jesus
jesus
What? You in some fucked up round-about way admitted to being Mafia.
Yea, Mods can make mistakes, but a mistake like this is just un-fucking-heard of
lik dis if u cry evertim
Originally Posted by Mr. E
Also, Nice play Infernus
lik dis if u cry evertim
In other words: if Infernus was the cop, I had a reasonable expectation that Atmosfear would say I'm a virus because either 1) I honestly think that Atmosfear has trouble committing 3 names to memory and could thus conceivably mix up who is a virus and who isn't, or 2) I am in fact a virus, and of course Atmosfear would just tell the truth to whomever is playing the cop in accordance with the rules. Therefore, I am really just obviously stating here that I am a virus.
/undelete coqauvin
/delete KT
It's almost unsporting, like hunting the elusive Tendafoot.
Last edited by sycld; 10-15-2010 at 03:32 PM.
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If you don't like them, then get the fuck out.
I agree with this. That's a big mistake for atmosfear to make and I can't see him making it. It was unnecessary of you to say that
/undelete infernus
/delete KT
When I get home today I will post the reactions. Vs was the only one who did respond
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Success! You have elected to delete KT., Mafiabyte Virus. Fitting, isn’t it? KT., internet-famous young lady, insisted on destroying Rick Scarf’s coveted young lady media library. It all went downhill for her when she questioned the Atmosfear Moderation Module. It is the juggernaut, bitch. Her pussy weapons cannot hurt its integrity! Don’t get too hopped up on power-filtered electrons and torrented bits in celebration tonight, though, Casualscan. Two more infected Discourses lurk amongst you, and Rick Scarf’s porn still hangs in the balance.
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Votes!
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A new phase cycle begins, and another glorified piece of code goes missing. This time, it’s sponge, Voter Process Discourse, whose code has become so garbled he couldn’t print “Hello World” if he tried. Despite his stalwart defense of Rick Scarf’s porn collection, Sponge can only hope that his Casualscan comrades can splice together a quarantine without him.
Day 3 Begins
It is the Daylight Phase of the Casualscan Anti-Virus Suite. All players may communicate via post or PM. With 10 players alive, it takes 4 votes to delete. Vote using the following commands (in bold, please): /delete Atmosfear, /undelete Atmosfear, /delete nolynch. 4 votes for nolynch will end the Daylight phase immediately without a deletion.
Note: If two players are tied with 4 votes, the Atmosfear Moderation Module will delete a random Discourse.
I will periodically post the current vote count.
For the inquiring minds here are my PM's
oh god you're on to meNope, but nice try, I guess? What brings this on?And how do you know this?
And how do you know this?
I feel like this is your plan to make me think you aren't mafia
Also I may have sent a partially finished version of this message to you. Stupid touch screen phone
And Vengeful Scars never replied to me.
Its also funny how KT pretty much dug her own grave because I didn't post these until now. I've meant to post them right away but just forgot about them and spent my time playin vidya games
Yea, you sent that to me, I was on a lot of drugs and I laughed at it.
Why respond to retarded shit slinging?
But yea, KT dug her own grave.
lik dis if u cry evertim
Well, I had typed up a gigantic rebuttal to sponge, but i guess that's not necessary now, is it?
I'm gonna have to reread the thread.
Ok well I'm just letting people know who I sent them out to and their responses or in your case lack of response. Which probably helps your case.
Of course it's still necessary. You think everyone else is any less suspicious of you because sponge is dead?
Also, Mutton in response to your much earlier question (which I will edit and quote later) I'm sorry, I take it back. You were mafia with me in 2 games and you weren't a participant in your own game so your actions don't necessarily differ from your 'town' playing because I don't think I've seen your 'town' playing. That doesn't mean I don't find you somewhat suspicious but I can't substantiate that with cold hard facts straight away.
Oh, and before I go (he says, like he'll be gone for long), I'd like to quickly say I'm uneasy with the way both KT and WA responded to Infernus' PM with the exact same first sentence. It is the kind of thing that could have come about through talking his PM over in a quicktopic. Then again, "And how do you know this?" isn't such a unique response to his PMs. For now though, it's all I really have to go on so /delete welladjusted as an at least semi-permanant vote.
