Day 6 ends.
WellAdjusted - Brit
Night 6 begins.
Day 6 ends.
WellAdjusted - Brit
Night 6 begins.
(WellAdjusted was Jade Goody)Code:votes against voted to flush Atmoscheer 1 WellAdjusted MrShrike 0 WellAdjusted ShitFace 0 WellAdjusted 3 Atmoscheer zuelan 0 WellAdjusted
Night 6 ends.
The remaining Shit smothered Atmoscheer in his sleep, buried him, then dug up the corpse for hanging in the town square. The players finally recognize Atmoscheer as their British hero, Oliver Cromwell.
Day 7 begins now and ends on Saturday, September 11 at 2 AM EDT.
Last edited by mutton; 09-09-2010 at 06:43 AM.
British arsehole you mean.
So yeah Zuelan and Atmosfear do you believe me now that it's not Well Adjusted?
/flush Shitface
oOoOoOoOoo fapfapfapOriginally Posted by mutton
(WellAdjusted was Jade Goody)
pre-lynch
lol
damn
lmaopre-lynch
/flush shitface
The game ends.
As Britney "ShitFace" Spears plunges to her death, it dawns on us that the Brits just lost the game. Who is the remaining Shit? Figure it out before you click the spoiler.Code:votes against voted to flush MrShrike 0 ShitFace ShitFace 2 zuelan 0 ShitFace
Spoiler
Thoughts:
Lynching scyld on Day 1 was bad: After the first game he knew it'd be a good idea to not attract attention to himself if he were a Shit, and there was no reason for him not to try again. It's better to keep disinterested Brits alive than to lynch them obviously.
coqauvin outed himself first in post #175:
No Brits noticed. He posted about this again explicitly in post #192 and his teammate was the one to point it out. You guys need to read carefully. Also, this cleared Atmoscheer as a Brit. If you still had doubts about him (simonj), you were way too paranoid.
WellAdjusted: Your votes were totally unreasonable.
I already said I randomized the roles so MrShrike saying ShitFace = Shit because of his name so late in the game should evoke suspicion again or some comment that he is dumb.
Regarding the speed of this game, we had a kill every 2.5 calendar days whereas the first game had a kill every 3.5 days.
MUHAHAHAHAHA
Well done Coqauvin, Snead.
Too bad townies, unfortunately most of you sucked. HARD. Even Atmosfear whom I give more credit to than most, fell for some pretty simple reverse psychology tricks and an excess of predictability. I knew I wasn't going to outsmart him on strategy, so instead I remembered Machiavelli's admonition that friends can be unreliable, but an enemy you can always trust to behave like an enemy. Most of you thought I was just crazy rather than malevolent. Although I confess my initial attack on Simonj, aimed at improving the odds for Coq who was facing a 2 way split vote, was rushed, poorly done and probably unnecessary.
By the way KT, your unexplained vote for Coqauvin on the 2nd day gave you away as the Sheriff, as Mutton can confirm. At that point I knew I had kill the Sheriff or risk being exposed...a simple read through of the thread from the beginning made it pretty obvious that you investigated Coqauvin the very first night (as one might expect)
Last edited by MrShrike; 09-11-2010 at 03:04 AM.
yeah for the record
voting town is always a bad idea, and sycld wasn't playing anything like he was in the last game.
I wasn't a big fan of the hard deadline and lack of a majority vote as a mechanic in this game. It kind of forces any conversation and mafia hunting out the window and just hope the random votes hit the right people unless mafia are dumb enough to out themselves through bad play.
Atmosfear, I was surprised that you trusted MrShrike enough to give him the Nurse's identity. Actually, I was surprised that, in a field of 9~ players, you gave the identity away to almost half of them. A better play would've been using different names for each player you gave it to with only one obvious townie getting the real one. When that player dies randomly in the night, you'll have a better time of narrowing down who it is.
Snead, you jerk. That's all.
No, she investigated Infernus on Night 1, as Atmosfear revealed.
Conversation and mafia hunting are just as important (more important, as I argued). Only idiots vote randomly and they're going to do it regardless of the format, as we saw in the two games.
That's true, but the convos to get clues as to who is mafia or not takes time, and considering the activity level vs. the deadline, it felt forced. people were getting lynched with 2 votes, which is less than the amount of mafia in the game in the first place.
Oh, well maybe it the second night and her following actions gave it away. Or maybe I just made a lucky guess.
Funnily enough, that's exactly what I argued with him at the time, privately. Although he'd already decided how to do it by then without my input, so I was merely legitimising myself.
I think either way is arguable and has pros and cons depending on the situation.
