This. The only reason I didn't vote for Mutton on day 1 is because the Scarf bandwagon had already started and switching my vote at that point would have looked VERY suspicious and it didn't seem worth it.Originally Posted by KT.
This. The only reason I didn't vote for Mutton on day 1 is because the Scarf bandwagon had already started and switching my vote at that point would have looked VERY suspicious and it didn't seem worth it.
uh hardly, I was referring to the end of the second paragraph
sorry I didn't crop the quote I can only care so much
I would rather have long, relatively active days than just quicklynch all the time
you may as well just have everyone roll a die and vote that way
you corrected Atmosfear's vote list on 2 occasions
for someone paying so much attention, you should have more reads like i have
you can start your game while this is ongoing
explain
still waiting for you to list these games
undelete kt (she is still a whore)
ok here it goes
90% chance this is small talk meant to distract from an otherwise-scummy "random" vote. sycld probably isn't scum because of it
noncommittal - we obviously weren't out of rvs, the damn day ended up in an entirely-random (no real evidence) lynching of dick barf
this is a common coq theme this time around, stall town. it's obvious that the longer you stall town, the more impatient town gets and the more likely town is to make a random vote and (more often than not, probability-speaking) kill an innocent (or worse, the town-aligned processes). this obviously happened with scarf. good job mafia, and good job town for being dumbasses (mutton and coq were both obvious, good targets, coq being the scummier of the two with mutton playing it much cooler)
basically, "if town can't commit to killing me, don't let them kill me!". chances are good that, in this sort of situation, one or both of the people in the tie are scum (likelyhood of town being stupid enough to bandwagon two innocents isn't great, even for CD towns). Lobbying for a no-lynch here protects scum and only scum. Every time an innocent gets lynched, it's unfortunate, but town learns they need to set their sights elsewhere. no-lynch reveals jack-shit.
"oh god divert attention from me I don't want to die." heads up, a normal townie shouldn't really care if he dies, as town can still win without him. Scum and non-scum special roles are the only ones who should particularly care. If coq wasn't scum, mafia should've (would've?) targeted him last night as he'd be a pretty obvious candidate for a special role. they didn't, they killed an non-threatening Think (at least I can't imagine him as threatening as of his posts this thread but you never know)
re: make town wait forever to lynch, under the guise of "learning" something, until they get frustrated and quit in a random lynch that more than likely will benefit the mafia. should be familiar by now
"here're the things you should look for in people to determine they're mafia... just kidding not telling, they might catch on! (subtitle: I'm not really here to help you)"
exceptwhich was the second vote against scarf. coq basically started the bandwagon and then jumped ship? scummy!
honestly this is all making me weary of kt being scum keeping in mind that they might be playing each other, assuming people won't bandwagon kt under the assumption that rick scarf only made his accusation against her in light of his pending demise. But with these posts he's beginning to demand/suggest the sheriff come out... seriously? so the mafia can kill him? lovely. I'm not a mafia pro but it seems you wouldn't want the sheriff publicly revealing himself until towards the end, when there's like one mafia and it's of dire importance that town wacks the right mole (hehe wack-a-mole)
KEEP STALLING THE TOWN TO KEEP THEM FROM MAKING AN INFORMED OR CONSCIOUS DECISION
kt: don't bother defending coq, I still think you're scum and that'd only further the suspicion
everyone else: delete coqauvin
cop declares, names guilties, clears innocents, is protected by nurse, doesn't need to know who nurse is, nurse does not need to declare.
If the cop is killed before they can declare and clear anyone, it's not good for the town. Either today or tomorrow the cop should give investigation reports to clear town so we have a base of who we know is innocent and name guilties.
and suddenly mafia goes after the quietest non-scum, likely killing the nurse (hell, they could do this as a lynch, quiet people are suspicious to everyone), after which they quickly off the sheriff. Town has to rely on their own intuition and the idiocy of scum, sheriff and nurse don't work well publicly this early.
of course, if the mafia takes a bit to get the sheriff, the sheriff still has to select the right person to investigate to learn that they're mafia -- and knowing who the sheriff is gives the mafia one less person to suspect of being nurse
I think you're underestimating the value of clearing people as town or not.
