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And I don't mean the Wii. I've been thinking of getting an Xbox 360 because I know many people that own it rather than maybe two on my PS3. I just saw a 20% off deal and I don't know what to do. My parents don't want me to get it and like 75% of the games are for both consoles. The only games I want for it are Gears of War 2 and Ace Combat 6. But I've been thinking of getting this for a couple months and I know if I pass this deal up, I'd be thinking of it for the next six.
What would you do?
I gotta buddy who owns a ps3, wii, and 360. He said it's great because of exclusive games, but you best get gamefly or something because it gets so pricey.
Since I just don't have the money to get 2 systems, just grab one and tell everyone else to suck it.
When I had to choose between a PS3 and a 360, the deciding factor was the PS3 controllers, I hate them - they are too small, the analogue sticks are too close together and its not ergonomic at all. The 360 controller felt so much more comfortable and well put together.
If you're only worried about exlusive games, then you cant really ask anyone elses opinion, if you want to play those exclusive games then you'll obviously need the right console, if you want to play all the exclusive games then you'll have to get both.
However this will eventually lead to a situation where you have friends who have a PS3, and friends who have a 360. If (for example) both groups of friends buy the new COD game, which console are you going to buy it for? Both?
I'd say it's worth having the 360 for it's large variety of awesome games, and the ps3 for the bluray, the amazing graphics, the ability to still play your ps/ps2 games, and the fact that you can look forward to the awesome games that have yet to come.
I had both until my 4th Xbox blew up. Imo it's worth it, but there's no way I'm buying a new Xbox.
The new Playstations can't play PS2 games. They removed that feature over a year ago.Quote:
the ability to still play your ps/ps2 games
I have both but my brother has my PS3 because I didn't really play it. I still play my 360 every now and again, mainly because my friends have one and we play online L4D.
I got pretty bored of both TBH but I prefer my 360 because of L4D and the online play just seems a little better. Although I do like the free online play for the PS3 and wifi included. I think in a few years though, the PS3 will have better games and it has blue-ray so it might be a better investment. LBP is pretty good too.
I bought a PS3 for many reasons.
1) The controllers. Rechargeable, wireless controllers and they feel right. I don't care for the 360 controllers as much. The bumpers are too odd IMO.
2) Exclusive games. People jerk off to Gears and Halo but I've never found any of these games that interesting. Halo 3 is uber overrated. Every new FPS that comes out is labeled "The Halo Killer" Halo was axed a long time ago. Games like LBP, Killzone 2, Infamous, God of War III, Ratchet and Clank, and Metal Gear drew me in.
3) Free online play. Say what you want about Live's awesome service and functionality but I have never seen any bad downtime on the PS3 service.
4) Reliability. When I bought mine in June I didn't hear a lot of people complaining how their PS3 shat itself. Almost everyone I know who has had a 360 has had to replace it alteast once. I don't want to go through the hassle.
I do like the wireless PS3 controllers but I have a couple problems. I hate the L2 and R2 buttons because I already jammed them in one of my controllers, which sucks. Then on the other one, something happened with the analog so it feels gritty. Now I'm on my third. I take really good care of my stuff too so I prefer the 360's controller.
I guess I never mentioned I currently own a PS3.
So the majority is saying go for it. But it goes like this,
My mind is telling me no! But my body, issss telling me yes!
So everyone agrees to just get it? If you are interested, go to slickdeals.net and you'll see the 20% dell thing.
I'd say get it if there are currently, or are going to be in the near future, a decent amount of 360 exclusive games you'd want. As someone already said, Halo is overrated, Gears 2 is boring, as was Fable 2 and I've never played Ace Combat. The only one I can think of that I bothered with and don't regret buying is Left 4 Dead. FF XIII will be on both, unless you live in Japan.
So it's really down to whether you like enough 360 games to warrant splashing that much cash. Personally I only bought one because I had nothing else to buy. Not the best reason to get one but I suppose I'm glad I did.
L4D is also for the PC btw. I've played both versions and I find the PC version to be far better. But like mtgmaster said, if there aren't any exclusives you want and you already have a PS3, doesn't seem necessary.
Tom Clancy's HAWK or whatever it is called seems like it will be like Ace Combat and that will be multiplatform. And I'd put my money on it that the Ace Combat games will make it back to Sony since it used to be on the PS2.
Hmmmm. I have played Left 4 Dead before and didn't really like it. Great, now I'm doubting myself again. I'll see what happens when Killzone 2 comes in.
Is Gears of War 2 really not that good? It looks so good when I look at it.
