Thread: League of Legends (LoL)

right from the start.

and after laning.

Look at it this way - the jungle is a resource of buffs, xp and gold just waiting for you to harvest it. If there's ever any downtime (you're not getting pushed, you're not in the middle of a push, too far away from a gank or whatever), then kill jungle creeps and take that gold. When you're high enough level, it only takes a couple hits and you should farm that shit all the time.

Now, there's a group of champs that start in the jungle, leaving the top lane solo, mid lane solo and a duo bottom lane. The jungler goes through his route from level 1, killing all the neutral monsters and collecting the buffs. They clock out at level 4 with about 400-500 gold (don't remember off the top of my head). The advantages to having a jungler on your team are:

-a constantly MIA champion who could appear to gank the enemy at any time
-control over your jungle
-control over the dragon (either because your jungler claims it, or because it's constantly warded)
-a second champion who enjoys the advantages of solo lane exp/gold
-a floater who can cover lanes where people need relief to buy and heal up

basically, if nobody's jungling, you're just gimping yourself. It really doesn't matter much until you hit mid-level ELO though.

There's a secondary game that revolves around junglers, though. If there's one on each team, they're competing for the dragon control and will often slip into enemy territory to gank their rival while they're weak from fighting. Ganking the jungler before minions spawn is another (they almost always start at the blue golem, especially fiddlesticks, udyr, warwick). I've had 5v5 teamfights at level 1 from both teams trying to gank and protect their jungles.

to guard against junglers, always drop a ward in the bushes at the top/bottom of your lane - the single bush that sits in the river, not the pair that's lined up against the wall. It is well worth the 75 gold from your first bluepill

That's why I love Eve for the anti-jungle capability.

Originally Posted by TheOriginalGrumpySpy

That's why I love Eve for the anti-jungle capability.

do you jungle with eve?

i don't know how you play, but whenever I see eve on the other team, I layer my lane with vision wards (hurts my build, but i play supports anyways) and ward the chokepoints in the jungle regularly. I'm wondering what you think about playing a stealth based champ and how it generally goes for you

Originally Posted by coqauvin

do you jungle with eve?

i don't know how you play, but whenever I see eve on the other team, I layer my lane with vision wards (hurts my build, but i play supports anyways) and ward the chokepoints in the jungle regularly. I'm wondering what you think about playing a stealth based champ and how it generally goes for you

I used to jungle eve. Not so much anymore. I usually just lane until lvl 6 + sheen. Then gank time. A lot of players talk down on stealth champions, but I find it very fun to be able to solo champions as I cruise through their jungle mid/late game. I also used to be AP, but I've recently switched to AD and the change is clear as day. An AP Eve may pack a punch with ravage, but an AD Eve can sustain the damage and I can usually take down an ashe, for example, in 3-4 hits.

Hmm, wow... Warwick seems a little too powerful.

I don't remember which champions are free this week, but I'll try to pick another jungler if Warwick isn't available and give it a shot.

Originally Posted by sycld

Hmm, wow... Warwick seems a little too powerful.

I don't remember which champions are free this week, but I'll try to pick another jungler if Warwick isn't available and give it a shot.

Cho’gath
Kassadin
Ryze
Soraka
Teemo
Tristana
Veigar
Gragas
Mordekaiser
Irelia


Also, try to be proficient in all categories of team contributors. Bursters, healers, tanks, support etc.

Originally Posted by coqauvin

right from the start.

and after laning.

Look at it this way - the jungle is a resource of buffs, xp and gold just waiting for you to harvest it. If there's ever any downtime (you're not getting pushed, you're not in the middle of a push, too far away from a gank or whatever), then kill jungle creeps and take that gold. When you're high enough level, it only takes a couple hits and you should farm that shit all the time.

Now, there's a group of champs that start in the jungle, leaving the top lane solo, mid lane solo and a duo bottom lane. The jungler goes through his route from level 1, killing all the neutral monsters and collecting the buffs. They clock out at level 4 with about 400-500 gold (don't remember off the top of my head). The advantages to having a jungler on your team are:

-a constantly MIA champion who could appear to gank the enemy at any time
-control over your jungle
-control over the dragon (either because your jungler claims it, or because it's constantly warded)
-a second champion who enjoys the advantages of solo lane exp/gold
-a floater who can cover lanes where people need relief to buy and heal up

basically, if nobody's jungling, you're just gimping yourself. It really doesn't matter much until you hit mid-level ELO though.

There's a secondary game that revolves around junglers, though. If there's one on each team, they're competing for the dragon control and will often slip into enemy territory to gank their rival while they're weak from fighting. Ganking the jungler before minions spawn is another (they almost always start at the blue golem, especially fiddlesticks, udyr, warwick). I've had 5v5 teamfights at level 1 from both teams trying to gank and protect their jungles.

to guard against junglers, always drop a ward in the bushes at the top/bottom of your lane - the single bush that sits in the river, not the pair that's lined up against the wall. It is well worth the 75 gold from your first bluepill

Yeah thanks, this all makes sense, especially after reading a LoL wiki's article on jungling.

So jungling gets you more xp and gold than minion killing, and it allows teammates to rack up the gold and xp you would have gotten from minion killing in their lane.

And the ganking part seems intriguing too.

Also, I control my dragon with my right hand, but I don't think that's what you're referring to here... what's the dragon? You don't mean the baron guy do you? I believe the dragon gives your team gold?

I'm going to try jungling in my newbie games. I'm already level 5... what's considered mid-level?


Oh and I forgot to add: I played a second game with Heim where my team lost. The opposition was waaay more coordinated than us, and they knew how to gank using brush and jungle paths. Granted, from keeping track of the minimap I could predict when they were coming to gank me...

But the point is that it really drove the point home about how much Heim benefits from a good tank. That first game I had a good, stalwart tank, and that made Heim kick serious butt.



EDIT: I'm so very tempted to drop the 20 bucks for the LoL box. It's cheap enough that it seems worth it.

Originally Posted by sycld

Also, I control my dragon with my right hand, but I don't think that's what you're referring to here... what's the dragon? You don't mean the baron guy do you? I believe the dragon gives your team gold?

I'm going to try jungling in my newbie games. I'm already level 5... what's considered mid-level?

I'm talking about the dragon. On the river, there are two neutral creeps, Baron Nashor and the Dragon. Baron Nashor is the big red skull on your minimap, who gives your whole team a big boost to hp/mp regen, Attack damage and Ability Power. The dragon, when killed, gives everyone on your team something like 40-60 experience (can't remember, but it was nerfed into pointlessness anyways) and 150g, plus 35 to whoever hits it last. It used to be the last stop on the jungler route, with warwick, at least, being able to solo it at level 4-5 with the golem buffs at around 7 minutes. They boosted it so it's tougher to solo in the early game, but having vision of the dragon is important. You have to know when it's there, if someone on the other team is soloing it (which often makes for an easy gank) or if the whole team is there. That location also leads down into the bottom lane, so it's worth the time to ward in case mid or the jungler wants to come and gank.

when I say mid-level, I'm referring to ELO. low ELO games are all the new players getting used to the game. mid-level is where I consider myself (but i'm probably not there), and it's mostly people who are familiar with the metagame, can play a few champs well and have a decent understanding of how the game is played. It is, I assume, where all the casual players wind up. High ELO is the crazy tryhards, where small mistakes are what decides who wins.

If you care enough, there's a few clans who operate livestreams that I've checked out a couple times to see how they play. Counter-Logic is the best, but there's plenty of other streamers who are pretty good.