Also, what is the cop supposed to do then? sit around with their thumb up their ass?
as soon as he investigates someone and finds them safe he can go through the scum's posts and try to build a case against him. Coming out and saying he's the sheriff is dumb, because without building a case behind his accusations, there's no reason for anyone to believe him (with blind accusations and claiming he's the sheriff, he might as well be mafia), and it gives the mafia a great new target.
nooooooooo
I have a game ready as well but atmosphere beat me to it!!
oh well, /delete infernus because i think you are mafia trying to look innocent by sending me a PM saying you "know" I am mafia instead of just bringing it up in the thread
If that happened then it's pretty suspicious but I'd like to hear infernus' response.
By popular demand ;)
I sent that to a random 4 or 5 people. One person denied it. Wellajusted is being pretty offensive about it one person kneww I was bullshitting
thought I was special
Yeah, I got one too. I was like wtf?
But if Infernus is town, it's pretty clever because it could have lead a mafia to admit his guilt.
Last edited by KT.; 10-13-2010 at 04:12 PM.
sponge i have never seen this side of you
here let me suck your dick
/delete coq
well played, infernus, taking over the role of Think
why did you pick who you picked?
yeah right
I didnt expect anyone to admit anything but just to gauge their reactions. And I pretty much just chose people at random on the first page. I was going to do everyone but got lazy
Its also a good way to cover being mafia. But I can see the other side to it. It would be a very stupid move to admit that to someone just because they accused you
For now, /delete coqauvin
I have my reasons!
...which I shall explicate later.
EDIT: Actually spooge explained them pretty well (I missed his giant wall-o-text), and then some...
Last edited by sycld; 10-13-2010 at 10:41 PM.
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Vote count!
Remember, 5 votes to lynch.
Only six players have voted thus far.
I would like to hear what you did infer from this?
Sponge that is a pretty hefty case against coq you have got there, he has been suspicious from the off but after re-reading the thread I cant quite make out who else would be mafia if he was.
From page one almost everyone has been gunning for him.
That wall-o-text looks similar in some ways to my one for rick scarf and that seemed to be enough for people to go "oh someone else has thought about it so i dont have to, i will vote with them". I would like to agree with it all but feel a bit more wary after my grossly inaccurate conjecture on day one. So I will for now
/delete KT
who has been going after sponge and mutton who at the moment appear to me the most interested town players.
At this point, if I were stupid, I would vote sponge in return. As much as this aggressive gameplay doesn't match his previous town meta, I don't think he warrants a vote at this point. This is just a shitty argument against me because he doesn't like me. 100% of sponge's votes in this game are personal and based on people he dislikes and groups of people he dislikes. (That's totally how you win games, champ)undelete kt (she is still a whore)
ok here it goes
90% chance this is small talk meant to distract from an otherwise-scummy "random" vote. sycld probably isn't scum because of it
Or maybe, you know, it was a random vote.
noncommittal - we obviously weren't out of rvs, the damn day ended up in an entirely-random (no real evidence) lynching of dick barf
No, but I was drawing attention to the fact that there is an RVS stage that can be worked out of on Day 1.
this is a common coq theme this time around, stall town. it's obvious that the longer you stall town, the more impatient town gets and the more likely town is to make a random vote and (more often than not, probability-speaking) kill an innocent (or worse, the town-aligned processes).
I don't think you understand my reasoning for the no-lynch. When there are an even number of players, the mafia can finish the game during the night phase. Having a no-lynch when there's too much debate over too few targets is a good idea. Somehow pointing this out to town is a scum move.
this obviously happened with scarf. good job mafia, and good job town for being dumbasses (mutton and coq were both obvious, good targets, coq being the scummier of the two with mutton playing it much cooler)
You notice that I unvoted scarf? It's because it was a real target and a real wagon. I didn't really think he was town, and my initial vote for him was random in the first place. I wasn't voting on that for shitty reasons.
basically, "if town can't commit to killing me, don't let them kill me!". chances are good that, in this sort of situation, one or both of the people in the tie are scum (likelyhood of town being stupid enough to bandwagon two innocents isn't great, even for CD towns).
Actually, it is. There are just more town than mafia. I'm gonna ask you to prove that mafia is at all likely to be caught up in it as well.
It is my personal preference that we go without less-than-majority lynches from what I saw in Mafia 2. The idea that less than a whole scum team can vote and eliminate a player based on apathy or whatever is fucking stupid. Mafia win the game by having a number that controls the vote.