I never even noticed before they both asked the same thing and if they were mafia it would be smart to try and turn this around on me
I wanted to know why he was suspicious. If I just straight up denied it you would have bn even more suspicious of me. And if I just accused him of being mafia I would get no answers. Mind you I didn't anyways
hmm, its a bit suspicious but I really don't want to believe that they would be stupid enough to both respond with exactly the same words... thats just depressing.
It would be a relatively simple mistake to make after talking it over in a quicktopic I think. But I agree, it's not the most substantial piece of evidence ever. I find what Infernus' said about "if the mafia were smart they'd do this" quite suspicious too. It seems like a bit of a ploy but, again, I don't believe infernus is THAT stupid.
Yeah because setting up a situation where I would let a felliw mafia out themselves makes sense gotta think like them to beat them is all.
Wait... what's "quicktopic"?
Also lol @ welladjusted using the same words as virus ZOOOOOOMBIE mafia woofwere 2.0 KT /delete WellAdjusted
Last edited by sycld; 10-16-2010 at 05:31 PM.
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If you don't like them, then get the fuck out.
Sorry about that, but when I quoted, all my own quotes disappeared and i had to copy/paste them in again. I'll use quote boxes this time and just deal with your text.
This is going to happen a lot, but you're projecting your own image of how you react to the game and apply it to the rest of the players. I don't get bored of the same day because things are still happening. We have this argument. We have mutton building a case against KT and pushing me. It's not like nothing is happening, you need to involve yourself in it, much like we're at.
But mafia is a lot of politics, which generally means shitloads of talk for very little action, but the decisions reached have a huge impact, considering how many are made. I would rather argue with, one by one, every player and get some kind of read of intention off of them than vote blindly because someone arbitrarily sets an expectation of how long days will be until they get bored. Scarf got bored because he didn't know what he was doing and probably thought quick lynching people is how to play the game.
This is the key thing though: Longer days and threads favour the town. With longer days, more information slowly trickles in until there is an awareness of where everyone stands. It's harder and harder for mafia to hide themselves the longer the day goes on. What favours them is random lynching (smaller population vs. larger) and quick days (limited discussion = less thought into cases for/against people and hasty, poor decisions). Long days are not anti-town because of boredom, they are pro-town because a clearer picture is offered for people playing town.
For the record, I don't think you have any personal dislike for me.
I don't think you have personal dislike for me. Let me rephrase that point: all your votes have poor motivation - your level of irritation. You're irritated at people who talk. You're irritated (and superior) to people with vaginal cavities. You're irritated by long days. These are the motivations I've seen for every vote, except for your latest one on me (because you actually backed it up with a case).
These motivations are anti-town. The selfishness there doesn't match up with the whole "it's ok if i get lynched because the town will still win". Being anti-town isn't the same as me calling you mafia - the difference is that town players can still make decisions that will hurt the town while still being town. It's like fat americans still eating at mcdonald's.
You're right. The thing is, though, while we can afford to lose a villager or two (and will, as the game progresses), we should always be trying not to. Apathy is anti-town.
I'm not interested in voting for people I think are town. I've already explained my reasoning for that.
You sound like there's a bandwagon on you, but this altruism clashes quite a bit with your current public image, so I'm going to give you scum points for this part of the argument. You do sound like scum for this.
Is there something against the idea of mentioning something without wanting it to go through on the first day? Do you really think I pushed a no lynch? Where is the proof of that? I was pointing out a strategy, although, to be fair, it didn't need to be mentioned at that particular point.
Yes I am. When bandwagons form, they usually run quickly. If we wait to hammer and demand a player claim and defend themselves, the way they do so can show whether or not they are scum or town.
Why wouldn't I commit to a lynch if someone acts scummy when put under pressure? It's not like there's no threat.
Listen. You're fixated on the point of me advocating a no-lynch on day 1 as me being scummy. I never pushed for the no lynch, but I did mention that it would need to be done sooner or later. Perhaps the timing of it wasn't perfect, but it does need to be done at some point.Advocating a no-lynch takes the town's only weapon away from it. Which is why I think it's a scummy suggestion
Why would I deflect a bandwagon? I didn't have any real targets on Day 1, but I didn't get the feeling that Scarf was mafia. In this game, had I either suggested someone else or tried to defend Scarf, both would be used against me as scumtells. As it stands, not suggesting someone else to wagon is apparently a scumtell. What does a townie have to do?
