Thread: In the defense of a racist.

Okay, so I was hanging out with my friend Lisa the other day when she gets a knock of the door. She answers the door, gives that girlish squeal of surprise/joy and hugs who's on the porch. I am sitting on the couch and she brings in this tale, extremely pale guy with a shaved head, who's attire is rocking a wife-beater and dirty jeans.

"This is Dugan." Lisa says, smiling, "I met him a while back."

I go to shake his hand and stop. I kid you not, I was totally stunned when I looked at this guy's neck there is an enormous swastika tattooed from his jaw to his collarbone. Ugly as hell and c'mon, it's a fucking swastika. I shake his hand and force the awkward conversation. Let me tell you, I am so pale that I reflect sunlight thanks to my Irish heritage, but seeing someone with an actual swastika?! FUCK! I was soooo uncomfortable!

So after half an hour of Dugan and Lisa catching up, he says his goodbyes and leaves. The second the door slams I bolt up and look at Lisa, "Your friends with a white supremacist?!"

Lisa, being one of the sweetest persons in the world and yet the dimmest, gave me a blank stare.

"A racist." I clarified.

Now you see, this alarmed me because Lisa is really sweet like I had said and has no hatred for anyone... and she has had more minorities in her then a Democrate meeting hall. Needless to say this alarmed me and for some reason just shocked me to the core...that was the first time I have ever met ANYONE who displayed their hatred in such an open way.

"Well you gotta understand," Lisa said, finding the good inside everyone, "You see he was once running with a black gang...and then it turned out that the gang was just using him because he is a white guy and won't get pulled over by the cops. That hurt him so bad that he joined the Klan."

Okay the stupidity of the argument gave me a headache, but I realized that Lisa would never see the bad in anyone, even if they are a proud Klan member. I tried to point out the irony that Hitler was a big fan of killing retards and handicaps once they were born, and thus, this Dugan guy would have been killed by the man who he worships. Lisa listened with a blank stare and a frown, obviously missing what I was trying to say.

Anyway...an awkward night to say the least.

Rape her. She will look for the good in you, say you just lost control, she will understand. Your friend is a retard.

The fact that you have friends this vapid (that means stupid) says a lot about you. She's just begging to get taken advantage of time and time and time again and I don't mean sexually - although probably that too. She's not "sweet" she's "too fucking dumb to know her ass from a hole in the ground". I'd lose her before her relationship with Dugan (and who even knows someone with a name like that????) gets you your ass kicked by a very angry band of black guys. She might not have any hatred in her because she's too stupid to know any better, but other people do hate and make up for it.

Originally Posted by Cryptic

The fact that you have friends this vapid (that means stupid) says a lot about you. She's just begging to get taken advantage of time and time and time again and I don't mean sexually - although probably that too. She's not "sweet" she's "too fucking dumb to know her ass from a hole in the ground". I'd lose her before her relationship with Dugan (and who even knows someone with a name like that????) gets you your ass kicked by a very angry band of black guys. She might not have any hatred in her because she's too stupid to know any better, but other people do hate and make up for it.

I have known her since the fifth grade, and I admit, watching her go from the cheerful kid I knew to the...well, IDIOT she is now has been kind of painful for me. I hardly meet any of her new friends who, I for one, can't stand because I know they use her as a doormat. Still, I can't find myself to sever the friendship with her. Though if I am going to be judged by her and the friendship we share, I won't lose sleep about that person's opinion.

Oh, and I live in Utah. I know every black guy, Tongan (islanders), Mexican and even the four Brazilians in my home city. My racial tolerance has been established. Lol

Dude.

Unless you're hitting that, try to start distancing yourself from her.

"Your friends with a white supremacist?!

And she's supposed to be the "dim" one?

Here is the thing about this story: you are effectively criticizing a rational human being for reacting to life experiences. It never ceases to amaze me how much a liberal spin can make idiots resist their natural urge to prejudge and form initial reactions. It's like trying to put your hand in every fire to confirm you're getting burned, rather than learning from your first mistake and avoiding the fire until you've got evidence it won't burn you. It just amazes me that people actually think the "right" thing to do is to ignore all outward evidence of a person's culture, upbringing, and personal beliefs and put yourself at risk for the sake of avoiding normal prejudgment.

I'm not defending the Klan. What started as a simple fraternity for angry Southerners to air their grievances and find solidarity in a time when you couldn't trust anyone has evolved into the most backward, misguided, and otherwise worthless organization that can still grab headlines. The Klan's message, however, is absolutely 100% just as dumb as the converse liberal agenda to end prejudice and give everyone a chance.

