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    Yeah here is what happens when america plays america

    we save the world from germany twice, liberate south korea, oppose communism in vietnam, defuse the cuban missile crisis, liberate kuwait, insure the security of israel, provide military and intelligence support to all of the other countries sitting at home judging, depose the taliban, eliminate a genocidal dictator in the powderkeg, bring saddam hussein to trial, stabilize latin america, bring capitalism to both china and russia, add vitality to an indian economy, and get all of europe fucking rich.

    So seriously, fuck off. Shitty ass fucking canada wouldn't have an economy to provide you the luxury of criticism without the united states.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atmosfear View Post
    Yeah here is what happens when america plays america
    oh boy here we go

    Quote Originally Posted by Atmosfear
    we save the world from germany twice,

    save the world from germany is a checkered history - the americans came in fresh after both sides had been pounding on each other for a while, while their business execs profited from sales to both sides in the war. this is strategically sound, but doesn't endear you to either side and claiming credit for it as a saviour loses it's power because you waited until the last second to come in.

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    liberate south korea,

    liberating south korea is again in this 'we are the world police' mentality, which is fine so long as you're a global body keeping the peace in the world, not another nation who is, in the end looking out for your own interests.

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    oppose communism in vietnam,
    yeah how did that turn out? oh right, you lost. you started a war off your home soil, got a whole bunch of civilians killed and for what purpose? vietnam didn't bring any benefit to the US financially and you lost a shitload of face for your actions there. are you really adding this to your resume?

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    defuse the cuban missile crisis,
    this was a shitty situation where the best you could get was the minimum requirement to maintain stature. if you had gone to war over it, everybody loses and no one can brag. because you defused it, you didn't go to war, but not going to fucking war was the whole point the entire time.

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    liberate kuwait,
    yet another world police moment, although more in line with the stabilization of trade in a hotbed area. all the middle eastern countries were shitting on saddam for doing this in the first place and breaking the rules of being an oiligarch, but do you really think that nobody else would have stepped in if you hadn't? congratulations on finally dealing with the problem a decade or so later.

    Quote Originally Posted by Atmosfear View Post
    insure the security of israel,
    israel as a state is a shitty concept no matter how you look at it - much like americas own history, you displaced the native residents of a country and replaced them with immigrants in a sense of manifest destiny. now, you add muscle to ensure that the country continues to continue in spite of the fact that it shouldn't have existed in the first place. it's like a housepet - can't stand on it's own in the world and requires constant feeding and attention to survive. what do you think you gain by this? face? really?

    also, i think you're looking for the word ensure, although insurance is probably a more apt metaphor for how things run there.

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    provide military and intelligence support to all of the other countries sitting at home judging,
    I can't fault providing intelligence, although intelligence itself is a commodity, and so you're bragging about being rumour merchants. congratulations?

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    depose the taliban,
    good job on deposing the taliban (cutting the head off the hydra) and then walking the fuck away for 8 years while other countries (canada, basically - none of the other UN countries who promised support showed up) kept the peace in the area instead of it turning into a hotbed of terrorism again when a new leadership with no reason not to share the ideals of the taliban takes control of afghanistan again. you really did a great job there.

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    eliminate a genocidal dictator in the powderkeg,
    i can't say i know what you're talking about here.

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    bring saddam hussein to trial,
    um what? you invade a country and put it's leader on trial? have you thought about what the reaction would be if the reverse happened, especially under your previous president? that aside, you did the right thing (punish human rights violations) for entirely the wrong reason (trying to stabilize an anti-american hotbed, secure a supply of oil in a dwindling market, creating international business that was prone to nepotism and incompetence), and then claim the altruistic reasons were the only ones.

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    stabilize latin america,
    can't say i understand this one either, but my knowledge of world affairs isn't all inclusive.

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    bring capitalism to both china and russia,
    hahahahaha ok, both of these countries were communists, so once they realized that being communist isn't as profitable as being capitalistic (maximizing short term profits for as long as possible before jumping ship with the earnings), they were bound to turn towards it anyways. I guess you led by example (i.e moon landings as a feat of technological example), but you didn't bring it by convincing them to not be the communists you hate, you did it by showing it's more beneficial to enrich yourself at the expense of others around you. i'm not even going into the issue that is capitalism and why it's inherently flawed.

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    add vitality to an indian economy,
    i don't know anything about this, but it's probably wrong. sycld fill me in

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    and get all of europe fucking rich.
    europe is more than capable of enriching itself in ways that don't involve rape and run tactics, and i believe they have generally done so. how exactly have you accomplished this again?