Lobbying for a no-lynch here protects scum and only scum. Every time an innocent gets lynched, it's unfortunate, but town learns they need to set their sights elsewhere. no-lynch reveals jack-shit.
No, it protects the town, especially in this particular game, dumbass. Having a no-lynch day is a requirement based on the number of players (I've said that a million fucking times). How the fuck does a no-lynch help scum? While it does mean that none of them get voted, it forces them to win a lynch on the final day instead of gaining a majority through a night kill. On top of all of that, I never called for a fucking no-lynch on Day 1.
Let me break it down some more: When you have 5 people required to call for a lynch and the scum team has 3 players, allowing a majority vote at an arbitrary time gives the mafia an incredible advantage. If all three vote for the same player and the town is too divided to beat that margin, town's fucked. Especially in this game, a no-lynch is a good fucking idea.
"oh god divert attention from me I don't want to die."
More like: you're accusing me based on this? It's a load of horseshit. This is why.
You're tunnel-visioning on me as scum and anything I do or say will make me fit the mental image you already have. This kind of play works, if you hit scum. You haven't.
heads up, a normal townie shouldn't really care if he dies, as town can still win without him.
You're right, what I want from the game is to be mislynched on the first day for outrageous stupidity. Knowing that the town might eventually win consoles me greatly, especially when they learn so much from my death.
Scum and non-scum special roles are the only ones who should particularly care.
normal townies can contribute to this game just as much as power roles, you know.
If coq wasn't scum, mafia should've (would've?) targeted him last night as he'd be a pretty obvious candidate for a special role.
Explain to me your reasoning for this. How am I an obvious candidate for a special role?
they didn't, they killed an non-threatening Think (at least I can't imagine him as threatening as of his posts this thread but you never know)
I'm not going to argue this, because it's asking about what the mafia would have done. Even talking about what you yourself would have done is an exercise in futility.
re: make town wait forever to lynch, under the guise of "learning" something, until they get frustrated and quit in a random lynch that more than likely will benefit the mafia. should be familiar by now
Or maybe: let's wait until we have something semi-tangible to go on. You notice, again, that I unvoted scarf? It's because there was nothing in his posts that made me think he was mafia. I'm not committing to a wagon that I think is full of shit.
"here're the things you should look for in people to determine they're mafia... just kidding not telling, they might catch on! (subtitle: I'm not really here to help you)"
You're right! Let's take whatever mental tools I have to see whether or not someone is acting suspiciously and list all of them! The mafia won't read that, no sir! They'll ignore it and just do all that stuff anyways! This is a great idea!
except
Yes, post these out of chronological order then apply your own reasoning to it. It's not fallacious at all.
which was the second vote against scarf. coq basically started the bandwagon and then jumped ship? scummy!
What? Did you read my first vote against scarf? I said "he's trying to sell me a loveseat." This is clearly not a real vote. But it started the bandwagon? When the wagon did get real, I jumped ship because my vote wasn't real. You see?
honestly this is all making me weary of kt being scum keeping in mind that they might be playing each other, assuming people won't bandwagon kt under the assumption that rick scarf only made his accusation against her in light of his pending demise.
Or KT. tripped my scum-sense and I found her suspicious.
But with these posts he's beginning to demand/suggest the sheriff come out... seriously?
Yes.
so the mafia can kill him?
This is why we have a doctor, you know.
lovely.
Only if you're an idiot.
I'm not a mafia pro but it seems you wouldn't want the sheriff publicly revealing himself until towards the end, when there's like one mafia and it's of dire importance that town wacks the right mole (hehe wack-a-mole)
No, it's pretty clear you only have a tenuous grasp of mafia.
Let me tell you a story: Once upon a time there was a forum dedicated to playing mafia and mafia variants. They found out in a standard 2/7 setup with 2 mafia, a cop and a doctor, that playing 'follow the cop' gave the town a significant advantage. To the point where town was winning a huge majority of the games just by running that strategy.
But apparently it's just to get the protected cop killed.
KEEP STALLING THE TOWN TO KEEP THEM FROM MAKING AN INFORMED OR CONSCIOUS DECISION
HEY WHY DON'T YOU USE YOUR FUCKING BRAIN AND THINK ABOUT YOUR FUCKING VOTE INSTEAD OF HOPPING WAGONS AND LETTING EVERYONE ELSE DO THE THINKING AND MAFIA HUNTING
kt: don't bother defending coq, I still think you're scum and that'd only further the suspicion
everyone else: delete coqauvin
Last edited by coqauvin; 10-14-2010 at 10:50 AM.
coquavin you have had to spend far too much time defending yourself this game and trying to explain the rules to other players.
would you be so good as to outline your own suspicions at the moment?
