Thread: I hope this is an appropriate first post.

Well, to start it off simply, the entire World has gone to hell, and is currently roasting medium well in a nice little corner so remote that barely anyone realizes it.
Now I know that hell on Earth is a difficult concept to understand for most people, but really, if you can’t see what the hell is wrong with the world then get the fuck off my planet. Honestly.
If you’ve opened a newspaper recently, you’ve obviously been swamped with the most disturbing, openly balls out retarded articles you’ve ever read. This isn’t an isolated thing. This is the entire world falling apart, and no one has the balls to do anything about it.

Well. My first point is the whole equal rights argument. NOT ALL PEOPLE ARE EQUAL. Some people just shouldn’t be given rights. Anarchists for example, should be treated more suspect than the average person. Those who actively work to undermine the government should be treated as terrorists, and charged as such.
And criminals, oh my god do not get me started on criminals. These low lives do NOT deserve equal rights as I do.
Me > A Child Molester. It should be recognized in the court of law that I, who have no previous offenses and nothing seriously wrong with me (Tourettes aside) should get more leniency and more of a chance to escape conviction for a minor offense than a pedophile would. This isn’t true. It sickens me. A common thief should have more pride than the people who regulate our justice system.

The UN is a failure. This is why I am a self proclaimed Revanchist. I can list so many times that the UN has failed at doing its job in the last 20 years that it would make Santa Clause cry himself into a drunken stupor. North Korea’s nuclear program. Russia illegally selling weapons across the globe. Iran going Nuclear. The US invading Iraq (I’m a proud American patriot and I will be the first to admit that our country SCREWED UP with that whole mess. We managed to turn a stable (well…relatively stable anyway) shithole into a complete blunderfuck in about 5 years. No other nation has ever managed that in the history of the world in that frame of time, except for Japan during WWII, again courtesy of the US.) Which we spent the next 30 years rebuilding might I add!

More than that, the UN is a good idea, but it was executed horribly. I say we need to completely rewrite the entire thing from the ground up regarding international conflict. The peacekeeping aspect of the UN fails miserably, almost as bad as America did in electing Dubya as president. We had a goddamn monkey working the white house for EIGHT. FUCKING. YEARS. Am I the only person who sees the irony in that? Everyone hates him and he gets elected twice.

Abortion. Do people honestly think that they have a right to tell a woman what she can and can’t do with her body? These are usually the same people who want to proudly march us into the tenth century. I’m not exaggerating when I say that half of these people are complete nut jobs who masturbate FURIOUSLY to all things right winged while loading their rifles and waving their American flags on the warpath to the nearest liberals house. God forbid gays should ever have equal rights, for fear that they will actively seek to destroy America next, and from there the entire world!

Now don’t get me wrong, I do not by any means dislike conservatives, hell, I have quite a few conservative tendencies myself. I think the whole liberal vs conservative thing is the most retarded thing to happen since the movie Superbad. When it comes to the Right to Bear Arms, I can safely say that I take the "Molon Labe" stance on this issue. Our constitution DECLARES us the right to have guns, and anyone who thinks gun control is a good idea is WILLFULLY IGNORANT of the standing statistics and should be SHOT, just for the ironic enjoyment of the rest of us.

People judge each other for the smallest things, and I know that occasionally you CAN tell a man by the kind of porn he watches (no I’m not serious. Well. Kinda.) you can’t tell everything about somebody.
Poor analogy, but it stands.

That’s one of the major flaws with American society as I see it, we focus too much on labeling and categorizing each other. In the eyes of an overconservative, if you support gay rights or abortion you’re a hippie liberal commie who needs to be shot for ruining this country. In the eyes of an overliberal, if you DON’T support gay rights or abortion you’re a stingy, old fashioned bigoted bastard who is ruining this country.

THIS. FUCKING. SUCKS.

I, as a 17 year old, seem to have more wisdom then anyone in the Goddamn country that identifies themselves as either Republican or Democrat. The United States is a great country. It’s an eagle, flying high overhead, just out of reach of everything below it.

