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    Quote Originally Posted by sycld View Post
    Are you saying you've played the TL2 beta? I want to get it, but I'm spending too much cash on games...

    From what I've heard, there are major balance issues in harder difficulty levels, namely that melee classes lack the durability to survive. Anyone else confirm/deny this? I've only started playing now.
    Yeah, I got in the beta a couple weeks ago. I've played 100% Hardcore Elite, so I'm not sure what the balance is like on easier levels, to be honest, but I don't think ranged classes are explicitly better than melee. Overall, I think Embermage is strongest, Engineer is second, Berserker is third, and Outlander is the weakest in solo play. You definitely can't just go all-in with a melee character all the time, but you can't really do that with a ranged character either. Of course, you'll probably want to carry a ranged weapon with some sort of disable effect or knockback just in case you need to run away for a while, but the paperdoll has two weapon set slots for a reason....

    I will say that I've had trouble keeping a Berserker alive, but I haven't played many. They do actually have ways of sustaining themselves though; a passive that gives 5% lifesteal on critical hits (+0.67% per skill level above 1st), and an invulnerable dash that heals a % of the character's max hp on hit. The lifesteal passive in particular is a big deal because having a full Charge bar means 100% crits for the class.

    Engineer gets a summon which heals a flat amount of HP over time, scaling with skill and character level, to all allies (incl. pets) nearby every few seconds. This means that they don't have to spend nearly as much money on health potions as an Embermage does - there's pretty much no reason for the Engineer to even use them unless you're in a large fight, whereas an Embermage pretty much has to top off every time he/she gets hit. Even going 4 focus / 1 vit every level, my best Embermage so far was still in the health range to get 2 or 3-hit by Champion and Elite level enemies. Mordrox nearly one-shotted him, and he was level 14 at the time ("recommended level" for that dungeon is 7-10).

    In spite of the squishiness, Embermages definitely feel the strongest to me. They have everything a class could ask for in terms of utility - a large AoE + short cooldown slow and DoT with a 50% (+1% per skill level over 1st) chance to stun each target for 3 seconds and a damage amplification effect, a short range 85% 3s stun / 90% interrupt with effectively no cooldown, a blink (bonus: it does damage), and a ton of other stuff.
    Still Alive, maybe.

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    I'm getting thrashed in Nightmare mode as a Demon Hunter.

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    They nerfed demon hunter today for some reason and not wizard. Well - they nerfed one of the wizard's most useless skills.
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    Jeklah#2389
    Andy says:
    prince of persia is more skill than hack and slash
    ShitFace says:
    i dont think skill is a genre of game lol
    Andy says:
    of course it is you have seen the crystal maze havnt you?
    he says what next a skill physical mental?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Narcowski View Post
    Yeah, I got in the beta a couple weeks ago. I've played 100% Hardcore Elite, so I'm not sure what the balance is like on easier levels, to be honest, but I don't think ranged classes are explicitly better than melee.
    Oh I was talking about DIII.

    But you're gonna have to shut up, or you're gonna make me blow $20 more bucks on TII

    I kid. But... probably will buy it


    Wow...Wizards are just.. powerful. I love the utility and control skills, which work so well with the extremely damaging but slightly difficult-to-place super high DPS skills.

    The bane of my existence are the 30 s lag spikes, which make it completely out of the question to roll a hardcore character until Blizzard fixes them. Otherwise I'd get nowhere while I kept losing characters due to a random loss of control.

    Ok, so Belial...




    Oh, and.... can someone explain this thread to me?

    http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/top...5708292?page=1

    What's the big problem with DIII itemization...?
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    Wow.

    Finished the game in Normal. Visually and aurally it was stunning and flawless.

    I suppose it's time, however, for the real game to begin. I made it as a level 33 Wizard. I suppose that' s little higher than I'd have liked.


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    Quote Originally Posted by sycld View Post
    Oh, and.... can someone explain this thread to me?

    http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/top...5708292?page=1

    What's the big problem with DIII itemization...?
    Uniques are ultra-rare in diablo 3 and generally a lot shittier than rares of the same level.

    Blizzard pretty much put no effort in designing uniques and most of them have a few set modifiers and then several random mods which makes it virtually impossible to get a good unique without paying 100 mil at the auction house
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    I beat Hell yesterday and it was really hard compared to Nightmare, Inferno is literally impossible to solo with my SS nerf.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nermy2k View Post
    Uniques are ultra-rare in diablo 3 and generally a lot shittier than rares of the same level.