I don't have a clear picture at the moment, but KT. is my current target. Her play is different from what I usually see out of her; she was always town in previous games, so the small shift in her gameplay in this game hints at having a non-town role.
Mutton's gained scum points for vetting people constantly on D1, but not doing so anymore once he gets called out for it. Sucking sponge's dick without reading the content and quality of the argument gets him dumbass points, which may or may not be related to having an anti-town role.
I also think infernus' PMs are a nulltell. They don't lean particularly lean to one side or the other, but I suspect that he's town at this point. Until the cop comes out and clears people, or until we see what they flip on death nothing is really set in stone anyways.
For what it's worth, sponge's heavy involvement in this game trips some alarms, mostly because of how quiet he was in other games, but it's possible that he's just getting engaged for the first time so I'm not really holding it against him.
ps don't suck my dick in public
haha is that how you read it?
would you be so good
colloquialism or not
my god you made this hard to reply to. you also got some of your quotes messed up but for the most part I think I was able to piece everything togetherMy "aggressive gameplay" is due to an absolutely worthless town not doing jack shit and a vocal minority trying to slow game play to the point of worthlessness. Real people get bored and eventually just go with whatever sounds best. That was (stupidly) Rick Scarf last time. I didn't sign up for this game to sit around, twiddle my thumbs and watch myself and my team lose. On a personal level, you're kidding yourself if you really think any personal dislike I might have for you would get me to go over every one of your ~2 million posts ITT and write on 90% of them. The votes I have made for people I simply prefer to shut up for the rest of the game have been short and sweet. There's little-to-no sense in building an argument just to keep someone out of one thread. It's not like you get banned if you are lynched/lose.
Anyway, feel free to vote for me, I really don't care. Hell, I voted for myself yesterday, I'm more interested in winning and getting the game going than staying alive. My hope is that, if I were to die and the town find out I'm most definitely a townie, they'd immediately go after you and KT (and maybe mutton but I'm still not really convinced either way there).
Anyway, with regards to the "shitty argument" bit (this is going to be a terrible quoting job):Obviously, I get that. What I don't get is how you possibly think day 1 can be remotely worthwhile if you start it out wanting a no-lynch (I know, you never said you wanted one... which is remarkable given how much you support[ed] the idea). You're going to bandwagon people to (neededToLynch-1) votes to get them to squirm? If the mafia really doesn't think you're going to commit to a lynch, then why squirm? Advocating a no-lynch takes the town's only weapon away from it. Which is why I think it's a scummy suggestionI don't think you understand my reasoning for the no-lynch. When there are an even number of players, the mafia can finish the game during the night phase. Having a no-lynch when there's too much debate over too few targets is a good idea. Somehow pointing this out to town is a scum move.
Yeah, I reflected that later in my post. To make this more believable, you should've given the masses a new target since the momentum was obviously already there. Instead, it looked like you bailed from an impending bandwagon to avoid any more responsibility for an innocent's death. Woofness makes an excellent point -- you're great on talking about what you intend to do or what should be done, but you give no real suggestions on what the town should do to win. Case and point: you advocate a no-lynch, but you repeatedly assert you didn't ever suggest one on day 1.You notice that I unvoted scarf? It's because it was a real target and a real wagon. I didn't really think he was town, and my initial vote for him was random in the first place. I wasn't voting on that for shitty reasons.
Just because there are more town than mafia doesn't mean the most likely scenario is that two townies end up on the bad end of a lynch. I quote myself: "(likelyhood of town being stupid enough to bandwagon two innocents isn't great, even for CD towns)". I have nothing better than intuition to back that up, but no-lynch should never be a decision made for the town because that tells them nothing. If you're that concerned about a time limit, make accusations and get the town moving. You don't do that because you're more interested in keeping yourself alive.Actually, it is. There are just more town than mafia. I'm gonna ask you to prove that mafia is at all likely to be caught up in it as well.