Which is exactly what I did. Why? Because voting for innocents is fucking stupid, unless you're scum.
Maybe because I don't have everything figured out right now? What your doing now is an appeal to proficiency - since I appear proficient, I need to give all this info to the town. I won't take actions until I'm convinced they're a good thing to do. What I'm doing now is voting for KT. and giving advice on how to look at the game. Again, what else am I supposed to do? If I vet people or call people out for being suspicious and jump around with my votes (sometimes my suspicions are wrong, surprise surprise), I become suspicious, and rightly so. What suggestions, exactly, am I supposed to give?
No. I advocate that a no-lynch will, sooner or later, be necessary. I made this announcement on day 1, but I didn't suggest that we do it. Do you see the difference here?
That's exactly what it means. If you're randomly drawing two names from a pool of 12, what are the odds that any one of a specific 3 will be chosen? Less than any other name. I'm not good at the game maths, so I can't specifically prove this, but anyone who knows how to math probabilities can, and it will show what I'm saying to be true.
I want to rag on you for this, but sometimes it's right. In this case, your intuition isn't about a person and their role, it's about a probability question, which can be proven very easily.
This is wrong. Do you know why it's wrong? I've already said it 10000000000 times. A no-lynch needs to be made to give the town an extra day. Either the game ends in the night phase with the mafia winning, (did not employ the no-lynch) or the mafia has to dodge another day of voting, interrogation and keeping up with their lies. (did employ the no-lynch) Who dies in the night can also reveal information on patterns based on how the dead related to the players still living and gives better odds of a random lynch hitting the mafia (as the numbers of both sides become more equal). It is a good decision to make.
You're putting the onus on me to motivate the town to hunt for mafia? Why aren't they motivating themselves?
For the record, and I'm pretty sure I said this in the last post, it isn't about keeping me alive. It's about lynching any player for the right reasons. Townies shouldn't get lynched unless they play really stupidly. I remember a game where, on Day 1, a townie was getting pressured, and under pressure was acting like scum. At Lynch -1, he was asked to claim. He claims doctor. The real doctor counter claims. We lynched the liar. He turned out to be a regular Townie. The doctor was shot that night.
What happened here? There was a townie who a) acted scummy, b) lied under pressure. He was more interested in staying alive, but didn't bother to defend himself against the arguments. He was lynched for the right reasons. If I was dumb enough to do something like that, I'd deserve to be lynched too.
So far, your case against me is: I'm slowing down gameplay, I want to eliminate the minority lynch time-limit, I'm not motivating the town and I advocate a no-lynch (there was some confusion about this, I hope it's been resolved now) play at some point. Where in this am I really being scummy?
What? Really? Are you... thick or something? Now you're trying to box me in by stating both that: advocating a no-lynch is scummy play and not pushing for a no-lynch is a scummy play. This kind of trickery is witchhunting. You may as well stop making arguments now because this doesn't hold any water at all. You're interested in hearing a guilty confession out of me and nothing else will satisfy you. Why bother trying to prove anything, because proof isn't what you're interested in when you make cases like this.
I'm seeing more and more why you would be.
Really? Now you're laying responsibility for Scarf's mislynch at my feet and assuming that I have the responsibility to prevent mislynches. Let me say something here: I don't run this town. I am one voice of 7, now, and hopefully the voice of reason.
I don't make Bill O'Reilly cases against townsfolk to push a lynch because I either want someone who irks me dead, or because I have some kind of scum affiliation. This kind of tunnelling doesn't prove anything, but it makes you look fucking terrible.
I rebut and break down your arguments. This is squirming.
Because I haven't cast a vote today for someone else, and this back-and-forth takes no energy or effort from me. Because I didn't commit to lynching someone I didn't really think was mafia, but wasn't convinced was town. Because I don't make hasty decisions on poor logic. This is clearly anti-town behaviour.
You're projecting again. Tunnelling will do that to people.
Or maybe it says that I actually take the time to think about what I do? No, it must mean I'm scum.
