Man, I could go for a can of skol right now.
Man, I could go for a can of skol right now.
They're "Skrulls" you guys and yeah, you guys need to do something because this is getting boring.
We're voting off dip? Fuck guys, I'm Grizzly, Wintergreen Long Cut, if that's the case.
That'd be Bottle of Skol.Quote:
Originally Posted by simonj
This sounds to me like a similar thing to the "lol what's QT?" but I'm not changing my vote because we are getting nowhere as it isQuote:
Originally Posted by sponge
ohQuote:
Originally Posted by Vengeful Scars
well damn
I want this day to be over, though.
I want to jump on sponge for that, but it's not that surprising.
/unvote
we need a better target.
sponge, what do you think about VS's defense to being voted?
does anyone have any suspicions currently?
Even though you didn't ask me, I think it's legit, because he seems like a pretty lazy person.
My only real suspicion would be sponge, but I mean that's barely even a reason. So far no one has done anything to make them seem suspicious.
I think we need to get through a day and night to see what happens, because so far we really have nothing to go on.
problem is, jumping from person to person like that makes pressuring seem ineffective.
But for today, VS and sycld get to be town.
/vote Atmosfear
what's up, holmes. I see you there, casting one random vote, not joining in discourse or offering opinion on pressure votes. I see you talking about game probability to seem like your contributing to the town, but really giving nothing of value. I see you.
/unkill VS
/kill Atmoscheer
might as well see what you have to say... since coq makes a good point. You haven't said much this game.
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Originally Posted by sponge
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Originally Posted by WellAdjusted
:lesigh: it was a joke, hence the "or whatever". Obviously Skrulls are comic book bad guys or something, and it wouldn't make sense to have the mafia be called "skoals" (mainly because skoal is an uncountable noun and 'skoal's sounds like child's english but also because dip tends to be immobile)Quote:
Originally Posted by coqauvin
lol geez don't get your panties all in a wad just because I made fun of your mafia flavorQuote:
Originally Posted by KT.
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Originally Posted by coqauvin
either the weakest "I'm not mafia" defense ever or he signed up for this game wanting to be a special role (mafia or town) and didn't get it, so now he just wants outQuote:
Originally Posted by Vengeful Scars
my bets are with option 2 but w/e
why thank youQuote:
Originally Posted by WellAdjusted
WE MUST ELIMINATE ALL THE SHAPE-SHIFTING CHEWBACCO
I was talking about VS being lazyQuote:
Originally Posted by spone
I agree with thisQuote:
Originally Posted by sponge
coq if I could rep you I would hahah
/UNultramega falcon PUUNCH VS
/adamantine claw Atmosflag
oh well thanks anyway I guessQuote:
Originally Posted by WellAdjusted
also lol sycld
Current Votecount
Atmoscheer (4)
simonj, coqauvin, WellAdjusted, scyld
sycld (2)
sponge, Vengeful Scars
WellAdjusted (2)
Atmoscheer, Think
No Kill (1)
Karl
With 9 alive, it takes 5 to kill off.
atmosfear last posted midday yesterday so he really shouldn't have had too much trouble responding to accusations/queries (whereas if he had only posted pre/post-working hours I'd assume he has work and social activities trumping mafia). Random vote and discussion of the finer points of probability
/kill atmosfear
Final Votecount
Atmoscheer (5)
simonj, coqauvin, WellAdjusted, scyld, sponge
WellAdjusted (2)
Atmoscheer, Think
sycld (1)
Vengeful Scars
No Kill (1)
Karl
Spider-Man may have been the first one to point a finger at the Human Torch, aka Atmoscheer, but it wasn't until Wolverine voiced his concerns did others also become suspicious of the unusually quiet Atmoscheer. A skirmish developed and Invisible Woman delivered the final blow. As Atmoscheer laid motionlessly on the ground, the other heroes gathered around to witness him turn back into his original form, a green pointy-eared alien. Seconds, then minutes passed by and Atmoscheer never transformed. Did Earth's Heroes murder one of there own?!
