Speaking of diverse, if you can pass yourself off as a biracial half black lesbian M to F trangendered person, your chances will skyrocket.Originally Posted by jack burden
Also, sailor jack, I was going to put something in there about how "British universities may be an exception," but I thought better of it...
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The essay is probably one of the last aspects that are considered in your application. They want numbers first and foremost. It's the best judge for where to place you on the gradient, SAT(ACT)/GPA are the numbers they look to first. If you aren't in the median you're not even in the considered pile.
Average GPA of a student entering my school last year was a 3.8. Sad fact is, they were probably, mostly, rejected from many of the UC's they applied to.
Don't forget disabled.
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Then again, this depends on the school. Some of the schools that are only moderately competative will
consider your numerical indicators in light of your essay, provided that you at least showed, for example, marked improvement, or, say, if there were an anomolous dip in your performane that could have corresponded to a difficult event in your persoanl life. You also better have a damn good explanation that you explain well in your essay.
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It depends entirely on the college. Obviously you go to one that values grades and is selective, but obviously most colleges are less demanding. Some consider essays because they demonstrate the applicant's writing ability. They do put more weight on SAT scores, though. Those are really important. It's a good idea to take it multiple times if you don't do well the first time.
Oh yeah. Some do consider personal life problems like that if you bring them up as a reasonable explanation for why you didn't do as well as you could have.
I can't speak in general terms, but I know that I and a number of my friends/peers had to write theses to get our bachelor's degrees. Though it's probably fair to say that they weren't always evaluated as rigorously as a masters thesis would be, let alone a doctoral.
Yeah. I mean in Italy, for example, the thesis for a bachelor's-equivalent degree has to be defended at the same level as a Master's thesis in the US, and it is printed and kept in the university's library just as a Master's thesis would be.
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Well I'm doing a degree in Creative Writing so in three years time I get to do a massive evaluated piece instead of a dissertation. It'll finally give me the motivation to write a full novella.
If you are going into Pharmacy I would go for University of the Pacific. It is up by Sacramento and San Francisco in Stockton. The tuition is high, but they are very good with scholarships, and if you play any instruments you can get in easier if you are in their music program. Their pharmecuitical program is one of the best in the country and the school itself is not hard to get into. I got in with a full scholarship with a 3.0. and a 1750 sat (I did get scholarships for music though). I would not recommend going to SDSU, I also live in San Diego and everyone I know of who wants to get out of San Diego and goes to SDSU hates it. I don't know what high school you go to, but at my high school a bunch of people go there, so you will be seeing the same people all the time.
Oh and if you graduate from University of the Pacific with a pharmaceutical degree, Longs Drugs guarentees you a job starting at 100k a year.
You mean with an undergrad degree, or with a Pharm D or what?
Because if it's with just a BS, I wish that someone told me this earlier... and also that I were in the same broken, disillusioned state that I'm in now.
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Whatever college you do decide on make sure you go with pharmacy, engineering, or something in the sciences. Otherwise you're fucked.
Hah, so true, that's why I passed up UCSD and never even applied to SDSU.
Look into UCSF and the following schools that have pharmacy programs:
# University of California
* School of Pharmacy, San Francisco, CA
o Department of Pharmaceutical Chemistry
+ Cellular and Molecular Pharmacology
+ Tack Kuntz Group (DOCK software)
* Department of Molecular and Medical Pharmacology, Los Angeles, CA
# University of the Pacific, Thomas J. Long School of Pharmacy and Health Sciences, Stockton, CA 95211
# Western University of Health Sciences, College of Pharmacy, Pomona, CA
# University of California, San Diego, School of Pharmacy and Pharmaceutical Sciences, 9500 Gilman Drive, MC 0657, La Jolla, CA 92093-0657
# Loma Linda University, School of Pharmacy, 11262 Campus Street, Loma Linda, CA 92354
# Touro University, College of Pharmacy, Vallejo CA
# California Northstate College of Pharmacy, 455 Capitol Mall, Suite 317, Sacramento CA 95814
May I recommend if you are good at math and the sciences and enjoy them.. the world always needs more engineers.