If I had only selfish interests, yes that would be true. I won't lie, I have self-preserving interests. Lynching a townie doesn't help town. Not defending myself and allowing myself to be lynched by shitty arguments doesn't help town either. At the same time, if I'm acting in a way that is anti town (lying, making poor votes based on poor arguments, rushing days etc.), then, even as a townie, I would deserve to be lynched.
Being non-committal is your overeager eyes seeing deliberation as hesitation.
Yes, sponge, please tell me more of what mafia will or won't do. You're qualified, right?
In that game, everyone was mafia.
Your decisions do not infer that others, as mafia, will make the same choice. It's a common fault in this game. Your actions do not dictate other's actions, but can still play a role if you see someone acting in a very similar fashion, because you understand the motivations.
As if anyone who was new to mafia wouldn't try to bring down people they saw as threatening.
Again, I would like to know exactly what you call 'average mafia' and how exactly you can predict what they'll do. Does it come from experience? If not, does it come from something that can be sourced or linked? Is it still valid if it's from neither?
While this kind of thinking does need to happen, at least briefly, it doesn't actually make an argument. it's a really shitty way of backing up your opinion, because your evidence is "well, if I was mafia, I would do XXX" Never forget Atmosfear image macros, correlation and causation.
Who you would consider threatening and who the mafia consider threatening are two very different things and are based on entirely different motivations. Another plausible possibility is that the mafia offed Think because they didn't wish to attract attention to themselves. Free kills are free kills. But this is all supposition and, in the end, is completely fucking worthless to even talk about.
ttfn sweetcheeks :X
how do you take more than a week to come up with an answer?
those are the only 2 games i've played and i've never been town before this, so your original suspicion against me was flawed
it's somewhat suspicious that you still find me somewhat suspicious (I'm the only person to vote KT on both days, before she completely outed herself), though you may just be paranoid as you were before
hay mutton
you aren't cleared. You aren't clear until you flip town/scum, or the cop claims and says you're innocent. until then, you cannot assign suspicion because someone finds you suspicious.
if I did that i'd have to vote for the whole town.
maybe not 100% cleared, but the amount of reasonable doubt should be low
sure i can assign suspicion this way, it is one legitimate reason among many
for example, is someone suspected sponge after his long posts on day 2, when he looked as town as Ben Affleck, i would find them suspicious or stupid or paranoid
I just finished my reread. I'm pretty sure that you're town, now. KT. repeatedly tried wagoning you with no success, out of the blue. There's no motivation there to bus or defend. Also, you had made some surprisingly good reads.
I was interested in Day 2 when you posted a case against VS. In rereading the thread, he seems scummy. His vote on day 1 was a wagon hop, but ugly. He showed no interest in trying to find out alignment, and he defended KT. a couple times for no real reason.
He also pulled a MrShrike. In mafia 2 when I got drunk and outed the mafia kill target, shrike was the first to recognize this, the first to jump on it and the first to cast a vote and make a case. He got big town points for that. When KT. made her infernus response public, VS was the first to point it out for exactly what it was and throw the vote on her. He led no votes against people or tried to make cases or showed any real interest in the game beforehand. He seems pretty scummy to me at this point.
/delete Vengeful Scars
While we're at it, does the cop have any guilties?
oOoOoOoOoOo damn straight oOoOoOoOoOo
Stupidly I thought I'd already responded.
Just because you voted for KT (even before she outed herself) does not make you not mafia but rereading the thread you aren't remotely suspicious. My tiny shred of suspicion is based entirely on the fact that it is still a possibility that you are mafia but I've been lynched before for pointing out the slight possibilities of mafiadom in town players so I'm willing to ignore those 'suspicions' so we can find more mafia without clogging up the thread.
coq, in response to your long post:
my problem with your vote for Rick Scarf was that it was random at a time when there were already a bunch of posts in the thread; if there was no one you had a feeling against, then the logical move was to not vote
defending Rick Scarf by saying "i don't get the feeling he is mafia" would not be a scumtell by itself; it sounds like you let him die to save yourself
you may reject sponge's view of how he expects the mafia to act, but it is relevant because we are not experienced players either and we care about the mafia's motivations; a big part of this game is putting yourself in other people's shoes, isn't it?
if the answer is yes, we should have heard by now
I am going to vote to /delete sycld for now
Not only to try to not die, but because asking what quicktopic is could be a ploy. I am also suspicious of simonj. I could be paranoid but I feel like me answering the same as KT in the PMs is a good enough reason for them to bandwagon against me without any suspicions falling on them.