It is my personal preference that we go without less-than-majority lynches from what I saw in Mafia 2. The idea that less than a whole scum team can vote and eliminate a player based on apathy or whatever is fucking stupid. Mafia win the game by having a number that controls the vote.
If it's so important and useful, why didn't you call of it? Obviously, under your reasoning, it would've helped the town, so if your interests really did lie with helping town it would've behoved you to push for the no-lynch.No, it protects the town, especially in this particular game, dumbass. Having a no-lynch day is a requirement based on the number of players (I've said that a million fucking times). How the fuck does a no-lynch help scum? While it does mean that none of them get voted, it forces them to win a lynch on the final day instead of gaining a majority through a night kill. On top of all of that, I never called for a fucking no-lynch on Day 1.
I still don't see why I have any reason to believe you aren't.More like: you're accusing me based on this? It's a load of horseshit. This is why.
You're tunnel-visioning on me as scum and anything I do or say will make me fit the mental image you already have. This kind of play works, if you hit scum. You haven't.
Not when the only strategy they advocate, valid or not, they aren't willing to actually get behind instead of watching an innocent die.You're right, what I want from the game is to be mislynched on the first day for outrageous stupidity. Knowing that the town might eventually win consoles me greatly, especially when they learn so much from my death.
normal townies can contribute to this game just as much as power roles, you know.
Because you squirm, yet non-committal. The squirming part says you think you're too important to die, the non-committal says you're unwilling to make waves that might attract attention. If you are simply a self-important townie, then being non-committal makes you absolutely worthless aside from being a warm body.Explain to me your reasoning for this. How am I an obvious candidate for a special role?
The average mafia would go after a threat. I obviously don't know who our mafia are, so I can't say if they're total dumbasses, but when I was mafia back in your game, my first instinct was to go for those who I thought were threatening. As discussed, I'm probably a below-average mafia player, yet I still went after who I thought was most threatening. That's hardly futile, considering what the average mafia would do, and then asking yourself why they didn't do it. Maybe they're idiots, or maybe the people I consider threatening are actually mafia and so they killed a random.I'm not going to argue this, because it's asking about what the mafia would have done. Even talking about what you yourself would have done is an exercise in futility.
ok I've got to be in class and showered in 40 minutes so I'm going to have to finish this later bye4now
give your reasons in your own words
we know you have a personal vendetta against coq
examples?
no one even acknowledged my reads until after Rick Scarf died, so instead of sucking your dick i've compiled an updated list just for you
less suspicious - WellAdjusted, scyld, sponge
neutral - Infernus
more suspicious - coq, simonj, Woofness
most suspicious - KT + Vengeful Scars
who knew you were bullshitting and who didn't?
I'd like to clarify. During day two I have only gone after mutton. (And, I also made a comment about you.) But I haven't even mentioned Sponge during day two, and my vote against him during day one was a joke (a joke I didn't even get right because I confused simonj and sponge).
I agree with you that right now Sponge seems to be town. As far as Mutton goes, I'm not the only one who finds him suspicious.
comments on the sponge-coq debate:
the no-lynch point is moot - coq would have said it as either town or mafia and been right, he just said it way too early in the game, when it had no applicability
coq unvoting Rick Scarf can be interpreted both ways, as the mafia can let the town hang one of its own on Day 1
why didn't you defend Rick Scarf when he was close to getting lynched?
clearly false
Sponge hates himself.
KT
KT waited until after Rick Scarf died to have an issue with me thinking him and others are town. I had told her directly 6 calendar days prior (#85).
Her most suspicious-sounding post is #80. The last sentence in #216 sounds too stupid. In #179 it feels like she just wanted to insert that link somewhere for the sake of accusing someone, because Woofness wasn't even complaining.
She had a reason for switching votes, but didn't explain it until asked.
Vengeful Scars
VS was there to bandwagon coq right away after KT's initial vote (#17), but waited a few hours before committing, whereas before we saw him vote compulsively. Note that he said "lynch coq until I find a better lynchee" instead of "lynch coq unless I find a better lynchee".
VS defended KT twice for unrelated reasons (#121, #167), remembering to add that he still has "some suspicion" about her (#122).
VS voted Rick Scarf at a time when votes were 4 for KT and 3 for Rick Scarf, despite being impatient with the length of the day and pressuring others to vote (#97, #144). More recently, he has made no-content posts and is no longer in a hurry.
in conclusion /delete KT
Last edited by mutton; 10-14-2010 at 04:00 PM.