The liberals, or the “left wing” think that this eagle will fly better without its right wing altogether.

The conservatives, or “right wing” think that this eagle would fly better without its left wing altogether.

Has anyone ever seen what happens to an eagle when it tries to fly with only one wing? For our more conservative or liberal listeners, I’ll give you a few minutes to think that over, I know it’s a little hard to understand. Don’t worry, I’ll wait.

I am not advocating bringing down this country stone by stone and building it back up.
I AM advocating bringing down the obsolete, out of date, and useless trends in this country stone by stone and using what we already have to work with to put it back, but better.

The problem with this, however, is that it requires hard work, effort, and money from the politicians pockets. This is a terrible sin to anyone who has ever held office or a position of power, and as such, will most likely never happen.

Now, I for one want to help this country get out of the rut that it is currently in, and move forward into a life that would be better for everyone! America as a superpower can only be a good thing, and as we are, that’s slipping away.

This country isn’t BAD per say, its just in a bad place. And yes, there are those who could argue that its not even in a bad place, and hell I’ll give them credit and say they could argue it successfully. At the same time, even those who are most extreme in their arguments against the “bad place” theory for America could not argue that we are not in a GOOD place.

Lets compromise for a second, and agree that we are not in a GOOD place, but not neccesarily in a BAD place.

That leaves us with the middle path. Average. Plain.

I submit, is it a life worth living in if everything is steeped in mediocrity?

Point 1. You're 17. In the scope of things, you know nothing. You watch CNN, you've probably taken a political science class, and now you're regurgitating whatever "expert opinion" you've heard on TV or read in a dated textbook your highschool provided you. So Bravo.

Point 2. You equate political grid-lock to a bird flying. Do actually believe this holds any content? How do I refute that an bird can't fly without wings, and then relate that back to political science. Oh wait, because they're two completely separate things.

Point 3. I'm a fan of the UN. I believe in it. That's not to say it isn't flawed but look what it's trying to do. It has a large task, it's not going to be perfect and overtime it will improve. I have faith in the system, you want to shut it down and build it again from the ground up. Why?

The UN is a failure. This is why I am a self proclaimed Revanchist. I can list so many times that the UN has failed at doing its job in the last 20 years that it would make Santa Clause cry himself into a drunken stupor. North Korea’s nuclear program. Russia illegally selling weapons across the globe. Iran going Nuclear. The US invading Iraq (I’m a proud American patriot and I will be the first to admit that our country SCREWED UP with that whole mess. We managed to turn a stable (well…relatively stable anyway) shithole into a complete blunderfuck in about 5 years. No other nation has ever managed that in the history of the world in that frame of time, except for Japan during WWII, again courtesy of the US.) Which we spent the next 30 years rebuilding might I add!

Is there any substantial backing you have to this or are you just talking again?

You're attempting to elicit an argument from a) too many points, b) from inexperience, c) the mind of, say, a 17 year old. By this last point, what I'm trying to say is that you called the previous president a monkey (your diction in general), you use generalized jargon that you've probably heard from your parents, and you have a hard train of thought to follow.

That being said, I appreciate younger people who attempt to get involved in politics; we need more people that.

Originally Posted by Darth Vader

The UN is a good thing inherently. Currently, it's bound by WAY too much red tape to do anyone any good, and I think (judging by your post) that you have the wisdom to agree with that.
That said, its HUMANITARIAN part is about 90% of that "good thing" right there, but its peacekeeping aspect is what really needs to be rebuilt.
And let's be honest for a moment here, Bush WAS a monkey, theres really no getting around it.

And my analogy to the Eagle DOES stand. The Left Wing is JUST as important as the Right Wing, and your saying that because it's two seperate things also says that you disagree. Are you saying that America would be better off with only the Left Wing or only the Right Wing?