If I go with this then I do think Infernus is a townie because he picked KT in the PMs but then also he could have just done that to not seem suspicious but then KT accidentally outed herself ruining the plan.
If you don't actually know though, quicktopic is just like.. an outside site where you can talk.. like their own little chat room.
Last edited by WellAdjusted; 10-16-2010 at 10:10 PM.
thanks... i found out by meself anywayIf you don't actually know though, quicktopic is just like.. an outside site where you can talk.. like their own little chat room.
i only played the first mafia game; i didn't realize that the quicktopic thing was something that was started for players with special roles :/
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If you don't like them, then get the fuck out.
That seems reasonable
it's odd you didn't notice, you have been attentive every game in spite of being quiet
on Day 2, the players who did not lynch KT were Infernus and simonj
if we assume Infernus is town based on his PM stunt, at least 1 of KT's teammates voted against her
/delete Vengeful Scars
based on my reasons in #234, one advantage of lynching KT yesterday was to know whether to lynch VS next
although it is debatable whether VS pulled a MrShrike or he randomly makes posts that happen to be suspicious
WellAdjusted's PM is too coincidental, and i would not mind seeing her get lynched either
it is a good reason to lynch you regardless of their separate intentions
do you agree?
No, I do not think it is a good reason to delete me. It's good enough for them to bandwagon against me though. I mean it's believable I guess, but it would be very very stupid on mine and KTs part to plan that, or let that happen.
It's a pretty generic response I would say
No it really wasn't. By the time I had finished reading it I had been automatically logged out it took so long.
Posting about being on drugs on the internet is neither clever nor funny. I don't like the way you try and play the idiot to defend yourself rather that giving any reason for your actions. In particular to muttons accusations earlier.
with that in mind I hope you will take this vote as a compliment.
/delete Vengeful Scars
Last edited by Woofness; 10-17-2010 at 01:02 PM.
to be fair, he is on drugs a lot, so he was probably telling the truth.
he also does act pretty stupid, whether it's willful or not.
PANDAS
If you don't like them, then get the fuck out.
Yeah and did you see what "kt lethappen" last go around?
/delete Vengeful Scars. I wasn't totally comfortable with my vote against WellAdjusted and, really, I did it to provoke reactions from her and others. After re-reading the thread VS does seem the most suspicious and I would be surprised if he isn't mafia.
A big part of me feels sycld might be scum and is just playing the retard by pretending to not know what quicktopic is. Surely he read one of the mafia games that used QT and, even if he didn't then I would have thought sycld is the type to google it before asking a question like that IN the thread
pfft, i did look it up myself after i asked itt
also, i guess i have to agree about VS. he hasn't posted much, but of his only 3 really substantial posts, 2 are defenses of KT, and the 3rd is the the first post of anyone to condemn her on the day she was indeed successfully deleted.
if that doesn't scream "scum," i don't know what does.
/undelete WellAdjusted
/delete Vengeful Scars
PANDAS
If you don't like them, then get the fuck out.
5 Votes for Vengeful Scars. Closing thread while I process.
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Score another one for the home team. Only one Mafia Discourse remains, as Casualscan has deleted Vengeful Scars, Mafiabyte Virus. Now the question remains: who is the final Virus? Could it be that the Virus has sold its own kind out, trading VS or KT. for more time? Was the Virus simply lurking in silence, unable to prevent the deletion of its cancerous coconspirator? You may not know the answers individually, but the Casualscan Anti-Virus Suite prides itself on its Artificial Intelligence [sic]. This is your chance to prove it true—finish the Mafiaware Virus once and for all (or until the next time Rick Scarf opens an email about growing the size of Queendork’s pleasure stick.)
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It is the Nightowl Phase of the Casualscan Anti-Virus Suite. No players may communicate amongst themselves. All players must PM me their night actions as soon as possible. Day 4 will begin as soon as all Night actions are received.
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Note: Sorry for the delay yesterday. Hopefully Day 4 can start this evening, as the mafia no longer needs to consult amongst itself.
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