I only had 'doubts' about atmosfear because, at that time, I hadn't received any PMs, no-one had come forward saying they had receieved PMs (&, as I think I stated, nor should they have) and it wasn't yet revealed where Infernus stood so, from my view at least, I had no reason to believe him other than his word. I was only throwing that scenario out there because I thought it needed to be out there and I wanted to do so before I died (which I expected to, soon). I did TRY and explain that it was an extremely unlikely hypothetical but by that point Shrike had already led a bandwagon against me and I died.
I was always fairly suspicious of MrShrike but after I died he made it pretty clear he was mafia several times. The way you all completely failed to notice this means you deserved to lose.
The difference was you were looking at it from a different perspective. There was quite a few PM's and other shennanigans going on in the background that all served to make me look innocent, and which made other things which might otherwise looked suss instead looked perfectly legitimate.
Frankly I probably would have fallen for it to.
That's why I'm using QuickTopic for the Mafia in my upcoming game and forbidding private messaging. I used to think it added a layer of intrigue, but it's mostly just who can buddy up and lie convincingly in private, 1 on 1. Mafia, to me, is more about lying publically and getting away with it, or convincing people publically, rather than 1 on 1, where it's much easier to sway or voice a discussion and let little things slide without realizing it.
i'm too lazy to review the thread but i thought mrshrike was confirmed as a townsperson via PMs, so i just assumed that was correct
well anyways well played mrshrike
Well I was right. I handed it to you but shitface was fucking afk faggot
As if it wasn't obvious enough Shrike was mafia at this point, it was pretty obvious that ShitFace wasn't mafia when he responded to /lynch ShitFace with 'lol'
Nah that was perfect. That's when I knew I had it won.
I won't say his absence was why I won, but it probably would have been much harder to indict him as guilty if he had been an active player.
Last edited by MrShrike; 09-11-2010 at 07:37 PM.
It's hard to believe that ShitFace would remain silent and not vote as a Shit while PMing me every night. In the first game I linked to a thread where he played actively as a mafioso.
This is an argument against majority vote. If no one gets lynched, the mafia gains advantage. In this specific case, there wouldn't have been a 50% chance of lynching a mafiaso (you).
3 full days allowed for sufficient conversation imo. infernus/sponge/zuelan were around before that deadline and chose to not vote, not to mention the inactive assholes.
No, she investigated Atmosfear on Night 2, as he revealed.
Bah, I still guessed it right. Did she ever investigate him or was it truly just a lucky guess by me?
I think what made it at least somewhat convincing was when Snead, who had also been conspicuously absent in much the same way, got lynched and turned out to be a Shit. If there was 1 mafia apparently working in the background (even though Snead never voted on anything but they weren't to know that), why not a 2nd?
Last edited by MrShrike; 09-12-2010 at 08:43 AM.
I only investigated Infernus and Atmosfear before I was killed. I knew Coqauvin was a shit even before he supposedly gave it away though (Casual Discourse - View Single Post - [Mafia 2] Brit or Shit).
So yeah, it was sort of a lucky guess on your part.
I knew I had to get the investigator at that point and it was actually that accusation that made me write to mutton:
And here I was thinking I was being very clever, when in fact you actually did catch him out.
Last edited by MrShrike; 09-12-2010 at 06:27 PM.
I'm more curious as to how zuelan couldn't figure it out even with shitface being a fucking idiot.
And how did kt know she was going to die when she PM'd me and infernus?
Protip, zuelan, when someone accuses a proven town who divulged identities of special roles of setting him up to look mafia, then claims he wishes he had never known the identities at all, and flips out when it is suggested that he be lynched the next day before a vote is cast, it's probably a good bet that he's mafia and the other player (who also was never active during the night periods) is just a fuckhead who isn't active but didn't get culled earlier because there were a million inactive faggots.
I had a feeling.
Plus, if I were a shit I would probably kill me at that point too. I was the first person to find Coqauvin suspicious, and I stayed adamant about lynching him which lead to his eventual death. Either I was an awesome deducer or the smeller (or in my case fuckin both.)
Well truth be told, I could have saved you that night by passing the info to sponge, but I had no way of knowing if you were really the sheriff, or were just a mafia bluffing away my protection (getting me to shift sponge's protection from me to you so y'all could kill me that night.) Its possible I played that wrong, but it worked out for us.
again i'll have to review the thread but i'm positive someone said shitface was actually checking the thread on a regular basis, but wasn't posting
so yeah, i also assumed that was correct and decided not to check for myself (big mistake)
this was actually my first game and i learned a valuable lesson (always double check "facts")
seriously if i had known shitface was really AFK i'd lynched mrshrike on the last day
edit:that was the post i saw, i thought mrshrike was pretty much cleared by now and believed him, big mistake, if i had checked shitface's profile i'd seen he was actually afk and i'd voted mrshrike right there and then
o well, game is over lesson learnt
Last edited by zuelan; 09-13-2010 at 06:40 PM.