Racism is obviously an extreme and irrational form of prejudgment (popularly maligned as "prejudice") based on skin color, but its foundation isn't untestable. "Race" as we construct is more of a cultural term crossed with simple visual appearance, but the fundamental idea that there are some groups of people (identified by culture or geographical location more than simple "white, black, red, brown" race distinctions) would be genetically superior to other groups is not ridiculous.

Likewise, the idea that cultures are inherently equal has the same liberal feel-good spin. Ethnocentrism is a natural human reaction that's been painted as this terrible, evil concept. If you were to identify the measuring points for the best culture (such as life expectancy, amount of leisure time, volume of art/expression, advancement of language, adaptability, versatility, and defendability), you could easily rank each culture and determine which is best. If one greatest culture were thereby established, why shouldn't it advance its agenda?

Atmosfear, the problem with this dude (the hitler lover) is that these groups tend to be brimming with hatred and I don't know, act on it. That is crossing the line. There will always be prejudice and I agree that the attempts to fight it can be dumb, some of the attempts embrace certain forms of discrimination and it often attacks freedom of speech, which I am against.

As naive as this is, I think I would prefer it to your typical white supremacist, they fucked it up for the rest of us. Multiculturism etc is bullshit, I agree that not all cultures are equal, I believe that the "west" is culturally superior to many other places and these supremacists fuck it up by going lynching people, commiting acts of violence and abandoning any intellectual standing in favour of douchebaggary. And now I cannot say that we are better than the sand niggers. If I do, I come across as some neo nazi faggot.

These people often embrace ignorance as an excuse for violence or a weak justification for hatred. Thinking your nation/region etc is culturally superior to another one doesn't require hatred of that culture. The lack of rational here is worse than the lack we can often see in the PC multicultural brigade. They are the greater of 2 evils. People who walk around with swastikas are either hate filled cunts, or just cunts.

Atmosfear took the macroscopic approach. I would look within the boundaries of the oh, I don't know, the American south. To recognize distribution of intelligence of people in the same ethnicity.

I would shake the guys hand and tell him I admire his work.

I've never once been jumped by a white guy. Not once.

He lives in fucking New Zealand.

Originally Posted by sycld

Oats, fuck off. Seriously.

You've never been the subject of racial prejudice either, and you have no idea how many lives the Klan has ruined or how many people they have killed.

I have no idea how many times you've been "jumped," and I'm not saying it's right, but you have no fucking clue, so just slag off.

The blacks around here are more racist than the whites.

If they want us to stop being racist they should stop giving reasons to hate them.

I don't really agree with being a total white supremacist but I can see why somebody would be.

And no I've never been a subject of racial prejudice but I have been a subject of prejudice a number of times. I don't hate blacks, I hate ignorant people and it just happens that most of them are black. If they want to hate on me for the way I dress, walk, talk or the gender of people I enjoy fornicating with then I will hate them for what ever reason I want.

Originally Posted by TheOriginalGrumpySpy

He lives in fucking New Zealand.

And?

I would love to know how hating an entire race based on the actions of a few of its members makes someone a "rational human being". Now if he'd been a POW for months and hated the Japanese because of it, maybe I'd have a little more empathy. A LITTLE more. A very little. But just because a few gangster wanna bes turned on him he's now going to kill black people?

Yeah. Real rational.

And Oats? Fuck off. Seriously. Maybe it's that kind of attitude that gets your ass beat so much. I don't dislike you because you're white, bi, or emo. I dislike you because your an ignorant little puke that's so high on himself he can't even see how ignorant he is.

It sounds like Dugan is just a confused kid. Today's Klan doesn't promote the skinhead scene, or give any credence to dressing like a punk. Today's Klan doesn't use the Swastika either.

Originally Posted by sycld

For example, it would be a great loss to all people if any one culture's literary, artistic, or musical traditions were simply lost forever.

I don't have time now to get into a serious discussion, so understand it's not that I'm trivializing the rest of your post.
The part I quoted is an especially dynamic point for me, and I just wanted to know if you would apply this concept to the black community? Do you think it would be a "great loss" if the "literary, artistic, or musical traditions" of the black race were simply lost forever?

Originally Posted by gorefinger

The part I quoted is an especially dynamic point for me, and I just wanted to know if you would apply this concept to the black community? Do you think it would be a "great loss" if the "literary, artistic, or musical traditions" of the black race were simply lost forever?