    Blizzard pretty much put no effort in designing uniques and most of them have a few set modifiers and then several random mods which makes it virtually impossible to get a good unique without paying 100 mil at the auction house
    Pfft that's all they're whining about, a problem that can easily be fixed with a patched revision of unique items?

    The way some of them are complaining makes it sounds like an insurmountable problem.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nick2.1 View Post
    I beat Hell yesterday and it was really hard compared to Nightmare, Inferno is literally impossible to solo with my SS nerf.
    I can't imagine what Inferno is going to be like on my Wizard.

    I'll feel like a god, until I I mistime something and get 1-shotted by an imp.


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    Quote Originally Posted by sycld View Post
    I can't imagine what Inferno is going to be like on my Wizard.

    I'll feel like a god, until I I mistime something and get 1-shotted by an imp.
    If it makes you feel better you're not actually mistiming. Check your ping sometime, the average is about 300ms, and often it'll be 500+. I mean I guess it's better than the servers not being up at all, but I feel bad for people who are pathologically compelled to make a hardcore character because sometimes life saving skills just refuse to trigger.
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    I hardly ever get lag tbh
    Andy says:
    prince of persia is more skill than hack and slash
    ShitFace says:
    i dont think skill is a genre of game lol
    Andy says:
    of course it is you have seen the crystal maze havnt you?
    he says what next a skill physical mental?


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    I beat normal yesterday! Now I can start running through and skipping dialogues lol. Nightmare is hella hard.. feels as hard as act 3/4 normal lol. Look at me a week behind you guys.. .

    and on the subject of lag, I usually see myself within the 50-300 ms range. Last night I was in the red with about 1200ms though, but I think someone in my house was just downloading. Gave me some 2 minute spikes, but besides yesterday, I didn't really have any issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sycld View Post
    I can't imagine what Inferno is going to be like on my Wizard.

    I'll feel like a god, until I I mistime something and get 1-shotted by an imp.
    It's stupidly unfair, the classes and mobs I'm sure will be balanced soon enough. Mobs are harder then bosses and for some classes it's impossible to solo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nermy2k View Post
    If it makes you feel better you're not actually mistiming. Check your ping sometime, the average is about 300ms, and often it'll be 500+. I mean I guess it's better than the servers not being up at all, but I feel bad for people who are pathologically compelled to make a hardcore character because sometimes life saving skills just refuse to trigger.
    My latency is normally not higher than 300 ms, but even then I think that 1/3 of a second has cost me.

    And even beyond latency, like I said: 10 seconds of loss of control over my character because of lag spikes often results in a death.

    It's one thing to have permanent death in a turned based game like a Rogue-like, but in a real-time action game like Diablo where a simple accident or a couple seconds loss of control could cost you everything, I just don't understand it.


    I dunno... as a solo wizard in Nightmare, it feels like things are dying rather slowly, even while my character is quite squishy. Perhaps I'm wrong about that.

    I will say this: I don't know how I could do this without Diamond Skin (absorbs all damage up to a limit for a period of time). Also, Teleport with Wormhole is incredible: it's a blink, but after the first use the CD is delayed for a second which means you can get up to 2 more casts off. It's just amazing control.


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    Yeah, diamond skin and wormhole are great defensive skills. Unfortunately they mean nothing as of Act IV hell when even the most basic of enemies can shatter through diamond skin like it was paper and can teleport just as well as you can. I'll probably have to trade in some DPS for survivability if I want to solo Act IV hell, but it's probably easier to find a friend who's a good tank.

    Also sycld, if the auction house is ever up again you should go buy some new gear because you should be tearing through enemies on nightmare like a kleenex at a snot party.
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    I'm gettin my butt handed to me in nightmare as a wiz -_-.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nermy2k View Post

    Also sycld, if the auction house is ever up again you should go buy some new gear because you should be tearing through enemies on nightmare like a kleenex at a snot party.
    Sweet Enola Gay, son!


    I'm doing better as a Wizard now after changing some things with my build. I'm not at my PC right now, but I think it's something like this (keeping in mind I'm only like level 36):
    http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculato...dgj!aWX!aZaZZa

    I think I'm using Familiar with Sparkflint, at least, but I'm not certain. And when I get to level 57, I'm definitely getting the Thrown Blade rune for Spectral Blade.

    I'm trying a Witch Doctor too, and actually I'm enjoying them more now than I did before.