Haha, I really don't. Honest to God, I had already decided before the game began to have coq as my "random delete vote" choice just because I thought it'd be funny to yank his chain.
As for why I'm voting for him now, I suppose it's more of an inkling than the sorts of hyper-logical reasonings that other players have given, dissecting posts bit by bit by bit in excruciating detail. Keep in mind this is my first time as a townie, since in the first game we played I was a mafia, and in the second game I really wasn't in there for long at all... so I might going about this the wrong way.
But anyway, the way he's deluging the thread with metagame theory seems so damn distracting. That alone wouldn't cast suspicion on him, but it's odd how non-committal he is, as sponge pointed out. I almost feel like he's just waiting for a bandwagon on an innocent to start so he can hop aboard and thus not have to be the one to start a vote, which would bring attention onto himself.
And all that is not to mention how some of his logic really doesn't hold.
KT I'm suspicious of too, but for now I will give her the benefit of the doubt since if I remember correctly a lot of her behavior in the first game was similar to her behavior in this one (switching votes quickly, acting a bit capricious, etc.). Coq, for the time being, just seems more suspicious to me than KT.
PS To be fair, you didn't motivate your vote sufficiently either, mutton
Last edited by sycld; 10-14-2010 at 06:40 PM.
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You're right. I should have brought up my suspicions as soon as I had them (by the second time you gave your list of who you thought was town), but it wasn't until Rick Scarf was deleted and you said the following did I truly become suspicious.
Yes you did state two times that you thought Rick Scarf was town but you didn't give any explanation at all.
You said this after Rick Scarf had made only 3 posts and frankly none of them had any real substance besides his vote switches. ([ame="http://www.casualdiscourse.com/forums/showpost.php?p=196120&postcount=13"]#13[/ame], [ame="http://www.casualdiscourse.com/forums/showpost.php?p=196211&postcount=36"]#36[/ame], [ame="http://www.casualdiscourse.com/forums/showpost.php?p=196212&postcount=37"]#37[/ame])
You said this in response to me stating that I thought it's too early to know who is mafia and who is town. At this point only one person has voted Rick Scarf (simonj)
However when more people started voting for Rick Scarf, you said nothing to defend him. You didn't raise any concerns. Yet, the day after Rick Scarf is deleted, you basically blame the town for not listening to you. If you were so concerned about RS's well being, why didn't you say anything on the 8th or 9th about Rick Scarf (Rick Scarf was deleted early on the 10th)?
I find this all very scummy. The only people who are absolutely sure who is town on day one are the mafia.
Yeah see, I don't understand how you think that's suspicious. Rick Scarf pretty much said the same thing.Her most suspicious-sounding post is #80. The last sentence in #216 sounds too stupid. In #179 it feels like she just wanted to insert that link somewhere for the sake of accusing someone, because Woofness wasn't even complaining.
She had a reason for switching votes, but didn't explain it until asked.
You do realize placing logic on me, is like giving a crack head your car keys near the chop shop and saying "Take 'er a spin 'round the block, My Nigga"
Also I have a crush on KT(wait what)
I wanna say Infernus' pms(I got one) was just trying to fool all of us into thinking eh was a cop or something, but why did he send it to like 4 or 5 people(can't remember what he said). That seems mighty suspicious to me.
lik dis if u cry evertim
I still would like to hear more about the infernus pm situation.
So far all I can make out is that he sent it to Well Adjusted, Vengeful Scars, KT and Sponge.. anyone else?
WellAdjusted's "offensive" response could be a knee jerk reaction to being found out. Then KT only owns up to getting one too after Sponge says he has one, (assuming that sponge is a town player for the time being) possibly because she knows who the mafia are and until its obvious that the PM's were a shot in the dark doesn't want to be lumped in with the rest.
gross
Actually, I didn't say anything because I pm'd Infernus back and I was waiting for his response. Infernus's pm was simply "I know That you are mafia." I replied back with "And how do you know this?" because if he said it was because I said this, this, and this, I was going to call him an idiot. However, if he told me he was the cop and he investigated me, I would have contacted Atmosfear (mods make mistakes sometimes). I didn't want to make it public at the moment and out the cop just in case Atmosfear did make a mistake.
It's not gross, it's love.
also /delete KT
that's all the evidence I need
lik dis if u cry evertim
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