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Thread: [Mafia 5] Werewolves of Casualton --- Day 1

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    Quote Originally Posted by Think View Post
    hoping that mrshrike will change the rule
    this could be a good game were it not for that
    Coq and I have already explained that there are a vast number of rules tweaks needed, in addition to the fact that the bedrock mechanic of the game is completely broken, especially at the game size we play with. I'm all for giving it another go, but this setup needs a lot more work. This game is over, let's go with a proven game in the meantime.

    (PS: I tried to tell you that Van Helsing was invincible.)

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    Yeah I realised before that using the Bar to kill the Werewolves could be used as an exploit, but I obviously just didn't go far enough to fix it.

    It can be fixed very easily however, despite all Atmoscheers crowing about it.

    All that needs to change is that the Werewolf or Werewolves aren't identified if they are in the bar.

    I'll assign a new Werewolf and Van Helsing randomly.
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    limit the amount of people allowed in the bar
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    yeah obviously we'd all suck our alternate universe dicks there was never any question about that
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    I don't know if Obama did anything to make that happen, but I do know that he didn't do anything to stop me from blaming him.

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    seriously
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    yeah obviously we'd all suck our alternate universe dicks there was never any question about that
    Quote Originally Posted by Atmosfear
    I don't know if Obama did anything to make that happen, but I do know that he didn't do anything to stop me from blaming him.

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    Rightyo, can't hurt. We'll make it Barkeep + 2

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    That also makes identifying the Werewolf or not irrelevant

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    Ok players re-assigned, and rules updated.

    Day 1 Begins (again)

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    it's not fixed


    Van Helsing PM me.

    If I get multiple PMs from players claiming to be Van Helsing, I'll make it public and we'll have an easy win. Don't fuck with me, Werewolf.


    Here is our advantage: When the game has 7 players, as long as 4 of them are known town (that is to say, Van Helsing and 2 people who are holed up in the bar with me), the town automatically wins. Depending on the day/night this occurs, we'll either lynch to go 4-2 or Van Helsing will kill a werewolf that night, and they will kill him to make it 3-2. Then we can lynch and hole up to safety. Note: innocent townies will die, but that is part of the role of the townie.

    So, all we have to do is get to 7 players with 4 confirmed, (Van Helsing would be nice, too, but we can win without him alive.)

    Van Helsing will reveal himself to me, and the town will lynch someone who isn't him (just follow my vote.) Tonight, I'll let two people into the bar. I'll reveal these two people to Van Helsing. If we die tonight, he will know who the werewolf is and we can lynch him. If we live, then we will confirm two townies and we'll have the 4 confirmed town players we need.

    Van Helsing will kill someone tonight, and the werewolf will convert someone. We will then be down to 9 players--2 Werewolves, 1 Barkeep, 1 Van Helsing, 2 confirmed town, and 3 unconfirmed town. Everyone will follow my lynch vote, and we'll probably kill another townie. That night, Van Helsing will kill someone (again probably a townie), as will a Werewolf (can't convert twice in a row.) We'll then be down to 7 players: 5 town, 2 werewolves. We lynch someone, and Van Helsing wins the game for us the next night as described above.

    In conclusion...

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    see, i was going to point out atmosfear's conclusion, but he beat me to it.

    the game would work so long as no one knows who the barkeep is, or who van helsing is.
    Quote Originally Posted by Nermy2k View Post
    yeah obviously we'd all suck our alternate universe dicks there was never any question about that
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    I don't know if Obama did anything to make that happen, but I do know that he didn't do anything to stop me from blaming him.

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    WTF I never get to be Mafia/informed minority

    I was the werewolf until Mr Strike re-assigned the roles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coqauvin View Post
    see, i was going to point out atmosfear's conclusion, but he beat me to it.

    the game would work so long as no one knows who the barkeep is, or who van helsing is.
    That whole mechanic is fucked because the town also know who was in the bar as soon as they live.

    And with a small population, as soon as you take away information from the Town, then the growing werewolf population has an unbeatable bait-and-switch.

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    To be fair, if the those two roles were kept secret then the fact that the uninvolved townies in the first couple of nights would have to take the word of the others could make for a fairly interesting game.

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    Atmoscheer, you're wrong, because you forget the same thing you did last time, that neither Van Helsing, nor the Barkeep are invulnerable. Particularly if you use the bait and switch method you suggest.

    If you're really this obsessed with being petty and killing this game off, then why don't you just not play. Then everyone else can get on with it. Your call.

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    Actually, forget it. Clearly this is not going to work now no matter how good the game mechanic are or aren't.

    It would have been nice for you to explain the original problem BEFORE the game started Atmosfear, but clearly you got more enjoyment out of waiting till it started so you be play the hero. Nevermind, next game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrShrike View Post
    Atmoscheer, you're wrong, because you forget the same thing you did last time, that neither Van Helsing, nor the Barkeep are invulnerable. Particularly if you use the bait and switch method you suggest.