    EDIT:
    By the way, about Diamond Skin: because of the nature of damage reduction from armor and resists, even if DS's damage absorption cap remained the same, the effective amount of damage it absorbed would go up linearly with armor and resistance. By "effective damage absorbed", I mean the amount dealt before taking into account damage reduction effects. Thus Diamond Skin remains effective throughout the game, and can be made more effective if more emphasis is placed on armor rather than Vitality.

    Well, actually, it's always preferable to increase effective health with more armor than to increase your health pool size with Vitality. Again, by "effective health," I mean the amount total amount damage you can soak up, which is reduced by damage reduction before being deducted from your health pool. The reason why armor is better is because it increases the effectiveness of non-scaling healing and damage absorption effects. This is because the damage reduction from armor makes each point of health represent a higher amount of pre-DR damage.
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    I'm playing through on hell atm with witch doctor.
    It's pretty fucking hard. Some of the mobs are ridiculous. 200k hp, teleport, molten and duplicate..lasers on the floor, bombs being thrown. Shit gets pretty hectic in a full group.

    Comparing it to wow, i would say difficulty wise, normal is lvling, nightmare is 5man dungeons, hell is raiding.
    Inferno will be interesting.

    I am still loving it.
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    of course it is you have seen the crystal maze havnt you?
    he says what next a skill physical mental?


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    Inferno is is hardcore raiding mode on meth.

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    Sounds awesome.

    I bought a whole load of gear tonight...now my dps is 4.4k...got it up to 8.7k with buffs. Getting 26k crits with my aoe. awwww yeaaaa
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    prince of persia is more skill than hack and slash
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    of course it is you have seen the crystal maze havnt you?
    he says what next a skill physical mental?


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    I have about 30k dps, non white mobs still take a long while to kill(after about 5 deaths). Most mobs will kill you in one shot if you aren't careful or a melee class.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sycld View Post
    Sweet Enola Gay, son!


    I'm doing better as a Wizard now after changing some things with my build. I'm not at my PC right now, but I think it's something like this (keeping in mind I'm only like level 36):
    http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculato...dgj!aWX!aZaZZa
    Just discussing Wizard tactics.

    I like this build, though I usually play with my friend who's a Demon hunter and he DPS's while I disable.
    http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculato...dQX!cVZ!bZZaZa

    Electrocute attacks pretty quickly, and with 8% stun I find it quite useful. Teleport is fun, I usually use diamond skin or something else for fun. But Push and Ice is always a must for me. Blizzard helps when I can get them on a chokepoint. That 20% freeze is useful while Freeze is down, and since I attack so fast with electrocute and get 4 mana per hit, it's pretty good for me. I just don't do much damage =/, but I can usually handle my own in nightmare solo. But when I play with my friends, I'm basically just a disabler.

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    Here's my Wizard build. She's built for pure DPS, with force armor and diamond skin for some survivability:

    http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculato...RSX!YXb!cYabZa

    Very little difficulty on Act 1 inferno other than a few choice yellow mobs and the rare blue mob, but can barely handle Act 2 which I think I just need better gear for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nick2.1 View Post
    I have about 30k dps, non white mobs still take a long while to kill(after about 5 deaths). Most mobs will kill you in one shot if you aren't careful or a melee class.
    okay.jpg
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    of course it is you have seen the crystal maze havnt you?
    he says what next a skill physical mental?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nermy2k View Post
    Here's my Wizard build. She's built for pure DPS, with force armor and diamond skin for some survivability:

    http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculato...RSX!YXb!cYabZa

    Very little difficulty on Act 1 inferno other than a few choice yellow mobs and the rare blue mob, but can barely handle Act 2 which I think I just need better gear for.
    I'll try that out, but my items probably suck compared to yours, and I sure am gonna miss push/freeze/ice =(.

    Edit: well I'm only level 46 right now so I can't do that yet :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nermy2k View Post
    Here's my Wizard build. She's built for pure DPS, with force armor and diamond skin for some survivability:

    http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculato...RSX!YXb!cYabZa

    Very little difficulty on Act 1 inferno other than a few choice yellow mobs and the rare blue mob, but can barely handle Act 2 which I think I just need better gear for.
    Why's Energy Armor on your mouse? To quickly toggle it on/off?

    Also it's interesting that 4 of your skills are long-term persistent effects that operate on their own after you activate them. But I guess they all continuously add to your DPS while you nuke with Disintegrate (except for Energy Armor), whereas non-persistent skills would not.