I don't understand what so many people have got against the Wii.
Gears isn't a bad game, but I just don't see what all the hype and praise is about. I think it is pretty overrated.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cool Runnings
Besides the fact that there are very few good 3rd party games that don't have tacky motion controls...Quote:
Originally Posted by simonj
Even with first party games, the Wii is pretty weak IMO. I got bored with Mario Galaxy, Mario Kart is basically the same it's always been, Zelda was fun, and Smash Bros is the only reason I still play my Wii. And wtf is up wtih Wii Motion Plus. So I'm going to pay an extra 20-40 bucks (throwing numbers out here but I think it is a safe estimate) for a device that will make the Wii do what it should have done from the beginning. Fuck that.
I like Gears 2 and Halo and Fable 2
Halo is overrated of course but that doesn't make it bad
Gears 2 was better than Gears 1
Fable 2 was a whole lot better than Fable 1
None of them are boring.
You think there is going to be a new Xbox 360 deal anytime soon? I heard there was going to be a price drop bundle with Gears 2. Would you just wait it out or is 60$ off good enough for you?
$60 off is probably better than a price drop will end up being. I've heard talk that they may be planning a price drop on the higher end 360 models in April or May, but I don't know for sure. I do know that Microsoft is planning a retaliatory price drop whenever Sony decides to drop the price on the PS3, but who knows when that will be.
Man it sucks that Sony is forced to price drop, they will just end up losing even more money. I guess it's better in the long run and for the people that haven't bought it yet.
Oh no, a giant billion dollar corporation losing money to keep up with their competitors.
I guess you can say that. But supposedly Sony lost A BUNCH of money because of the PS3. If a system becomes stronger, more companies would want to make games for them so the price drop would be good. But if you price drop it too much, Sony is going to go to the shit.
Sony has lowered the production cost of the PS3. They have got the manufacturing process down to use less parts. It's only a matter of time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cool Runnings
Sony posted huge losses and has to cut a large chunk of it's work force. Losing money now would put them more in a bind.Quote:
Originally Posted by simonj
Give it atleast another year and I think the PS3 will be a way stronger competitor. I think people forget that the 360 was out a year before everything else which gave Microsoft a bit of an edge in lower production costs and getting 3rd party support. I can see the PS3 dropping to atleast $350 this year. I hope. Or Sony got them selves in a pickle.
Sony is still losing money on the PS3, only now instead of losing like $400-some-odd per console, like they were before they took out backwards compatibility and technology got cheaper, they are only losing $100-some-odd per console now
I don't think it's even that much:
http://www.businessweek.com/globalbi...018_681920.htm
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/article...d-says-analyst
If you can afford it then its nice. I have both, and I use them both. But the 360 gets more action because my friends all have 360s.
I decided to just buy one right when the price drops. Is it confirmed there is going to be one or is it just a probability?
The console itself is great, however 99% of the games are aimed at young children, not exactly appealing to the sort of people that post here ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by simonj
Just a probability at this point without a PS3 price drop, but M$ pretty much said that they have a counter-drop ready for when the PS3 drops its price.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cool Runnings
No, they're aimed at including young children, there's a difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mach 5
Most of the games I've played are brilliant, but then again I'm not a huge fan of the overtly masculine types of games that litter the 360 and PS3.
Xbox 360 is the shit for it's variety of games, exclusive games(see Halo, GoW etc.), and its online. Wii is the shit because of the amount of fun you have playing it and the innovative controller. . PS3 is the shit for the blu ray player and exclusive games. There is good reason to get any of these consoles, at this stage they have all done well in their own respects.
if you have the money to do it then by god do it.
I followed this very advice about five days ago. Man, I am in love with Little Big Planet (I already had a 360)Quote:
Originally Posted by Sion
After having both for about 5 days I am gonna go ahead and say that I suggest owning both.
You could always mod your 360 and just download and burn your games.
Thanks Mr. E. It is a bit different though going from a PS3 to Xbox 360 and vise versa.
A PS3 has a blu ray player so it makes sense to buy one after you own a 360. But if you own a PS3 first, buying a 360 is just meant for even MORE games.
I agree with you though. I'm going to buy one hopefully within two months but I'm not going to rush it. I'm going to wait until a price drop and I get a 360 that is RROD resistant.
I personally think that there's little reason to buy both consoles. There aren't enough exclusives to justify anything like that. Aside from the fact that a fair number of the 360's exclusives end up on PC anyway.