I hope you're not really serious.I mean, if you are, you're far passed just internet biggotry and ignorance.

What have black people done: Harlem Renaissance, Jazz, and peanut butter to name three.

Originally Posted by Cryptic

I would love to know how hating an entire race based on the actions of a few of its members makes someone a "rational human being". Now if he'd been a POW for months and hated the Japanese because of it, maybe I'd have a little more empathy. A LITTLE more. A very little. But just because a few gangster wanna bes turned on him he's now going to kill black people?

Yeah. Real rational.

And Oats? Fuck off. Seriously. Maybe it's that kind of attitude that gets your ass beat so much. I don't dislike you because you're white, bi, or emo. I dislike you because your an ignorant little puke that's so high on himself he can't even see how ignorant he is.

I don't hate a whole race. Fuck I dated a Māori chick for 14 months. I don't have any attitude to them, only after they gang up on me and send me and my friend to hospital because they are fucking low lives.

If I was walking down the street and a drunk black dude stumbled up and was like "sup guys havin a good night?" I'd be like "fuck yeah man what about you?" and offer him a sesh. But when 12 of them jump out and start punching me and my friend in the back of the head cause they don't even have the balls to do it face to face then I have a problem. When one of those niggers starts bragging about it to my little sister then I have a problem okay?

Originally Posted by sycld

Atmosfear... Christ.

It's not just the "liberal agenda" anymore.

First of all, I'm amazed that you are jumping so quickly to this guy's defense and calling him a "rational human being," as though you know him at all, and that his affiliation with the Klan could at all be a rational "reaction to life experiences" (now if that doesn't sound like a PC phrase, I don't know what is.) I mean I suppose you then think it's a "rational reaction to life experiences" for black people to become violently militant against white people when they too have been persecuted, right?

I didn't say he was a rational human being. In fact, I later condemned the Klan.

Originally Posted by sycld

Secondly, I'm also amazed that you are so confident about how much our tendency to prejudice in the 20th century is imposed on us by the incidences of our history and how much is "innate."

Why are you amazed? Do you believe in eugenics?

Originally Posted by sycld

As a person with a scientific bent myself, I have to say that for all I know it is possible that one genetically isolated population has on average superior intelligence in general to another genetically isolated population. But why the fuck shouldn't every human being be given as equal of a chance as possible to rise or fall based on his own merits rather than based upon whatever average characteristics his or her population of people exhibits?

Where you end depends on where you start.

Originally Posted by sycld

And then there are other questions to ask-- What is the spread in this distribution about the average? Are there are other predictors that even more strongly determine intelligence? As researchers have shown, there is generally a greater genetic spread within individual populations that there is a spread between the average genes of one population compared to another.

Depends on the size of the population and the traits you're selecting for.

Originally Posted by sycld

There is more evidence that ethnocentricism is something which is a bit more innate than we once thought. Nonetheless, if there is an innate tendency to be ethnocentric, does that make it "good" to feel that way? Is nepotism in every single context necessarily good? There are positive expressions of ethnic pride as well as ones which are by and large harmful, just as there are positive expressions of love for family just as there are ones which are harmful.

If every culture is ethnocentric, why is it our responsibility to rise above?

Originally Posted by sycld

Also, there are certainly some aspects of all cultures which are "equal" in the sense that one culture's counterpart shouldn't completely displace another's. For example, it would be a great loss to all people if any one culture's literary, artistic, or musical traditions were simply lost forever. On the other hand, I'm not going to argue that it's okay for women to be marginalized or for slaves to be held just because it's occurring in another culture.

It would only be a loss to the limited number of people who would have been exposed to it, would have enjoyed it, and would have paid to have it protected.

Originally Posted by Oats

If I was walking down the street and a drunk black dude stumbled up and was like "sup guys havin a good night?" I'd be like "fuck yeah man what about you?" and offer him a sesh. But when 12 of them jump out and start punching me and my friend in the back of the head cause they don't even have the balls to do it face to face then I have a problem. When one of those niggers starts bragging about it to my little sister then I have a problem okay?

Can't the same be said for any group of people?

If you haven't noticed togs i hate every group of people.

Oh, of that, I'm aware.

Originally Posted by TheOriginalGrumpySpy

Can't the same be said for any group of people?

Originally Posted by Oats

I've never once been jumped by a white guy. Not once.

Originally Posted by TheOriginalGrumpySpy

I hope you're not really serious.I mean, if you are, you're far passed just internet biggotry and ignorance.

