undelete kt (she is still a whore)
ok here it goes
Originally Posted by
coqauvin
With 12 it's what, 7 to lynch?
/delete sycld
90% chance this is small talk meant to distract from an otherwise-scummy "random" vote. sycld probably isn't scum because of it
Or maybe, you know, it was a random vote.
Originally Posted by
coqauvin
are we out of rvs?
ok then
/undelete
noncommittal - we obviously weren't out of rvs, the damn day ended up in an entirely-random (no real evidence) lynching of dick barf
No, but I was drawing attention to the fact that there is an RVS stage that can be worked out of on Day 1.
Originally Posted by
coqauvin
we actually have a mislynch or two, so it might be in our interest to lynch today, since we can afford the mistake, but at some point we need to have a no lynch to give us an extra day/prevent us from losing a day
also jesus you're really going to lynch me for missing half a line of text?
this is a common coq theme this time around, stall town. it's obvious that the longer you stall town, the more impatient town gets and the more likely town is to make a random vote and (more often than not, probability-speaking) kill an innocent (or worse, the town-aligned processes).
I don't think you understand my reasoning for the no-lynch. When there are an even number of players, the mafia can finish the game during the night phase. Having a no-lynch when there's too much debate over too few targets is a good idea. Somehow pointing this out to town is a scum move.
Originally Posted by
coqauvin
in other news, i'm finding KT.'s strategy of 'keep quiet and switch votes to the latest bandwagon' to be scummy play.
Originally Posted by
coqauvin
a random vote is scummy?
we're still in the beginning of the game. did you find sponge's first vote scummy? what about sycld's?
in relating to bandwagons - joining them isn't necessarily scummy. the amount you join and the way you swap targets can be.
this obviously happened with scarf. good job mafia, and good job town for being dumbasses (mutton and coq were both obvious, good targets, coq being the scummier of the two with mutton playing it much cooler)
You notice that I unvoted scarf? It's because it was a real target and a real wagon. I didn't really think he was town, and my initial vote for him was random in the first place. I wasn't voting on that for shitty reasons.
Originally Posted by
coqauvin
atmosfear: can we not do the 'most votes gets lynched at time limit' and do a 'no lynch if majority isn't reached by time limit?' In Brit-or-Shit, there was a tie between me and think and think ended up getting lynched with 2 votes out of 11 players. That's fucking stupid.
basically, "if town can't commit to killing me, don't let them kill me!". chances are good that, in this sort of situation, one or both of the people in the tie are scum (likelyhood of town being stupid enough to bandwagon two innocents isn't great, even for CD towns).
Actually, it is. There are just more town than mafia. I'm gonna ask you to prove that mafia is at all likely to be caught up in it as well.
It is my personal preference that we go without less-than-majority lynches from what I saw in Mafia 2. The idea that less than a whole scum team can vote and eliminate a player based on apathy or whatever is fucking stupid. Mafia win the game by having a number that controls the vote.
Lobbying for a no-lynch here protects scum and only scum. Every time an innocent gets lynched, it's unfortunate, but town learns they need to set their sights elsewhere. no-lynch reveals jack-shit.
No, it protects the town, especially in this particular game, dumbass. Having a no-lynch day is a requirement based on the number of players (I've said that a million fucking times). How the fuck does a no-lynch help scum? While it does mean that none of them get voted, it forces them to win a lynch on the final day instead of gaining a majority through a night kill. On top of all of that, I never called for a fucking no-lynch on Day 1.
Let me break it down some more: When you have 5 people required to call for a lynch and the scum team has 3 players, allowing a majority vote at an arbitrary time gives the mafia an incredible advantage. If all three vote for the same player and the town is too divided to beat that margin, town's fucked. Especially in this game, a no-lynch is a good fucking idea.
Originally Posted by
coqauvin
in other news, i'm finding KT.'s strategy of 'keep quiet and switch votes to the latest bandwagon' to be scummy play.
Originally Posted by
coqauvin
a random vote is scummy?
we're still in the beginning of the game. did you find sponge's first vote scummy? what about sycld's?
in relating to bandwagons - joining them isn't necessarily scummy. the amount you join and the way you swap targets can be.
"oh god divert attention from me I don't want to die."
More like: you're accusing me based on this? It's a load of horseshit. This is why.
You're tunnel-visioning on me as scum and anything I do or say will make me fit the mental image you already have. This kind of play works, if you hit scum. You haven't.
heads up, a normal townie shouldn't really care if he dies, as town can still win without him.
You're right, what I want from the game is to be mislynched on the first day for outrageous stupidity. Knowing that the town might eventually win consoles me greatly, especially when they learn so much from my death.
Scum and non-scum special roles are the only ones who should particularly care.
normal townies can contribute to this game just as much as power roles, you know.