My PC sucks ass though, we'll just have it at that. Also I don't really like playing games on my PC except online based games or Real Time Strategy games ( like Diablo or the Total War series). I prefer games on consoles.
PC gaming is dying. Fuck a mouse and keyboard.
PC gaming will never die. PC gamers just become harder to find. Besides, no console will ever beat a supreme tower setup, mostly because a great tower costs over a grand whereas consoles cost between 300-500. PC gamers never quit either, a PC gamer is a PC gamer till they die. Take for example, Left 4 Dead, which is a million times better on PC than it is on Xbox.
QFT. Also, Half Life 2/Orange Box and C&C (or any RTS for that matter) are other prime examples of this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shinysides
Not to mention that Console gamers don't have a snowball's chance in hell at beating a PC gamer at an FPS :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Shinysides
aka
Mouse + Keyboard > Controller in FPS's
Except with how many people are playing console's now over pc's, most people prefer a controller to a mouse and keyboard. Probably because it's not so awkward.
Killuminati makes me so sad.
I think the ease of use, accessibility, and not getting slapped with the nerd label is what makes consoles so popular, not how comfortable the controllers are. I mean, with a 360 you can just grab a controller, hop on your couch, and play until your heart desires with all your friends. PC's have been "nerdy" forever now, so PC gaming has been considered nerdy too. PC gaming is typically done by yourself on a desk in your room. Sure, LAN parties are possible, but thats only considered nerdier, and setup is just a pain in the ass (I always hated lugging my tower, monitor, mouse, keyboard, and speakers everywhere.). Consoles just need another controller and bam, you've got a buddy to play with.Quote:
Originally Posted by Killuminati
So, in conclusion, I think the "nerdiness" and seclusion involved in PC gaming is what steers people away, not a mouse and keyboard.
Unless of course you really hate using a mouse and keyboard.
EDIT: Also, the general uninformed public is typically scared of the thought of the inside of a computer. Many people think they'll break something if they have to install a video card or throw in some RAM. Consoles are simple. You plug it in and its done, no upgrading required.
Well it's not like there aren't game controllers available for the PC. They just tend to suck.
Well, thats like, the opposite of what I'm saying. It's not the controller that matters, its the dynamics of a PC and the social group that goes along with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by simonj
Yeah, I was agreeing with you. I meant 'it can't be the controllers that drives people to consoles because you can get them for PCs'.
Oh, right. I get it. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by simonj
I always assumed that was the main reason, to be honest. I really doubt it's the controls. There are easily as many positives to the keyboard and mouse as there are negatives.Quote:
Originally Posted by srsinternets
Mouse and the keyboard are the best controls considering you can adjust all controls to what feel comfortable and the mouse is a much better aimer then any joystick. PC gaming isn't dying, pretty much every gaming contest is all PC, also, a games performance will always be better on a PC. PC gaming isn't going anywhere but up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Killuminati
I never liked PC games for sports and racing games with the old mouse and keyboard. I mean yeah you can get a game pad but if you have a console those kinds of games tend to go better on a console. Now for RTS and FPS, the PC wins hands down.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nick2.1
By the way this thread has really been derailed.
PC gaming will never be bigger than it is now. And while the performance might be better on a computer if you have a nice one(which is EXPENSIVE), you have to keep fucking upgrading all the time, my shit is already outdated and I feel like I just got it not that long ago. I like a mouse for rts games and thats it. Keyboards are so annoying to use to control, it was never designed as a game controller. Xbox designed their 360 controller around playing games on it and it's comfortable and amazing to use. I can understand why people use mice and keyboards, I think it is mostly because they grew up on the computer or playing computer games and are so used to it. Now that practically everyone has a console in their house though, odds are they are gonna play their first video games on a console. I'm sorry but pc gaming is dying. I mean look at how popular consoles have gotten over the last couple years. How many people are playing on consoles compared to PC's?
edit: I got some negrep saying I didn't need to be a dick about it. If anyone thought I was being a dick in this post my bad, but I didn't intend for that.
Yeah because WoW doesn't have about a billion players and counting.
Lol shut up I forgot about WoW. I also forgot about people in asia and their computer games. The thing about WoW though is it looks like shit but is apparently more addicting than crack. This allows for it to be played on most anyones computer without having a nasty one. WoW is just something that many fools have used to waste their lives away.
I think you guys forgot one major argument.
HD-DVD vs. Blu-ray.
Lol, PC gaming isn't dying, its just getting going.