The world isn't run by vigilantism. It takes order. Order requires a process. That process inherently requires some sort of "red-tape". I don't want any political bias I have to get involved, I'm simply telling you how it is: debate is not calling the president a monkey and forcing someone to retort that.

Given a population of opinions, they find an average. For example, if one person is asked how much something weighs his opinion may be way off, but overtime ask more people, and the average becomes extremely close. Same thing goes with politics, which is why most parties gravitate to the center. This is why candidates who sway too far off center usually fall out of a race. I'm not saying you're incorrect, I'm saying your analogy sucks.

I wouldn't associate politics to a bird without wings. If you need to use analogy it means you don't think the audience you're talking to understands what you're saying, and while that may be the case, I don't think you know what you're talking about.

I get what you're saying, in fact, I think we all get it. The point is, you're not bringing anything new to the table. In fact, I would expect something like this from someone who is 17 and just now forming an opinion of his/her own.

"I am not advocating bringing down this country stone by stone and building it back up.
I AM advocating bringing down the obsolete, out of date, and useless trends in this country stone by stone and using what we already have to work with to put it back, but better."

Do elaborate.

I'm saying he's incorrect for you, TOGS. The world has always been screwed up and full of unspeakable things. It's just that these things are made widely known now through mass media.

Tut, tut. The OP could have used the energy he put into this post towards killing himself. Too bad for the sake of our poor poor eyes he did not.

Originally Posted by sycld

I'm saying he's incorrect for you, TOGS. The world has always been screwed up and full of unspeakable things. It's just that these things are made widely known now through mass media.

Tut, tut. The OP could have used the energy he put into this post towards killing himself. Too bad for the sake of our poor poor eyes he did not.

I didn't want to let him down too hard you know.

itt togs takes great pains to prove to a 17 year old posting under the pseudonym darth vader that he is more intelligent

Originally Posted by jack burden

itt togs takes great pains to prove to a 17 year old posting under the pseudonym darth vader that he is more intelligent

As long as I can get one.

Or looking young.

Some people should not be given rights. I agree! We should start with Gwair and Mr. E.

I still find it odd that people on the supreme court can't view the constitution as a LIVING document.

togs what the fuck did you do to gwahir

Originally Posted by TheOriginalGrumpySpy

I still find it odd that people on the supreme court can't view the constitution as a LIVING document.

what are you talking about the framers of the constitution clearly had the foresight to predict such as things as the internet and modern medical technology down the line and wrote it for a nation in which all people had equal rights and not one in which half the white population and most of the non-white population was completely disenfranchised

i mean god togs wtf are you talking about

Originally Posted by sycld

what are you talking about the framers of the constitution clearly had the foresight to predict such as things as the internet and modern medical technology down the line and wrote it for a nation in which all people had equal rights and not one in which half the white population and most of the non-white population was completely disenfranchised

i mean god togs wtf are you talking about

if they wanted the constitution to be a living document they would have added the possibility of amendments

Originally Posted by jack burden

if they wanted the constitution to be a living document they would have added the possibility of amendments

yes because every time technology or the world change we make an amendment to reflect this change cause all congress does is make constitutional amendments all day

where are the amendments on digital property and sex change surgery

Originally Posted by gwahir

i know i know but guys like this remind me of me five years ago and i hate nobody as much as i hate me five years ago

i guess if you're under 25 and you don't hate yourself even a year ago then something is wrong

Originally Posted by jack burden

i guess if you're under 25 and you don't hate yourself even a year ago then something is wrong

i hate myself more and more each day, so i must really be doing something right

Originally Posted by Darth Vader

I lol'd.


and not being able to buy booze. just saying.

Also. Gwahir, in your infinite wisdom, why don't you enlighten us to the panacea of the left and right wings of America? If it's such a bad system, then please give us one that does better.

Why waste the time?

Originally Posted by coqauvin

also, clearly communism is the answer, but that's mostly because i want to spite ayn rand

I foresee his response to this being "Communism works in theory but human nature wont let it".

Because that is the fucking line every retard uses..