like drinking is. As it is, people who want to smoke weed can go out and find it or try it with friends rather than feeling the need to do it.
If I was a smoker I wouldn't want it legalised because there would have to be an industry to mass-produce it. That's not going to pop up over night so it would have to be given to a pre-existing industry. Therefore you have 3 contenders. The alcohol industry, the tobacco industry or the pharmaceutical industry. All 3 of which have terrible reputations and would fuck everything up for the regular user.
Or grow your own
It isn't difficult
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Yes it is. Especially here.
But most people don't want that form of legalisation. They want to buy a quarter-ounce with their morning paper.
Not really. Get the right equipment for a small investment (like £100 for a tank and lamps) and you can grow your own with a quick turnaround.
edit: i say this with some authority because the tanks used and lamps used for keeping snakes can also be used to grow weed
Last edited by benzss; 06-21-2009 at 08:10 PM.
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It's not that easy man, you do not know what you are talking about. One of the arguments against legalization is that everyone will just grow there own. I can personally guarantee that will never happen because it's too damn hard to grow good weed. There are so many factors involved in growing good weed and since each strain reacts differently to nutrients or a specific ph level you need to be knowledgeable enough to recognize problems, differentiate deficiency's from nute burn, etc.
Also the argument that it will just be commercialized and grown by hjuge corporations in mass quantity resulting in a lower quality of weed is probably the dumbest thing I have ever heard. Anyone who seriously believes that there will be no good weed available to buy from stores and it would all just be mass produced garbage is an idiot or just not thinking clearly. Any kind of weed that has demand will be available. I mean tobacco is barely even a comparison but even looking at tobacco as an example you can see this wouldn't happen. Also the vast majority of people don't care about the quality of the tobacco they smoke, as long as it meets the standards they hold their choice pack of cigarettes to. The main reason behind this is because you don't care how potent your cigarettes are, you don't try to take huge hits and get fucked up off a cigarette. However, once you get into cigars you see the quality and price both start to rise very rapidly. A cigar connoisseur buys expensive cigars for the quality, taste and smoking enjoyment. Even though giant companies have controlled the tobacco industry for many years, there are still all kinds of nice cigars out there to buy. And that's with the demand for nice cigars being very low overall. Make the same kind of comparison to alcohol where there is a higher percentage of people looking for good quality stuff. Do they have problems finding high quality beer? Were they forced to brew it themselves? No they went to the store and bought it, maybe they had to go to a microbrewery or something besides a regular beer distributor but the point is they can get it no problem. There is such a high demand for really good weed amongst the smoking population that there is no way there wouldn't be tons of places where a weed connoisseur could buy exotic strains and such.
Trust me, if you can get the conditions right for a tropical snake, you can do it with weed.
Yes it requires expertise and reading up, but really, brewing your own beer from scratch is a major hassle too but it isn't difficult to do it once you know how. Plenty of people do that shiz.
edit: basically I'm not saying it's as simple as 'throw some seeds in under a lamp and wait'. Give me more credit than that.
Last edited by benzss; 06-22-2009 at 04:47 PM.
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Jane I'm not sure I understand the second part of your post.
I'm saying that as it is, people can find out about weed and make an informed choice as to weather they want to do it or not with minimal pressure. Many people grow up feeling an almost necessity to drink in order to fit in with the rest of society. Its not a huge factor but its worth considering.
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