Iron Man arrived the scene and confirmed what everyone feared: Atmoscheer, aka the Human Torch, was an Earth Hero!
http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s...HumanTorch.jpg
NIGHT ACTIONS DUE IN 24 HOURS (Wednesday 2pm CDT/7pm GMT)
sponge you're a dumbass
Day Two Begins
Walking home late at night, Captain Marvel, aka Karl, was exhausted from a long day of helping people and protecting the Earth. Earlier that day some of his friends had mistaken his pal the Human Torch as a Skrull and killed him. In hindsight, the Human Torch was clearly not a Skrull. Karl was worried. He couldn't live with himself if he had a hand in mistakenly killing a friend. How could he fight an enemy when he didn't know exactly who that enemy was? What if his friends next think he's a Skrull? Could he fight his friends if it came down to it?
Karl was so deep in thought that he didn't realize he was being followed by two large men until it was too late. Karl could take on two men at one time with no problem. In fact he could fight two dozen normal men with no problem, but these guys weren't normal. They cornered Karl into a alley and revealed themselves to be Skrulls.
http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s...inmarvel05.jpg
The next morning couple of guys from a construction crew stumbled upon a dead body. The Skrulls had murdered Earth Hero Karl aka Captain Marvel.
With 7 alive, it takes 4 to kill.
/lynch sponge unless you can explain why you'd make such a retarded move
we already discussed this in the attn: coq thread where i called him an idiot some more
sponge that was the dumbest mafia move i've seen in a long time
I only read that thread when it had 2 posts but, either way, mafia discussion should be in this thread
the question now is: does this action make more sense from a skrull or an earth hero pov?
because i get the impression that sponge isn't a skrull and punishing a town player with a lynch only hurts town.
Wwe could always pressure sycld. He was 4th to vote for amtoscheer when, really, 3 votes out of 5 is wnough to put pressure on someone suspicious. Making the leap to the 4th vote seems scummy because it almost guarantees a lynch.
Mind you, sycld is ALWAYS suspicious because he plays like someone who doesn't care for game conventions and is more concerned with making silly jokes and just generally being the faggot that he is.
he does gain huge scum points for that move.
for the moment, though, i'm going to /vote simonj.
These reasons are identical for the reasons i was going to pressure atmosfear with. at this point, even though we've been casually discoursing, i want to hear more from you.
Well what exactly would you like to know? I think my posts so far speak for themselves. When you voted for atmoscheer he at least had something to rebutt (despite not getting a chance).
lol... what "game conventions" are you talking about?Quote:
Originally Posted by simonj
also /gay ruby eyebeam simonj
sycld is dangerous because he somehow manages to look town even when he's mafia, which makes him suspicious to me all the fucking time, but for the sake of Day 1, I let it slide. simonj had a very valid point about him voting Atmosfear to L-1 which enabled sponge to hammer.
sycld, why did you vote Atmosfear after there was enough pressure on him for him to talk?
simonj, what do you mean you have nothing to respond to? Your only contributions to the game on Day 1 were the same as Atmosfear, except you made the issue more confused somehow by taking exactly what Atmosfear said and reversing. TBH, can't personally blame you for it, but until the beginning of Day 2, that's all you had. Then, beginning of day 2, you vote to push dumb town (rather than willful scum) after his reasoning was already apparent. You then very, very quickly switch targets to sycld. What's your deal? also, part of your reasoning is based on him only making silly jokes, but this is a large part of your own gameplay (sometimes minus the silly). You certainly haven't brought anything to the table this game that gives you the high horse to condemn sycld for it.
:}Quote:
Originally Posted by coqauvin
1) Because atmosfear was flamingQuote:
sycld, why did you vote Atmosfear after there was enough pressure on him for him to talk?