Actually, shitface had logged in enough to make him also seem suspicious.
i see, well you were the only one that seriously suspected mrshrike wayyy before the game was coming to an end, not to mention you were also lynched for pretty much no good reason, so if anyone can say "jesus you guys sucked ass" it would be you, and mrshrike too actually, IMHO
It's alright. Until the end I thought you'd played before.
In the interest of improving the overall level of play, I'll break down the last day for you. You didn't need much context to show that mrshrike was mafia, but shithead being a complete faggot still gave us no better than 50-50 odds of winning since it wouldve tied the last vote.
The mistake he made was in protesting when I threatened him after ShitFace. He was clearly protesting because he knew the outcome of the lynch. At the time, this made him far more suspicious than ShitFace, who was no more or less oblivious than usual. Then mrshrike made a nonsensical rant about wishing I hadn't told him about sponge so he wouldn't be suspicious, and that it was a frame. The truth is that every town is trying to find as much information as possible. Knowledge is NEVER a liability, unless it is disinformation. Once I was killed (which was a stupid play) and it was confirmed beyond even unreasonable doubt that I was town, it just further proved that I couldn't have been trying to setup an innocent town.
If you look back, youll see all throughout the game, mrshrike committed other rookie mistakes. He lynches without motive and lynched back his accusers (compare to me asking the people who accuse me why they've done so to gain info, or just ignoring them.)
And coq, the reason I didn't give out false information to squeeze more directly is that no one would trust it even if it worked. It's better to act in confirmable fashion when you aren't posting publicly, because the longer the game lasts, the more innocent you prove to be. And, for what it's worth, at the time I suspected mrshrike was a dumb town and shitface was a silent mafia. When Snead proved mafia, I wasn't as worried about shitface and mrshrike kept slipping more and more.
That's also why I didn't bother lynching shitface the second-last day.
Actually, I was very careful to only tell the truth about this, although I did consider bullshitting on the last day to sway the vote towards Shitface if necessary, as I suspected you weren't double-checking. His piping up with "lol" made me laugh my ass off as I knew that clinched it.
At the end I knew you had reason to suspect me, but with the aid of your townies you'd gotten yourself to the point where you had screwed yourself, so I didn't really care because no-one was going to believe you. By threatening you and forcing you to take out well-adjusted instead, you still left me with the "shitface alibi" to rely on and still virtually no credibility with which to push for my lynching.
I agree I did play like a rookie, probably because this was the first game of mafia I've ever played.If you look back, youll see all throughout the game, mrshrike committed other rookie mistakes. He lynches without motive and lynched back his accusers (compare to me asking the people who accuse me why they've done so to gain info, or just ignoring them.)
But I think I played the psychological aspect pretty well, even if I failed a bit on the game logic and made a few elemental slip ups. With so many other rookies, they weren't fatal errors as it turns out.
There was also several times in the earlier game where you were about to take me out and had the votes if you had wanted them, but which I managed to turn around with a few convincing tricks (e.g. the "gotcha cunt" pm).
You even overlooked that the fact that the day after you attacked me directly and were ready to lead a full vote because of my simonj vote, the mafia tried to nightkill you (unsuccessfully). Although I admit there was a bit of wine in front of me logic to that move (too obvious!) that might have saved me anyway. At the end even when you say were pretty sure it was me, you just didn't have any kudos with the other players anyway and that was your downfall.
Last edited by MrShrike; 09-13-2010 at 09:30 PM.
You're forgetting a few things here.
1) Snead had done exactly the same thing as Shitface and had been proven guilty.
2) They were all expecting crazy theories from me, because I'd played a Cassandra the whole game (and prior to it, I admit) and you in particular told them I was f'ing crazy, creating a perfectly alibi for almost any crazy thing I could say. Why would you expect 1 more crazy theory to make them suspicious?
I'm on a phone but the only line I read was that you somehow "turned the town against me" which is a fucking joke since I was proven 100% to be town when infernus died and was town. There's no way for a mafia to fake a pm from the sheriff if a dead town confirms the same PM.
And you didn't force me to kill WellAdjusted. We had a free guess before crunchtime because we couldn't lose that night. I tried to lynch WellAdjusted because, if you actually were an idiot town, she was the only one that couldve been mafia. When it came down to you or ShitFace, I figured zuelan would see that too, confirmed 100% with my death.
Whether the town wins the first day or the last, everyone wins.
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