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    feel like funkin' it up gwahir's Avatar
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    sorry uh how was the spinning top a red herring and where did togs's comment come from

    are you talking about the end

    because the only thing to say about the end that makes sense is that the events of the film could have been a dream or not -- there is no definitive answer because we are not told one way or the other; it is not even indicated.

    disclaimer: i need to see it again to make sure there aren't intricate hints laid out through the film.

    it is up to the viewer whether it was a dream or not. saying authoritatively it is or is not is retarded and unbecoming of any insightful discussion of the movie (like debating the guilt or innocence of the priest in doubt - disclaimer: i have not seen that movie).

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    Quote Originally Posted by gwahir View Post
    sorry uh how was the spinning top a red herring and where did togs's comment come from

    are you talking about the end

    because the only thing to say about the end that makes sense is that the events of the film could have been a dream or not -- there is no definitive answer because we are not told one way or the other; it is not even indicated.

    disclaimer: i need to see it again to make sure there aren't intricate hints laid out through the film.

    it is up to the viewer whether it was a dream or not. saying authoritatively it is or is not is retarded and unbecoming of any insightful discussion of the movie (like debating the guilt or innocence of the priest in doubt - disclaimer: i have not seen that movie).
    Yes, at the end.

    I don't think anyone makes an insightful interpretation of the movie based on the top. It's irrelevant, because only if the movie is real does the outcome of the spin even matter; if the movie is a dream then the "totem" is a dream construct anyways.

    The better indicator that it's a dream is the fact that he isn't reunited with his children, he's reunited with the memory of his children in the exact same position he had seen them last. It's been a few weeks, so I can't recall details, but time had clearly passed (at some point, I seem to remember the dad mentioning at least a year but I could be wrong.) Children don't stay 7 years old in the same clothes playing in the same way.

    The point, though, is that the line is supposed to be blurry, indicative of the way a director feels as he immerses himself into a film (see also: Heath Ledger hint hint.)

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