2) Because it pleased me
3) Hey, I only got the vote up to 4/5. It was spooge who made the stupid move of finally offing atmosfear.
god damn you all boo fuckity hoo
I figured he was either mafia or was having a busy week. I bet wrong, oh god no
anyway think has been awfully silent except random vote and the probability discussion and a capt america remark so kill think
OoooOOoooOo You are fucking idiots. Flame on faggots oOoooOOOooOo
I pointed out a mistake in atmoscheer's post. I found the mistake suspect as Atmoscheer isn't normally the type to make mistakes in a probablility analogy but that was just me being paranoid (yeah, I get paranoid, it has got me lynched in the past).Quote:
Originally Posted by coqauvin
I voted to lynch sponge before his reasoning was apparant (it was in another thread which I hadn't read - I thought I made that clear). Once it WAS apparant I raised my suspicions of sycld (which you share). And, yes, I'm aware I often make stupid jokes in mafia games too, I wasn't condemning sycld for it, just pointing out that it makes figuring out what lies behind his posts quite difficult.
I also wouldn't exactly say I targeted sycld (I didn't actually vote to lynch him), just pointed out that he was logically the next choice to pressure.
I really dislike your reponse. It just feels slimy.
But, he didn't make a mistake. Here's the exchange:Quote:
Originally Posted by simonj
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Originally Posted by simonjNo it isn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Atmoscheer
/unlynch sponge
/lynch atmoscheer because he's been tails on the last three flips
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Originally Posted by Atmoscheer
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Originally Posted by Atmoscheer
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Originally Posted by simonj
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Originally Posted by Atmoscheer
You both said the exact same fucking thing. Where is the mistake? You just swapped heads for tails and said you fixed it. That's almost as dumb as sponge hammering Atmosfear instead of waiting one night for him to respond. Responses are more valuable than a straight flip because they give flips context. What's the point of that?
This is valid.Quote:
Originally Posted by simonj
Yes, and the same goes for yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by simonj
Which gains you Skrull points.Quote:
Originally Posted by simonj
Logically.Quote:
Originally Posted by simonj
The way you frame your response bothers me. You're trying so hard to sound innocent it interferes with explaining your actions. This desire to appear innocent, or the need to appear innocent is suspect to me.
My vote stays where it is. I'm rather confident that simonj is mafia.
troof. big time.Quote:
Originally Posted by coqauvin
i just can't get over how mafia don't realize that saying "i suspect x but i'm not gunna vote for anyone" outs you as mafia.
and if it works?Quote:
Originally Posted by simonj
don't hate the player, hate the (meta-)game.
Are you kidding me?Quote:
Originally Posted by coqauvin
I wasn't correcting his assertion that past outcomes don't make a difference I was correcting the analogy he used.
That is not right. Think of heads as 'town' and tails as 'mafia'. Then you might see why the analogy is incorrect (I will again point out that even WellAdjusted understood this mistake). That is why this is correctQuote:
Originally Posted by Atmoscheer
They're both irrelevant because, as I had stated, the original point "Past roles have no effect on the current game." is correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by Atmoscheer
That's completely fair. But being paranoid about tiny things which I have already been explained screams scum to me.Quote:
This is valid.
Yes, and the same goes for yourself.
I think constantly flip-flopping between lynchtargets is a bigger scumtell than waiting to evaluate the evidence properly.Quote:
Which gains you Skrull points.
Your accusations bother me. They're worded as though everyone should listen to you because you're clearly town when, really, I see no substantial evidence for that either.Quote:
The way you frame your response bothers me. You're trying so hard to sound innocent it interferes with explaining your actions. This desire to appear innocent, or the need to appear innocent is suspect to me.
My vote stays where it is. I'm rather confident that simonj is mafia.
Okay, so am I the only person who noticed that this thread was a reaction to coqauvin criticizing spooge for nailing the final nail in the atmosflare's coffin?
attn coq - Casual Discourse
But there was no dialogue in this thread about that vote, and PM's are not allowed.