"In spite of everything, I still believe that people are really good at heart." -Anne Frank
“We are what we think. All that we are arises with our thoughts. With our thoughts, we make the world.” -Buddha
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This is dumb, don't listen to it.
ALL DEGREES OTHER THAN JOURNALISM ARE WASTES OF GOD DAMNED TIME YOU CAN BET YOUR RELATIONSHIP WITH JESUS ON THAT ONE
Good thing a philosophy degree is perfect for todays economy
oh wait
(what I meant to get at is: don't get a shit degree that you will regret getting)
He should get a degree in a field that interests him and that he wants to get a degree in. If that's a scientific or engineering degree, great. If it's a philosophy degree, great also. People with liberal arts degrees aren't doomed to unemployment; it can a be a bit harder for them, but they're not stuck out in the cold (if nothing else, they can always go to law school). A lot of employers don't care what your degree is in, they just want you to have a degree because it's evidence that you can work hard and learn things. If he has no interest in science or engineering, it would be a terrible idea for him to force himself into a field he doesn't like for the sake of having a somewhat easier time finding a job after graduation. That would be a "shit degree that he would regret getting". Today's economy isn't going to last for the rest of our lives, in fact it's already starting to turn around and will probably be back to normal in a few more years, so that's an incredibly poor basis for making a decision that will heavily affect the rest of your life. Besides, bear in mind that you are giving advice to someone who just finished sophomore year of high school, so "today's economy" is actually totally irrelevant to him; he's not trying to find a job in today's economy, he'll be trying to find a job in 2015's economy.
This is all academic, since I think the OP has already talking about majoring in pharmaceutics or engineering, but the idea that you're screwed if you get anything other than a science, engineering, or pharmacy degree is retarded.
It is like after finishing their 6 year program, it is year around though.
People who get liberal arts degrees and don't intend to continue their education are doomed.
Then again, people who get B.S.' and don't intend to continue their education are doomed.
Most BBAs (especially finance, risk management, and MIS), Computer Science, any type of engineering, and some journalism (particularly PR) are the most marketable degrees. If you have a BA or BS with no second major, go ahead and plan on going straight to a masters/law/medicine/pharm/vet program.
Engineering and computer science bachelor's degrees are usually B.S.'s...
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I was about to say "well obviously Atmosfear never got to the science and math side of campus very often," but then I recalled that he also majored in biology.
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Why would you pay money for college if you're not going to pursue something that interests you? You may as well just skip it and go work at some backwater factory.
On another note, there are a lot of people who come out of college without being able to write well. That should be a priority no matter what field you're choosing.
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This sounds like an option I should really consider, thanks. I do play quite a few instruments so maybe that'll add a little weight to my application.
There's a reason the term "starving artist" exists.
You don't get the point. As long as you are doing what you love, it doesn't really matter.
"In spite of everything, I still believe that people are really good at heart." -Anne Frank
“We are what we think. All that we are arises with our thoughts. With our thoughts, we make the world.” -Buddha
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that's why the attrition rate in careers like music and acting is so enormous?
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he didn't say anything about job security or financial security or anything
he's just saying if you do something you truly love, your quality of life will be better for it. if it doesnt work out, oh well, at least you did something you love.
I got my allowance but I spent it all on ice cream
haha
i used to think this but i am not so sure anymore
as sad as it is, without money you can't paint
food to keep you alive to continue painting and of course, paints and canvasses.
yeah money is pretty important it seems, who would have thought
this line still works for me
The density of people on this forum is rather astonishing.
Turn the term "starving artist" around. Yes, he/she is starving because artists don't make money. But also look at it like they are willing to starve and go through hell because, at least, unlike others, they can put up with the hardships to say that they are content doing their art.
Then again, I'm about to start dating an engineer who paints on the side.. she's got her shit down.
"In spite of everything, I still believe that people are really good at heart." -Anne Frank
“We are what we think. All that we are arises with our thoughts. With our thoughts, we make the world.” -Buddha
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The density of the TOGS on this forum is rather astonishing.
