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    Quote Originally Posted by Think View Post
    p.s Kt if this works, then you switch me and simonj and I'll switch you and simonj and if we're all three alive tomorrow we'll lynch him
    Yeah, I don't see how this will prove anything at all. If we do this, all the Zombie will have to do is target one of us and then we still don't know anything.

    Also Coq, what happens if we do move on to tonight, we both use our roles how Think described, and the remaining Zombie targets simonj? Does that mean both Think and I are killed instead?

    The more I think about it honestly, I'm shocked that Coq would have to Town roles that do practically the same thing. I guess there is a possibility that Think is lying about his role in hopes of me changing my vote from simonj to Woofness. IF Think is truly a Zombie, I would think his main motivation to lie about his role would be because I guessed the right person and simonj is really a Zombie. For me, the safest bet is to keep my vote the same, unless I get some undeniable proof that simonj isn't a Zombie or there is a much better target.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KT. View Post
    Also Coq, what happens if we do move on to tonight, we both use our roles how Think described, and the remaining Zombie targets simonj? Does that mean both Think and I are killed instead?
    Let me put it this way: If there is the barest possibility one faction has to win, I won't call the game. This includes taking night actions into account. I will, however, confirm one thing - there are no bulletproof roles in this game.
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    OK Guys, this is a pretty fucked up game. My role is the town rickshaw driver and guess what my ability is? Yes I can switch two players too..

    K.T I am guessing that coqauvin told you last minute that you could target yourself because I asked him that question when I submitted my decision. Anyhow last night I switched K.T and Atmosfear, which made me fairly certain of her innocence through the same reasoning she mentioned above.

    Think, what are you playing at!? the only people who have any evidence that they are townies so far are the ones you choose to lynch?
    I'm pretty sure its Vengeful Scars and Simonj now but obviously we have to vote together. So for the moment Lynch Simonj
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    Firstly, sorry for not being here sooner.
    You're a crazy motherfucker! You don't like letting the man decide what's what in your life. You get up to acts of public mischief all the fuckin' time, because you're just hard-core dedicated to the cause, man. And it gets you laid. Because you hate the man's order of things, each night you sneak out and switch the numbers for two houses. Anyone who targets one will instead target the other.
    That's my role. I switched myself and Atmoscheer. Wasn't going to bring it up because I'd be a sure target tonight. But as I now seem to be a sure target today I'll at least give you this information now.

    As for the bandwagon thing, I don't see how that 'proves' I'm mafia. I think it's far more relevant to judge the next day reactions to the first lynch/kill than it is to charge in and be paranoid about first day actions. I thought it better to lynch WA than no-one due to the high chance of her being mafia in such a small game.

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    Ok, well someone is lying unless this is a fucking crazy game and everyone is a townie with switching powers

    You're an eccentric cabbie! You drive people around from place to place at night, but it turns out you don't always listen to the directions. Or pay attention to who's in your cab. Or let them out where they want to be. At all. At least you aren't a psychopath, right? Each night, you can select two players you want swapped. All actions targetting one will instead target the other!

    You win when there are no threats remaining to the town. Good luck!

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    I'm going to vote to unlynch simonj right now.

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    Where's Vengeful Scars? I want to hear what he has to say.

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    You must excuse me, my work has kinda stepped in my involvement so far.

    I don't see why Coq would make almost everyone have the ability to switch. or something along those lines.


    "You're a call girl! You have no morals and it doesn't matter who you bang, what you bang, or how many of whatever it is you're banging. Your townsfolk enjoys your company because each night you can select a player to block from taking night actions. You're pretty talented from all those years of debauchery, so it's no surprise they'd rather spend the night with you."

    So in a sense I'm KT. I think right now I'm counting 4 or 5 people with almost the exact same roles, which could make this game unbeatable for one side or the other, so I think at least 3 or 4 of you are lying. I blocked Atmoscheer last night, because I am always certain he is a mafioso, as well as a great player in these games.

    My blockage didn't stop his death though.