What have black people done: Harlem Renaissance, Jazz, and peanut butter to name three.

I said "Great loss". I hope you're not really saying that the Harlem Renaissance, jazz, and peanut butter are even with The Renaissance, The Baroque Era, and The US Constitution.


I'm being a little sarcastic, but I didn't even state my opinion in the post you quoted. So the way I see it you're the one being ignorant and judgmental.

This is a fantastic story.
I can't wait until I get my confederate flag tattoo on my back. My whole back.

Hey hey der cracka, us niggas has done loads for music, we was da fore runners to what is now known as rock and all that has spawned from it, we is da ones that showed da world how pimpin da electric guitar was. We also done alot in sports yo.

Another reason why I dislike neo nazis, it is direspectful to the memory of those who fought and those who died fighting those bastards, the death and destruction those fuckers brought into the world was just terrible and any attempt to affiliate yourself with them is a fucking disgrace, you don't need to be a neo nazi to be a white supremacist.

Originally Posted by MrTroy

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"a" is an indefinite article you moron

Originally Posted by djwolford

que le fuck?

lol

A light, romantic rape would probably be a good idea. She sounds like a stoner chick.

Originally Posted by MrTroy

I believe the context you were using it in was to address his specifically, not a general classification. As in him specifically and not "a person".

You continue believing whatever the fuck you want and I'll continue being a primary source on the subject, fuckwit.

Originally Posted by simonj

Perhaps not worded like that but yes, black culture has offered more to today's music than literally anything else. If you really think it wouldn't be a great loss then go throw away ALL of your music made post 1930 (assuming any pre-30s music isn't already blues/jazz).

Not to mention black literature. In 100-200 years time "I Know Why The Caged Bird Sings" or "The Colour Purple" or "Beloved" or "Roots: The Saga of an American Family" will stand up to any of the other 'classics' of literature we already have. They're just relatively new and modern and so are looked upon differently. But dismissing the contributions of entire cultures because it doesn't fit into some traditionalist hoity toity view of what art should be makes you a cunt.

For the sake of argument, I'm going to be generous and just say that you're REALLY reaching by claiming that "black culture has offered more to today's music than literally anything else". Or that, Alice Walker, or Maya Angelou will be as historically revered as Shakespeare, or Mark Twain, or Gertrude Stein, or Ernest Hemingway, or George Orwell, or Walt Whitman, or fuckin' Simias of Rhodes?

I guess my next question to you would be:

If you had the choice to live in a world stripped of either African culture, or European culture, which would you choose?

I would choose the world without African culture

Originally Posted by gorefinger

For the sake of argument, I'm going to be generous and just say that you're REALLY reaching by claiming that "black culture has offered more to today's music than literally anything else".

Then I'll be generous and assume that you know absolutely fuck all about popular music. Take away the underpinning blues root, the african rhythms and the Jamaican influences and all your left with is practically nothing.

Or that, Alice Walker, or Maya Angelou will be as historically revered as Shakespeare, or Mark Twain, or Gertrude Stein, or Ernest Hemingway, or George Orwell, or Walt Whitman, or fuckin' Simias of Rhodes?

Shakespeare's legacy has revolutionised the English Language but aside from that then, yes. They are just as creative and just as effective as the rest and just as inspirational.

I guess my next question to you would be:

If you had the choice to live in a world stripped of either African culture, or European culture, which would you choose?

I would choose the world without African culture

Well practically all of European culture is now archaic and our societies are somewhat based on it, but just because their influence runs further down the river does not mean the flow is any stronger and the societies of tomorrow will be just as rooted in these 'multicultures' as we are in European cultures.

AI out of AI

Come to Detroit.

Then you will know why niggers are bad, bad monkeys.

Atmosfear I understand why you would be interested in protecting a group's rights or someone's personal agenda, but seriously, it is difficult to defend against someone who wishes and will inflict bodily harm against anyone who does not fit in with their ideals. It's not liberal, it's not conservative, it's dangerous. I know for the fact that this guy has attacked other "gangs" (can the Klan be considered a gang?) in the intent to do harm or kill.

If someone wishes to be ignorant or racist, so be it, we cannot fix that. If someone is going to take it to the extreme to hurt, that is when we should intervene or attempt to stop them. In my humble opinion of course.

Originally Posted by sycld

but I think you are detestable people, and even though I guess I do enjoying interacting with you online, I wouldn't be able to tolerate you in real life.

I mean I feel that way about almost everyone on the internet.