    Quote Originally Posted by Atmosfear View Post
    So seriously, fuck off. Shitty ass fucking canada wouldn't have an economy to provide you the luxury of criticism without the united states.
    i'm not denying that it's beneficial being neighbours with a superpower, but you're bragging about the wrong things for the wrong reasons. your resume is so full of holes it's a little embarassing, but you keep on bragging about these things as though they were picture perfect. seriously, fuck america and it's sense of self-importance (unwarranted), it's feeling of accomplishment for a mediocre job completed and this continued bragadoccio in the twilight years of its empire.

    so quit swinging your massive, herpes ridden nation-dick around and put it back in your pants until it's clean enough to touch something other than a diseased whore.

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    The fact that you didn't have to respond to my post in german is the exact reason you can fuck off I stopped reading after that.

    Actually I didn't. You clearly know nothing about political science if you believe a global body can play police force issues of power and sovereignty abound ho hum polisci 101 UN failure etc etc

    danke sehr

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    Quote Originally Posted by coqauvin View Post
    i don't know anything about this, but it's probably wrong. sycld fill me in
    You know who you sound like?

    Darth Vader.

    I thought better of you.

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    Slobaknob Milosevic says thanks america

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    Ethnic albanians say fuck america

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    fair enough, although world police is a bit of a catchword that doesn't accurately describe what's going on. The US's intervention in Kuwait wasn't necessary - ideally, the task should've fallen to the UN, which would have given it credibility and actually made the body be more effective. Actually, a lot of america's invasions along these lines would've done the world better good had they been done through the UN. Theoretically speaking, a global body attached to no nation in particular that maintains peace and steps on overreaching national hands (which applies equally to iraq in kuwait, but also america in vietnam) would do the world a lot of good, and building the UN into something along those lines (which is, i think, what it sees itself as idealistically) and then actually giving it the name and power to carry this out would be nothig but beneficial

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    clearly i am 17 and togs i am a little hurt by this, although a little in doubt that you had higher expectations of me

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    Quote Originally Posted by coqauvin View Post
    fair enough, although world police is a bit of a catchword that doesn't accurately describe what's going on. The US's intervention in Kuwait wasn't necessary - ideally, the task should've fallen to the UN, which would have given it credibility and actually made the body be more effective. Actually, a lot of america's invasions along these lines would've done the world better good had they been done through the UN. Theoretically speaking, a global body attached to no nation in particular that maintains peace and steps on overreaching national hands (which applies equally to iraq in kuwait, but also america in vietnam) would do the world a lot of good, and building the UN into something along those lines (which is, i think, what it sees itself as idealistically) and then actually giving it the name and power to carry this out would be nothig but beneficial
    The Persian Gulf war was not only the United States, it was a mult-national defense of over 25 countries (a move, I believe, that went through NATO) that moved in after the UN, sadly but unsurprisingly, failed to do its job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coqauvin View Post
    clearly i am 17 and togs i am a little hurt by this, although a little in doubt that you had higher expectations of me
    I expected educated opinions not generalizations.

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    whoops! i should actually study history instead of relying on what i remember being said year ago. my bad guys

    edit: it probably doesn't work or make sense, but if the US would have invaded under the UN flag and done the job in the name of the UN, it would have been two birds with one stone, was my idea

    post post script: my knowledge of middle east conflicts and the nuances involved isn't exactly in depth
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    i think that darth vader probably has more formal education than me

    i just read about this shit here and there and think a little trying to come up with a decent opinion about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coqauvin View Post
    whoops! i should actually study history instead of relying on what i remember being said year ago. my bad guys

    edit: it probably doesn't work or make sense, but if the US would have invaded under the UN flag and done the job in the name of the UN, it would have been two birds with one stone, was my idea
    http://www.un.org/Depts/dpko/missions/unikom/

    The UN moved peacekeeping forces in after the Iraqi withdrawal. In fact, the UN authorized the use of force in a resolution to aid Kuwait. That resolution was signed by a number of countries.

    US-led simply meant strategy and logistics fell on them, not that they were solely the ones fighting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coqauvin View Post
    post post script: my knowledge of middle east conflicts and the nuances involved isn't exactly in depth
    Would you consider yourself more of an athlete?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheOriginalGrumpySpy View Post
    Would you consider yourself more of an athlete?
    Yes, yes I would.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheOriginalGrumpySpy View Post
    Would you consider yourself more of an athlete?
    I am leagues beyond you in athleticism

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    AMERIKKKA FUCK YEA!!!
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    well as the last remaining superpower in the world it is our duty to continue both the glorious and douchey policies of the british empire abroad ok
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    it's been 8 months since i posted in this thread and ayn rand is still dead

    we did it

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    Did Coq succeed from any further discussion on this matter?

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    i am pretty happy with my response to atmosfear's declaration of american glory

    i mean if someone wants to deconstruct what i'm saying and call me an idiot feel free otherwise how will i learn?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick Scarf View Post
    But we need to protect the world!
    Oh hey some skinny geek that is boning another skinny geek making political commentary



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