Now, EITHER coq chided spooge over his vote via illegal PM's, or spooge was replying to a conversration on quicktopic lolwutisquicktopic*
Am I insane for thinking this?
Also, am I insane for thinking that coq's assumption that spooge is town is completely unjustified?
I think coq and spooge are both mafia. Either they are painfully obviously transparent, or I am really missing something here...Quote:
Originally Posted by coqauvin
*is not a meme
simonj
Fair enough, I guess. Personally, I understood what he was trying to convey without the semantics and I'm pretty sure everyone else did, if WellAdjusted is the scale of our cognitive ability (no offense). Which means this, as a contribution to looking for Skrulls, is valueless.Quote:
Originally Posted by simonj
Then give us details and context. You, instead, just said 'because he isn't always serious, he's potentially scum'. This is much different than the example I used in Mafia 5.1 where I drew an accurate parallel between Vengeful Scars voting KT. to get town points the exact same way MrShrike did so against me in Mafia 2.Quote:
Originally Posted by simonj
So expand your condemnation of sycld, if you believed he was the next logical choice.
oh, so the first vote we cast is the only one we're supposed to have? Maybe we can swap x amount of times, but what value of x=flip flopping?Quote:
Originally Posted by simonj
Tell me, simonj, what if you start a bandwagon on someone and, after some pressure, you genuinely believe they aren't mafia? What should you, or I, do in that situation?
Remember how I said "guys, for what it's worth, I don't think sycld is scum" when I unvoted him? At that point, I swapped to Vengeful Scars. Turns out I didn't like that target either. Too little information to put his response into context. Was I the only one with this opinion?
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Originally Posted by WellAdjusted
Oh. I guess all three mafia backed each other up on that one.Quote:
Originally Posted by sponge
So I swapped to Atmosfear for another target for pressure, which, as we know, didn't pan out as expected.
I already explained that I didn't like switching between so many targets in such a short time frame because it gives the impression that applying this pressure doesn't have any effect or consequence.
Now, with my vote history all summed up nice and neatly, I can understand the direction you're coming from by saying this flip-flopping is a mafia tell. Is it really? There's a fine distinction between what I'm doing, which is starting bandwagons and testing reactions to determine alignment, and what scummy flipflopping is, which is just jumping bandwagons in progress to get a faster lynch of someone who's town. Maybe you'll bring up KT. in Mafia 5.1 and her D1 jumping between targets, but this falls into the latter case. Keep in mind, I started and stopped all of those bandwagons, save the last. Would that kind of play benefit the Skrulls in a reasonable way?
About waiting to evaluate the evidence properly: What evidence? You just said "Hey, maybe we should target sycld. Uh, he's not being serious and blah blah blah". Where and how do you expect to get evidence from that? Like sycld's just going to jump up and say "Hey, you got me!" because you thinking about maybe pressuring him if someone else wants to do it too? That's dumb, and you're dumb if you think that's valid. How do you plan on getting 'evidence' (what is evidence, for that matter?) by doing what you did?
Mirroring my accusation and changing a noun and verb here and there don't buy you town points either, you know.Quote:
Originally Posted by simonj
Let's address this thing about me being town. Do my actions make more sense from me being scum or me being town? I would genuinely like to know what you think of this.
sycld
No. After the Day was done, before I locked the thread, I left a message that said: "sponge, you're an idiot." KT. asked me to delete it, so I did. I'm going to undelete it for a couple days so you have context. This was pretty out of line from me, and I apologize for pulling a stunt like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by sycld
Here is the link to the post in question: Post #60 in this thread.
No, you're not. But based on the conversation in the other thread (which shouldn't actually be the case: this argument should have happened in this thread after Day 2 began) and sponge's reactions in game thus far, I'm inclined to believe he's town. I don't think that lynching sponge is a good idea, right now. Hey, maybe he'll ask what QuickTopic is and I'll change my mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by sycld
You are missing something, and I filled that in.Quote:
Originally Posted by sycld