Thread: God dammit Hollywood, NO, NO, NO, NO!!

Originally Posted by gwahir

hang on i get emotionally invested in books, video games, movies and plenty of other storytelling mediums

this makes you a bitch

Originally Posted by gwahir

but i don't care if someone makes a bad adaptation of something i like

a level headed bitch

Is Shadow Of Colossus the game Adam Sandler and Don Cheadle play in Reign Over Me?

It is.

Uh, I guess I could better describe it as this:

The other day I read a short story that I found to be profound. I got my girlfriend to read it, and she also enjoyed it. If someone were to make a movie adaptation out of it, and it completely ruined the story, I would feel empathetic towards the people that would never read the story because they saw the movie, and therefore, never experience what I did.

this empathetic feeling towards people is enough to cause you to get angry

lol

this is a classic backpedal

Originally Posted by MalReynolds

It is.

Uh, I guess I could better describe it as this:

The other day I read a short story that I found to be profound. I got my girlfriend to read it, and she also enjoyed it. If someone were to make a movie adaptation out of it, and it completely ruined the story, I would feel empathetic towards the people that would never read the story because they saw the movie, and therefore, never experience what I did.

But that's not the point. It doesn't mean they won't ever read the story and it doesn't make the story any less good.

Christ, The Beach was a terrible terrible movie that I did not enjoy slightly. Someone lent me the book and it's now one of my favourite books. When I think of the film I don't get upset that they 'ruined the story' (which they did), I just think 'meh, they could have made that a lot better'.

However much you don't enjoy something should not affect your enjoyment of the thing you originally enjoyed. They're different experiences, only loosely connected by some vague premise such as 'title' or some semblance of the plot (which is basically all Hollywood are buying when they optioned the rights in the first place)

Originally Posted by MalReynolds

It is.

Uh, I guess I could better describe it as this:

The other day I read a short story that I found to be profound. I got my girlfriend to read it, and she also enjoyed it. If someone were to make a movie adaptation out of it, and it completely ruined the story, I would feel empathetic towards the people that would never read the story because they saw the movie, and therefore, never experience what I did.

i kinda get what you're saying, but that's hardly the point of the op.

Originally Posted by faesce

this makes you a bitch


a level headed bitch

this is pretty much spot on

Originally Posted by gwahir

i kinda get what you're saying, but that's hardly the point of the op.

I know, I was just trying to explain my view of why poor adaptations irritate me.

Also as a cinema fan, when they adapt games to movies, it's not like there's a shortage of excellent, well thought out stories to choose from.

Rofl, look what this has turned into.

Making a whiney thread on a forum isn't a big deal. It isn't like I am pacing the room, head in hand and worried sick, muttering to myself "oh no man...they can't man...oh no, please no". It isn't like it has struck me with insomnia and I spend the twilight hours in a darkened room, teary eyed as I replay SotC and whimper words like "I can't believe this is happening...mwaa, bwaaa".

So what if I care about a video game? So what if I get slightly annoyed when people take something I enjoy from one medium and butcher it on another? If the thing finds this alien and beyond comprehension, tough titties. It hardly strikes me as irratic or abnormal behaviour.

People have done this for years when they announce screen adaptations of novels. The thing swaggers in all like "lol nerds, I am calling you a nerd, therefore I am not, booya bitchs" then shits all over everything and feels pleased with itself. Thinking that if it was human, it would be the James Dean of the internet. Did you take your shades off to make your posts? The thing's claim to be masculine doesn't fool anyone.

I think me and Mal differ in that it will never spoil my enjoyment of the game, never. It just annoys me when they do this, and I made a thread about it, as I happen to know things like this annoy some other people here too. Added to the fact that the decision itself to make this into a film strikes me as a very bad and risky one, which puzzles me more than anything.