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    Quote Originally Posted by crapoo16 View Post
    I'll try that out, but my items probably suck compared to yours, and I sure am gonna miss push/freeze/ice =(.

    Edit: well I'm only level 46 right now so I can't do that yet :P
    I definitely rolled with frost nova and wave of force for a while, but I have no idea how you can do it without Evocation. Even with evocation the cooldowns were way too long to ever be used effectively anywhere other than normal. Electrocute is pretty good for your level, I used it then too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nermy2k View Post
    I definitely rolled with frost nova and wave of force for a while, but I have no idea how you can do it without Evocation. Even with evocation the cooldowns were way too long to ever be used effectively anywhere other than normal. Electrocute is pretty good for your level, I used it then too.
    My cooldowns seem fine to me :P. But, I don't think I could live without my other passives, so thats why I have to. Your build definitely is DPS though, no support at all though haha, but I want to try it. I played with a friend earlier was also going armor/disintegrate/spark flint, but he kept moving so I couldn't inspect him =(.

    Been playing around with builds and I do about 5x more damage than I used to, but I die so much more :P. Finally beat nightmare today though.
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    So I just made 5million.

    Awww yeahahhhhhhh.

    *throws gold in the air*

    anyone else getting in on the unidentified market?
    Andy says:
    prince of persia is more skill than hack and slash
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    i dont think skill is a genre of game lol
    Andy says:
    of course it is you have seen the crystal maze havnt you?
    he says what next a skill physical mental?


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    Sigh, I feel like 1.0.3 made the game worse. I hate spending 25k on repairs -_-.

    I don't feel like spending hella cash to go through act 3, so I've just been item farming act 1 over and over again/making new characters.

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    Apparently they've reconized that general wear and tear on armour is too much and they're going to reduce it. But if you die a lot then yeah you are stuck with repair bills. The idea is to make people die less.
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    of course it is you have seen the crystal maze havnt you?
    he says what next a skill physical mental?


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    Of course! The enemies don't feel that much weaker, or at least the champion packs don't. The boss's having a time limit is kinda dumb too. Instead of playing it safe against belial, I had to go straight DPS and take her out before 3 minutes or else she'd drop constant 127k damage meteor's on me. There were way too many to dodge :P.

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    There's enrage timers on bosses? That's stupid, and really it serves as nothing more at all other than a gear check.

    But is this how Blizzard is trying to extend content: by forcing certain levels of gears before you can pass bosses? If that's so, then this is definitely an instance in which they are making DIII more like WoW (even though when people usually level this accusation they're being absurd).


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    I wish the auction house was better. I know it's not much but I just sold an item for 170k and I can't even tell what it is that i sold!

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    shift click the pile of gold before you send it to stash.
    Andy says:
    prince of persia is more skill than hack and slash
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    i dont think skill is a genre of game lol
    Andy says:
    of course it is you have seen the crystal maze havnt you?
    he says what next a skill physical mental?


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    ohh thanks, let me try that next time. too bad i already sent to stash =(.

    Nvm, it don't work
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    you need to click the little pile of gold, not the amount of gold. it does work.
    Andy says:
    prince of persia is more skill than hack and slash
    ShitFace says:
    i dont think skill is a genre of game lol
    Andy says:
    of course it is you have seen the crystal maze havnt you?
    he says what next a skill physical mental?


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    what's everyones biggest sale on the AH btw?
    I sold a helm for 3mil the other week, that's my highest.
    Andy says:
    prince of persia is more skill than hack and slash
    ShitFace says:
    i dont think skill is a genre of game lol
    Andy says:
    of course it is you have seen the crystal maze havnt you?
    he says what next a skill physical mental?


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    Quote Originally Posted by ShitFace View Post
    you need to click the little pile of gold, not the amount of gold. it does work.
    I tried clicking everywhere! -_- Let me try again..

    Got it.. chat has to be opened
    Last edited by crapoo16; 06-28-2012 at 08:47 PM.

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    You guys still playing?

    Big game changing patch tomorrow it seems. I'm looking forward to trying out this new paragon level shit. Also the legendary improvments sound amazing.
    Also they are making loads of changes to witch doctor, pets actually being viable now, more mana regen and other shit. Looking forward to playing that class again.

    Discuss?
    Andy says:
    prince of persia is more skill than hack and slash
    ShitFace says:
    i dont think skill is a genre of game lol
    Andy says:
    of course it is you have seen the crystal maze havnt you?
    he says what next a skill physical mental?


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