    If you're really this obsessed with being petty and killing this game off, then why don't you just not play. Then everyone else can get on with it. Your call.
    I said effectively invulnerable. The threat of wasting a turn on a protected target is enough to keep that target safe. Add the pure odds of guessing Van Helsing, plus the fact that the conversion power only works every other night and you're looking at a player who's going to live a while. And the Barkeep is definitely invulnerable. The only chance he has of dying is the first night, and that spells certain death for the werewolf.

    I don't understand how formulating dominant strategies makes me petty. You made the rules and didn't listen to me. I told you it wouldn't work. If one player ignores the best strategy available to him in the interest of keeping the game going, how can any player develop a meaningful strategy?

    And besides, I'm not the one that devised a system that could be played by 3 humans and 8 pieces of paper. The most egregious of your mistakes is that only the werewolf, the barkeep, and Van Helsing need ever DO anything.

    Quote Originally Posted by MrShrike View Post
    Actually, forget it. Clearly this is not going to work now no matter how good the game mechanic are or aren't.

    It would have been nice for you to explain the original problem BEFORE the game started Atmosfear, but clearly you got more enjoyment out of waiting till it started so you be play the hero. Nevermind, next game.
    What the fuck did you expect was going to happen? Coq and I both told you the system was bad. We aren't the fucking moderators, we're the players. Don't bitch because you couldn't railroad us to do what you wanted. And why would I waste my fucking time beforehand, even though I blew it up twice, you still believe the system is playable. Let's waste everyone's time proving what Coq and I already know is true. That's the only way to get anything through your thick skull.

    Once again, it's a dominant strategy. Everyone had the same information available that I did, I just figured it out first and used it. Blaming me for winning is like blaming Peyton Manning for the Colts winning the Super Bowl, and saying he should've either stopped throwing the ball to Reggie Wayne, or lobbied to ban the forward pass all together. Fuck that. Don't moderate it if you can't deal with players being players. I bitched about both of coq's games, but he took it constructively.
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    even if he was wrong
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    yeah obviously we'd all suck our alternate universe dicks there was never any question about that
    Quote Originally Posted by Atmosfear
    I don't know if Obama did anything to make that happen, but I do know that he didn't do anything to stop me from blaming him.

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    i guess that doesn't help in this situation
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    yeah obviously we'd all suck our alternate universe dicks there was never any question about that
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    I don't know if Obama did anything to make that happen, but I do know that he didn't do anything to stop me from blaming him.

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    Way to fix my use of the bold tags, coq

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    Atmosfear should mod a game

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    stuff like that bugs me

    also yeah someone start up a damn game. i've modded 3

    even if i have an idea for a game brewing still
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    for the record, do you know how much of a headache it was setting up the 3-mafia/SK game?
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    I don't know if Obama did anything to make that happen, but I do know that he didn't do anything to stop me from blaming him.

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    /lynch welladjusted

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    /lynch simonj

    he's never not mafia
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    yeah obviously we'd all suck our alternate universe dicks there was never any question about that
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    I don't know if Obama did anything to make that happen, but I do know that he didn't do anything to stop me from blaming him.

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    Only in your games. Also repped.

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    I want to mod a game soon but I don't have the time this week. It's going to be a themed vanilla game.

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    Okay I made a thread. Go sign-up. Simon I cannot guarantee that you won't be mafia.

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    *GRRRRR*

    So I take it that this--pardon me, *AROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO*--*ahem*--game has essentially been ended?

    Ouch, I think I just bit my tongue... and the tooth came out the other side, in case you're wondering why the foaming around my mouth starts taking on a pinkish tinge.

    Anyone have a snausage? They're delicious... what, you don't "partake"? Well mind scratching my belly a bit at least?


    EDIT: I tried a bit of coqauvin, but he was all gamey and greasy... I probably should have cut off a piece to sample rather than biting it right off him, since no one will want to him now that he's covered in my saliva
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    I think I just threw up a little
    in my mouth
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    scarf wasn't man enough to do it so queendork pushed herself down the stairs.

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    ya wtf man

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    I was wolfman ;_;


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    jesus

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    yeeees?









    my child, you are a whore.


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    play on

    /lynch sycld
    high five atmosfear cunning plan well executed

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    lynch sycld

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    pretty sure we would've spotted sycld as a werewolf in about 3 posts
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    yeah obviously we'd all suck our alternate universe dicks there was never any question about that
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    I don't know if Obama did anything to make that happen, but I do know that he didn't do anything to stop me from blaming him.

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    Guys we made MrShrike quit the internet

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    we did it
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    yeah obviously we'd all suck our alternate universe dicks there was never any question about that
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    I don't know if Obama did anything to make that happen, but I do know that he didn't do anything to stop me from blaming him.

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    Well I knew you were always a bit premature, but not in so many ways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrShrike View Post
    Well I knew you were always a bit premature, but not in so many ways.
    premature or immature?
    lik dis if u cry evertim
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    yes
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