If it doesn't bother you, great. Don't come on and tell me there is an objective response and try to tell me I am wrong, stupid and an asshole for getting annoyed. "YOU RESPOND TO THINGS IN THE MANNER I DEEM FIT, ALL ELSE IS FOLLY, FAGETS!!!, BUT FIRST I SHALL BLOW THIS OUT OF PROPORTION", that is what you sound like.

Oh, it won't crush my enjoyment of said product, but it will make me sad that people may be deterred from seeking out the original.

Uh, for one, I will never play Dungeon Seige or Blood Rayne because the movies were fucking dildos. Likewise, I watched "The Shining", then read the book - now I can't stand the movie, so it bums me out that people love the movie so much as an adaptation even though it's a crash course in Stanley Kubrick's School of Flagrant Racism.

In short, people are stupid and I hate them.

Uh, I'm still sorry you don't get emotionally invested in things you enjoy.

What, prey tell, do you get emotionally invested in, if not something you like doing?

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I just shit all over this thread.


Edit: Also, there is shit on your popcorn Mr.E, I wouldn't eat that if I were you.

Maybe it has to do with my hobbies - primarily writing, where it's somewhat beneficial to get emotionally invested in what I do, that carries over into other stuff that I enjoy, whereas Faesce's hobbies are pretty much being a dick-fuck.

you went from "rabble rabble this ruins my vision" to "rabble rabble it's going to ruin other people's visions" as soon as you realized what you were saying was dumb

take one step back might as well take a hundred >arguing101<

(ps i dont get emotionally attached to arts because i am not gay and i am not a female)

uh what

you fucking moron

Originally Posted by MalReynolds

It doesn't effect one's enjoyment of the game, but if a person has somekind of feeling tied to the game and would like someone else to have that feeling - for example, I dunno, the end of Ico - the odds of said person playing that game are a lot less likely if the movie is shit.

Plus, people like seeing good representations of their favorite IPs on the screen, because it invokes nostalgia, etc.

Long story short, you're dumb.

then I went on to defend emotional investment in hobbies

two seperate arguments you goddamn massive hernia

then I went back to defending ruining a story for other people

look I know it's tough to follow because you have FAS or something but I went A, B, A

but you just kind of cover your eyes with one hand and then flail around with your other and go "huh what huh what huh what oh hey nachos".

i could honestly quote your posts and attempt to illustrate the fact that you have no idea how to form a coherent opinion much less an argument and stick by it but i'll spare the readers the cringeworthy task of reading over your posts again.

pretty sure nobody agrees with your any of your various and every changing viewpoints except gismo anyway

but if i'm wrong speak up people by all means (oh wait there has been like a hundred people who have agreed with me already)

keep arguing son you're building up your street cred

I was arguing two separate things.

One: I dislike when my favorite IPs are made into sub par products because it lessens the chance that someone else will get the same effect from the original product.

Two: I get emotionally invested in my hobbies, and do not find it strange.

I went back and forth as the occasion called for it.

oh no wait I see where I misstepped. I got too into calling you an idiot and lost track of what I was saying. But it's no secret, Fasece. I'm a terrible debater.

no really I'm baffled that anyone thinks I think I'm good at debating. This is all news to me. I'm awful at arguing more than one topic at the same time - often, arguing one topic will be enough to confuse me. It's not a big secret.

I don't think I've ever logged more than 20 hours into a game that didn't have some online component, and parts of games will stop and make me think. I do get really into characters (not into character, as in, when I play an FPS I'm not HOLY SHIT I'M DOOM GUY RIP AND TEAAARRR), but I really, really like good stories. Tales of the Abyss has some of the best character development I've ever seen in a game and the story is nothing short of fantastic, which resonated with me.

Then again, I guess I could be considered more in touch with my feminine side. I don't put on make up or weird shit like that, but I can be emotional. I also think there's a high probability that I'm mentally sick unbalanced is a better word.

I don't know, it has really been a long time since I've played a game with character depth and story. The jury will come back in a few weeks.