    But I really, really, doubt this town is filled with 6 car drivers and a whore.
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    and If that is the case, then I must be one busy young lady.
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    I think Think and Woofness should reveal exactly what their roll descriptions are and then determine which of the 5 of us seems most likely to be lying.

    Besides myself, the person I think is most likely not to be lying is Think, only because he revealed right after me that he too is a role switcher. If he was a Zombie and was going to lie about what his power is I think he would have chosen something else. I mean, who really expected Coq to assign two townies with the same power, let alone four?

    Both simonj's and Vengeful Scar's role descriptions seem like something Coq would write, however simonj is pretty smart and I wouldn't put it past him to be able to come up with a role description like that. And really, VS isn't that dumb...

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    "You must be strong! You pull a rickshaw around the city all day, sweatin' and runnin' while getting paid fucking peanuts. So you do it at night, too. Each night, you can select two players you want swapped. Any night actions targetting one instead target the other. By Goodness, Mr. Woofness, I hope you don't cause too much of a ruckus!

    You win when no threats remain to the town. Good luck!"
    woof.. i'm not happy about this. Its easy enough now for the other players to imitate the same thing to give an apparent show of innocence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KT. View Post
    I think Think and Woofness should reveal exactly what their roll descriptions are and then determine which of the 5 of us seems most likely to be lying.
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    You are the 2010 Piggy Back Champion! With your arms of steel and broad, powerful shoulders, you can give anyone a ride, anywhere, anytime. You have become a vehicle that's potentially better than a horse? Check out Llanwrtyd Wells next year to make sure. Each night you can target 2 players to swap. Any actions targetting one will instead target the other. They're asleep when you do it! Creepy!
    Quote Originally Posted by KT. View Post
    Besides myself, the person I think is most likely not to be lying is Think, only because he revealed right after me that he too is a role switcher. If he was a Zombie and was going to lie about what his power is I think he would have chosen something else. I mean, who really expected Coq to assign two townies with the same power, let alone four?

    Both simonj's and Vengeful Scar's role descriptions seem like something Coq would write, however simonj is pretty smart and I wouldn't put it past him to be able to come up with a role description like that. And really, VS isn't that dumb...
    It's possible though one would have thought unlikely that zombies may have vehicle powers too.
    Quote Originally Posted by coqauvin View Post
    You are in "Lynch wrong and you lose" mode, now.[/B]
    Also, I don't see how this can possibly be guaranteed if townies can switch night kills... zombies are killing rather than converting, right? And there are two of them, yes? (These are genuine or rhetorical dempending on whether you want to answer)

    Woofness started the day the most suspect, due to his unfortunate and embarrassingly premature bandwagon lynchhammering yesterday.
    At best, he has got to this stage of the day just as suspicious, given how little having a vehicle role or being protected by it has been shown to mean (kt and I both protected him so he likely WASN'T repeat WAS NOT attacked last night); in addition his logic and contributions have tended towards the illegitimate and obfuscatory

    Quote Originally Posted by Woofness View Post
    Think, what are you playing at!? the only people who have any evidence that they are townies so far are the ones you choose to lynch?
    I don't see any evidence that you are a townie... that was what I had established just a little earlier.

    Quote Originally Posted by Woofness View Post
    K.T I am guessing that coqauvin told you last minute that you could target yourself because I asked him that question when I submitted my decision. Anyhow last night I switched K.T and Atmosfear, which made me fairly certain of her innocence through the same reasoning she mentioned above
    just so that I understand this, if I switch atmosfear and woofness, and so does kt, and simonj swaps himself and atmosfear, and woofness swaps KT and atmosfear, and we assume wooofness is attacked, it gets swapped to atmosfear and swapped back so that (presumably!) kt, simonj, woofness die, right? whereas if kt was attacked, it would swap to atmosfear and then to simonj and woofness and from woofness back to atmosfear, right? And mutatis mutandis if simonj were attacked.
    On that logic, that simonj and kt are both still alive points clearly to either woofness or simonj lying/ either kt or simonj being zombie infected depending on the game rules.
    Of those options I have most reason to expect that woofness is lying
    /lynch woofness

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    But I mean I am still open to counterarguments
    It is entirely possible that simonj and kt are zombies for all I know
    I think I'm most confident that VS is town, but I'm fairly sure of KT.. I think

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    Think, I implore you to reconsider.
    Your conclusions are hasty at best. I cant pretend I understand whats happened entirely with so many of the same people being switched.