Dissect the term "starving artist" into its various components. Yes, for a while he/she is happy to be an artist. But also look at it like their will to starve is only so strong because, at least, just like others, they can't put up with the hardships to say that they are content doing their art for that long.
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Actually, the density of the TOGS on this forum is quite low, namely 1 per 786 members, or at best 1 per 255 active members. Yet it is higher than the density of TOGS on the majority of internet forums, which is 0.
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Of the artists I know, none are starving (and I mean I know a lot from UCSB). Marketing and advertising always need the artists.
I just spent the last 10 minutes geeking out on how to approximate my actual density. For a moment considered filling one of the 55 gallons we have here at work with water and getting in to get the appropriate volume.
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"In spite of everything, I still believe that people are really good at heart." -Anne Frank
“We are what we think. All that we are arises with our thoughts. With our thoughts, we make the world.” -Buddha
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Yes, pointing out the existence of a cliche term totally proves your point, and debunks the idea that people should major in a field that actually interests them rather than whatever field they think will make it easiest to get a job. Well done.
Yep, so people who want to devote their lives to art will have to get a job on the side until they can support themselves through their art. Yep, they will probably have a (comparatively) hardscrabble living standard during this period, since whatever job they get probably won't pay as well as the job that, say, an engineering major can get when they graduate. This doesn't really refute what TOGS said at all. He never said that money itself is absolutely unnecessary; I would have though it was obvious that what he meant was that making lots of money in a field you dislike isn't necessarily better than making less money in a field you love. Obviously you need SOME money, he wasn't suggesting that it's possible to get by with literally $0 in your pocket.
LOL
So you're saying that a self-identified "artist" being forced to work in marketing and advertising isn't the worst sort of betrayal of one's artistic principles?
They would usually consider it to be so. To most writers, there is no lower form of writing than writing ads (greeting cards probably rank higher). To composers, there is no lower form of composition than jingle writing. Etc.
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The density of the syclds on this forum is rather astonishing. There's no way we have 255 active anything
Uh, no, I think what he's saying is that if you get an art (or whatever) degree, it's not impossible to find employers who are willing to hire people with those sorts of degrees, so you aren't necessarily going to be starving and broke as some posters have suggested. Yeah, obviously there isn't much artistic gratification in working for an advertising firm--obviously someone with an art degree wouldn't want to spend their whole life in that sort of job. You use that job to pay your bills, while you work on your own art in your own time, and try to eventually find a job that's more in line with what you actually want to spend your life doing. His point isn't that churning out ad copy is a fulfillment of artistic principle, it's that the "starving artist" cliche is not really accurate because people with arts degrees can get jobs too.
I should hire Syme on retainer.
That is what I mean though. You can be an artist and work at McDonalds for all you care, or be fortunate enough to work in a somewhat related field, but still be able to go home and sit at your canvas, easel, or whatever and pump out creative work.
Last edited by TheOriginalGrumpySpy; 07-16-2009 at 09:56 PM.
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“We are what we think. All that we are arises with our thoughts. With our thoughts, we make the world.” -Buddha
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Dunno if you're still paying attention to this thread, BUT:
What you want to do is call your community colleges and ask about the TAG program -- that's Transfer-something-guaranteed. If you make it through a set of CC courses, you get guaranteed admission into a UC school. One of the schools offered by one of the community colleges *is* UC Berkley, but I can't remember for the life of me which CC offers TAG to UCB. There is one in San Diego though, or at least when I was trying to sort it out in 2004. Each CC has different agreements with different UCs and state schools. I got into Humboldt on a TAG (but I didn't need to, I got good grades in my CC).
I didn't flub up quite as hard as you in high school, but pretty damn close. I'm now a successful graduate student at the University of Washington in Geography, one of the top ten departments in the nation. The good news is that if you decide to go on, admissions LOVES a good "I flubbed up but now I'm here" story.
p.s. I don't check this forum often (and I'm out of the country on research), but feel free to shoot me a PM if you'd like more direction. I was born and bred in San Diego, and did all of my CC work there as well.
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