Ok this is just a very typical example of passive/active timewasting.

Video games are an active form of timewasting. You don't just turn your brain off while you're playing a video game, you have to think, make judgements and become involved in what you're doing to get anything rewarding out of the experience.

Movies are a passive form of timewasting. You sit there, you watch the movie and, sure, you might make judgements and have thoughts about the movie but really you're just being entertained by something made for your entertainment.

The plain and simple reason video games will never translate well to the medium of film is that they are simply not supposed to. They don't have the same raison d'etre. No one makes a video game with the intention of making it solely like a movie, you have to write a video game in a very specific way. Passive video games are universally terrible.

Similarly, no one has made a movie that gives you what a videogame does because a movie can not give you that active form of enjoyment.

It's a similar thing with the books into movies argument. Whilst books are also a passive form of entertainment, they are still much more active than movies because you are forced to imagine what you read in to detail in your head. Now because the human imagination is (generally speaking) much more elaborate than a movie will ever really be able to show, people will get pissed off at lame adaptations of books. Are they right to get so pissed off? Maybe somewhat because there have so far been exceptional movie adaptations of books so people see it as something that can be done. However, it should always be taken with a pinch of salt because it's so fucking hard to get right.

You just need a much bigger pinch of salt when it comes to movie adaptations of video games because it's pretty much fucking impossible to get right and, either way, a movie will never give you what the game gave you.

I could now get into a huge spiel about why it's incredibly easy for video games based on movies to be successful and brilliant but, honestly, if you can't figure that out for yourself then you're a complete retard.

Originally Posted by coqauvin

the fact that you brag about being in touch with your feminine side tells me you're more confused tha mentally unstable

i don't feel like ranting about societal constraints right now

I'm also not really confused. I have trouble focusing and lose interest in usual activities a whole lot. All classic signs of depression.

Originally Posted by coqauvin

no no the problem is not you, it's the vision you have of yourself filtered through your environment; how you see yourself, vs. how you think you should see yourself and how you got those expectations and why all of that is fucked up

but that is way too much effort

fatso

Originally Posted by simonj

Ok this is just a very typical example of passive/active timewasting.

Video games are an active form of timewasting. You don't just turn your brain off while you're playing a video game, you have to think, make judgements and become involved in what you're doing to get anything rewarding out of the experience.

Movies are a passive form of timewasting. You sit there, you watch the movie and, sure, you might make judgements and have thoughts about the movie but really you're just being entertained by something made for your entertainment.

The plain and simple reason video games will never translate well to the medium of film is that they are simply not supposed to.

every single thing in this is wrong. especially the timewasting business.

I don't know you guys, I played some Halo last night and as my fellow Spartans were dieing around me I got a little choked up yo

Originally Posted by gwahir

every single thing in this is wrong. especially the timewasting business.

I didn't mean timewasting literally.

Also, no. There is a difference between the way you interact with a video game and the way you interact with a movie. You are not a part of the movie you are watching. You do not change anything in the movie by watching it. It will be the same either way. When you play a video game you are a much bigger part of the overall experience. What you do affects the game and your mind works in a much different way. They are both generically forms of escapism but they aredifferent forms of escapism.

I mean you can't just say I'm wrong and not say why you disagree. Except about the timewasting part which is a word I used with a pinch of salt.

Yes, I've already said I did not mean timewasting in the literal sense. I mean jesus, I'm basically as much of an arts faggot as Gwahir.

That does not change the whole active/passive thing. Just because you get emotionally involved does not mean you are actively enjoying a piece of art. It's still passive.

And my point was not about how emotionally involved you should/do get in an art form. It was about why specific art forms do not relate to each other as people expect/demand them to.

Originally Posted by sycld

i think this conversation has already gone over the brink into the realm of apples versus oranges, where the debate centers around juiciness versus taste rather than anything substantive or meaningful.

that said,

I really really like oranges.

Is how I read your post, as much as I actually agreed with it.