    At the moment with the roles that have been exposed I still think VS and Simonj are suspect. Think I am not sure I followed your convoluted reasoning but I can assure you I am not a zombie.

    (hurried reply i will be back tomorrow.. GMT. dont lynch me!!)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Think View Post
    Also, I don't see how this can possibly be guaranteed if townies can switch night kills... zombies are killing rather than converting, right? And there are two of them, yes? (These are genuine or rhetorical dempending on whether you want to answer)
    You're correct, it's not a given that the game will end with a lynch now. I was premature. Sorry guys!

    Also, yes, there is no converting with the zombies. That was all flavour.
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    Current Votecount

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    Not Voting: KT., simonj
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    Going to /lynch Vengeful Scars because I would understand if all the town players had action-switching abilities but don't understand why only one would have role-blocking ability. Aside from that, the description that Scars gave sounds the most made-up of the lot. Totally not in Coq's writing voice at all. Think's reasoning about Woofness kind of makes sense to me but I also know how good Think is at using his cerebral nature to deflect suspicion from himself. Besides, with the Spartacus nature of the switching roles I'm not sure we're likely to sort that out in this day phase.

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    Here's proof that neither Think nor I can be Zombies. (Red normal is who was targeted. Red bold is who would be killed)










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    According to my charts, Woofness, Simonj, and VS are all equally likely subjects. The only people who are proved innocent are Think and me.

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    there's the more thorough exposition, good work
    please note that whilst vengeful scars could be a zombie, structurally, either simonj or woofness needs to be lying about their night action
    therefore, one of them is our best bet
    They both completed the bandwagon last night, but woofness ensured lynchhammer, so I lean towards him for purely that reason

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vengeful Scars View Post
    Let's get this party rolling

    /Lynch KT she started the bandwagon on WA, and got rid of a (presumably) important part of the town folke
    I find this suspicious

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    You must excuse me, my work has kinda stepped in my involvement so far.

    I don't see why Coq would make almost everyone have the ability to switch. or something along those lines.


    "You're a call girl! You have no morals and it doesn't matter who you bang, what you bang, or how many of whatever it is you're banging. Your townsfolk enjoys your company because each night you can select a player to block from taking night actions. You're pretty talented from all those years of debauchery, so it's no surprise they'd rather spend the night with you."

    So in a sense I'm KT. I think right now I'm counting 4 or 5 people with almost the exact same roles, which could make this game unbeatable for one side or the other, so I think at least 3 or 4 of you are lying. I blocked Atmoscheer last night, because I am always certain he is a mafioso, as well as a great player in these games.

    My blockage didn't stop his death though.

    But I really, really, doubt this town is filled with 6 car drivers and a whore.
    I think this is just trying to add confusion. There is no way that 3 or 4 of us are lying. Only two people are lying, the two Zombies.

    Quote Originally Posted by simonj View Post
    Going to /lynch Vengeful Scars because I would understand if all the town players had action-switching abilities but don't understand why only one would have role-blocking ability. Aside from that, the description that Scars gave sounds the most made-up of the lot. Totally not in Coq's writing voice at all.
    The more I re-read his description, the more is does sound fake. "Your townsfolk enjoys your company because each night you can select a player to block from taking night actions." This sentence is poorly written, especially compared to the other descriptions Coq has written in the past. Also, it doesn't make any sense for the town to be filled with people with switching powers except one person. (I'm positive that both Atmosfear and WellAdjusted had the same powers since Coq refused to tell me what those powers were.)