If coq wasn't scum, mafia should've (would've?) targeted him last night as he'd be a pretty obvious candidate for a special role.
Explain to me your reasoning for this. How am I an obvious candidate for a special role?
they didn't, they killed an non-threatening Think (at least I can't imagine him as threatening as of his posts this thread but you never know)
I'm not going to argue this, because it's asking about what the mafia would have done. Even talking about what you yourself would have done is an exercise in futility.
Originally Posted by
coqauvin
but we're finding out some stuff by putting pressure on people and seeing what happens
re: make town wait forever to lynch, under the guise of "learning" something, until they get frustrated and quit in a random lynch that more than likely will benefit the mafia. should be familiar by now
Or maybe: let's wait until we have something semi-tangible to go on. You notice, again, that I unvoted scarf? It's because there was nothing in his posts that made me think he was mafia. I'm not committing to a wagon that I think is full of shit.
Originally Posted by
coqauvin
i would explain various ways of identifying mafia by pressuring them, but if i do, the mafia just won't do those things
"here're the things you should look for in people to determine they're mafia... just kidding not telling, they might catch on! (subtitle: I'm not really here to help you)"
You're right! Let's take whatever mental tools I have to see whether or not someone is acting suspiciously and list all of them! The mafia won't read that, no sir! They'll ignore it and just do all that stuff anyways! This is a great idea!
Originally Posted by
coqauvin
i would explain various ways of identifying mafia by pressuring them, but if i do, the mafia just won't do those things
except
Originally Posted by
coqauvin
/unvote
I'm gonna reread the thread again, considering there's a new scarf bandwagon
Yes, post these out of chronological order then apply your own reasoning to it. It's not fallacious at all.
which was the second vote against scarf. coq basically started the bandwagon and then jumped ship? scummy!
What? Did you read my first vote against scarf? I said "he's trying to sell me a loveseat." This is clearly not a real vote. But it started the bandwagon? When the wagon did get real, I jumped ship because my vote wasn't real. You see?
Originally Posted by
coqauvin
scarf: how would we learn more from day 2 at this point?
I mean we have a couple options. cop declaring today or tomorrow and let the mafia and cop race in 'find the doctor/mafia' is one way of going about it, but in a 3/9 game, i'm not so sure how well that will work. otherwise, we continue to apply pressure to people and determine patterns in voting blocks vs. how people react.
anything we learn tomorrow will be no better than information on relationships learned today
Originally Posted by
coqauvin
Sorry for being away so long - the weekend was more hectic and involved much more driving than I thought it would.
I am still suspicious about KT and her jumping wagons so frequently on D1. To me, people who are more interested in getting a lynch through than trying to determine someone's alignment are very suspect, though there is the caveat of impatient fucking townies in these games.
I'm going to /delete KT. until further notice.
PS - at some point, either this day or day 3, the sherriff really needs to claim.
honestly this is all making me weary of kt being scum keeping in mind that they might be playing each other, assuming people won't bandwagon kt under the assumption that rick scarf only made his accusation against her in light of his pending demise.
Or KT. tripped my scum-sense and I found her suspicious.
But with these posts he's beginning to demand/suggest the sheriff come out... seriously?
Yes.
so the mafia can kill him?
This is why we have a doctor, you know.
lovely.
Only if you're an idiot.
I'm not a mafia pro but it seems you wouldn't want the sheriff publicly revealing himself until towards the end, when there's like one mafia and it's of dire importance that town wacks the right mole (hehe wack-a-mole)
No, it's pretty clear you only have a tenuous grasp of mafia.
Let me tell you a story: Once upon a time there was a forum dedicated to playing mafia and mafia variants. They found out in a standard 2/7 setup with 2 mafia, a cop and a doctor, that playing 'follow the cop' gave the town a significant advantage. To the point where town was winning a huge majority of the games just by running that strategy.
But apparently it's just to get the protected cop killed.
Originally Posted by
coqauvin
and what will the identity of that one person tell us? until we have something to give it context, we may as well all just vote at random and let the one with the most votes get lynched
Originally Posted by
coqauvin
I would rather have long, relatively active days than just quicklynch all the time
Originally Posted by
coqauvin
you may as well just have everyone roll a die and vote that way
KEEP STALLING THE TOWN TO KEEP THEM FROM MAKING AN INFORMED OR CONSCIOUS DECISION
HEY WHY DON'T YOU USE YOUR FUCKING BRAIN AND THINK ABOUT YOUR FUCKING VOTE INSTEAD OF HOPPING WAGONS AND LETTING EVERYONE ELSE DO THE THINKING AND MAFIA HUNTING
kt: don't bother defending coq, I still think you're scum and that'd only further the suspicion
everyone else:
delete coqauvin
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