    Anyway lynch Vengeful Scars

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    I'm going to step back for a moment and think about this but I think that lynching VS is sub-optimal today

    EDIT: Oh, just btw, if VS doesn't have a blocking power then atmosfear used a switching power last night and ALL your beautiful charts are utterly meaningless
    Last edited by Think; 09-28-2010 at 10:14 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Think View Post
    there's the more thorough exposition, good work
    please note that whilst vengeful scars could be a zombie, structurally, either simonj or woofness needs to be lying about their night action
    therefore, one of them is our best bet
    They both completed the bandwagon last night, but woofness ensured lynchhammer, so I lean towards him for purely that reason
    I also agree Woofness is a zombie, although maybe for different reasons. For one thing his description is different than everyone else's because his description includes his name. Also the word 'will' in this sentence is missing: "Any night actions targetting one [will] instead target the other" (Although I could be over-analyzing and Coq made a typo)

    Quote Originally Posted by Woofness View Post
    woof.. i'm not happy about this. Its easy enough now for the other players to imitate the same thing to give an apparent show of innocence.
    By complaining about having to reveal the description, I feel like Woofness is trying to hard to appear as town.

    Also, with the current voting record for today:

    if simonj is zombie, by voting against VS, that means Woofness is zombie
    however Woofness is voting against simonj, thus aligning himself with VS
    (VS by voting for me, could be aligned with either Woofness or Simonj)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Think View Post
    I'm going to step back for a moment and think about this but I think that lynching VS is sub-optimal today

    EDIT: Oh, just btw, if VS doesn't have a blocking power then atmosfear used a switching power last night and ALL your beautiful charts are utterly meaningless
    Fuck, I didn't think about this. However, even if VS doesn't have blocking powers, would Atmosfear's switching powers still work since he was killed?

    I am willing to switch to vote against Woofness if simonj agrees.

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    /unlynch Vengeful Scars /lynch woofness

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    unlynch VS

    lynch woofness

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    /unlynch woofness

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    whoa, what happened?

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    Yeah, I'm confused as to why you did that too.

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    That was what I wanted until I realised you two would rapidly do it

    cold feet

    well, what's done is done
    I just hope to God you're townies

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    omg, we're not getting married.

    My choices are either Woofness or VS. I really don't care which one because I believe they're both Zombies

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    Quote Originally Posted by KT. View Post
    omg, we're not getting married.

    My choices are either Woofness or VS. I really don't care which one because I believe they're both Zombies
    This.

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    Think, if you're planning on lynching Woofness, I think you need to officially re-lynch him.

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    yes, ok, /lynch woofness

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    KT, you're a mean ol' bitch
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    NIGHT 3 BEGINS

    woof woof woof

    The town hangs woofness, but his body stays still after a minute or so. A closer examination of the dog collar on his fursuit reveals the tag "Woofness, Town Rickshaw Driver".

    Poor old boy. He's a in a better place now.


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    yeah obviously we'd all suck our alternate universe dicks there was never any question about that
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    I don't know if Obama did anything to make that happen, but I do know that he didn't do anything to stop me from blaming him.

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    DAY 3 BEGINS

    The sun rises on the shattered remains of the non-zombie settlement. There was a lot of gas burned and a lot of piggybacking done, and the town arises late in the morning to view the aftermath.

    In the middle of the town square, there is a body, torn to shreds in zombie fury, no doubt. But things didn't go according to plan. Apparently, in the confusion and all, the zombie's targets got mistaken.

    A body lies on the ground. Vengeful Scars, the Zombie Whore has been ripped apart by, well, the fucking zombies, who else? The town breathes a sigh of relief that they get to see another day.


    With 3 alive, it's 2 to lynch.
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    I don't know if Obama did anything to make that happen, but I do know that he didn't do anything to stop me from blaming him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vengeful Scars View Post
    KT, you're a mean ol' bitch
    this has got to be a red herring
    I think I'm in for a penny in for a pound with kt anyway
    /lynch simonj

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    actually, /unlynch simonj
    much better would be:
    what was your night action last night?
    First person to answer plausibly can vote with me, first person to answer impossibly will get my vote to lynch
    (just confirming you one last time, kt, you understand)

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