It doesn't matter how many people are playing consoles over PCs, the people who were ever PC gamers are pretty much still PC gamers. It's just a lot of people are getting into video games over the years and they are starting with consoles, some of which will come to PC gaming. So PC gaming will only grow, maybe not the way console gaming will, but it will still grow and never EVER die.Quote:
Originally Posted by Killuminati
I will personally murder PC gaming with my knife that can cut through intangible ideas.
Can I borrow it?Quote:
Originally Posted by MalReynolds
I'm using it to combat terrorism and Christianity at the moment, but yes. In a bit.
Oh. Well carry on then and let me know how it goes.
To-may-toe / to-mah-toeQuote:
Originally Posted by MalReynolds
I love my 360 cause I mainly play racing games such as Forza 2 and Midnight Club LA. Ive played PS3, used to have a PS2 as well. I like the 360's controller better though, plus has better games in my opinion.
Get a GT racing wheel and GT5 prologue for PS3.Quote:
Originally Posted by amac211
Best racing game Ive ever played. And the wheel works great.
Really out of the loop when I purchased a Playstation 3, but it was a shock to see so many titles that I imagined to be PS3 exlusives on or planning to be released simultaneously with the 360. I guess the 360 is a great console and has a lot going for it. Either way, I still love my PS3 and believe Sony will come out on top.
The PS3 had better have a price cut soon, people are getting pissed.
Sony won't come out on top, their 4th quarter earnings last year were down something to the tune of 95%.
I still love my PS3 though.
Weren't they expecting a down year due to the manufacturing price vs. retail of the PS3? I believe that they got the manufacturing costs under control this year.
The price to make one and what they sell the 80GB is about 1:1 as of a few months ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by MalReynolds
On the discussion about console v PC peripherals, some games were meant for the PC, some weren't. RTS games are shit on a console, a gamepad just doesn't cut it for those sorts of games. A mouse is a much better controller for point and click games. I also prefer FPS on the PC over a console.
I don't know that people would stay clear of PC gaming because it is seen as nerdy, I have never considered PC gaming the realm of the nerd. Does that say more about me than it does about PC gaming? I have always loved both. The PC has some simply stunning games on it and I will always play on my PC.
As for owning both consoles, I intend to. I have a 360, I just had to have GTA4, and they were doing deals, 360+GTA4=£300 I think it was. Had to be done. There were only 3 reasons I would own a PS3, that is now 2 since FFXIII is 360 bound aswell. The other two are God of War 3 and Metal Gear Solid 4. MGS is just brilliant, one of the best franchises around, Snake is one of the all time iconic, legendary video game characters. AS for God of War 3, I posted a trailer for it in VV, nuff said, it looks shit hot.
I will eventually own a PS3 once the price comes down some more. At this point in time, the price just isn't justified when you look at its competitors. I don't know what they were doing to bump up the price, whatever it was, it just wasn't needed on a fricking games console. And the only 2 reasons I will own one is for those 2 games listed, and also because Sony occassionaly publishes some terrific, god like games (GoW being an example, along with Ico and SotC), if they can repeat that with the PS3 then it would be well worth having.
Little Big Planet is another great game for the PS3. It looks childish but cute, but it is a very fun 4-player adventure game. I guess it would be more appropriately called a platformer, but I'm not sure if that is right. LBP has gotten a lot of playtime around the room. We spend a lot of time creating our own levels and playing each others' levels.
What? You can use the same controllers on your PC.Quote:
Originally Posted by simonj
People seriously overplay this. You don't need a $3k PC to be able to game at higher resolutions and detail than a console; in most cases, and $800 PC will do. You're also ignoring the fact that a PC has other uses. If you consider that you'd spend at least $400-$500 on a 'normal' PC you're not spending that much more to be able to game on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Killuminati
Furthermore, it's a bit disingenuous to balk at the price of a gaming PC while ignoring the cost of an HDTV. To game with settings even approaching PC games you're going to be dropping at least another $600 to couple thousand on a TV. Even if it was a past purchase, this price adds to the total you've spent to game with comparable settings.
You're also paying for DLC content that PC players get for free.
A keyboard and mouse are simply better for precision control in FPS games. That's not debatable. Any long-time FPS player knows this, and it's exactly why things like the Frag-Fx exist.Quote:
I like a mouse for rts games and thats it. Keyboards are so annoying to use to control, it was never designed as a game controller. Xbox designed their 360 controller around playing games on it and it's comfortable and amazing to use. I can understand why people use mice and keyboards, I think it is mostly because they grew up on the computer or playing computer games and are so used to it. Now that practically everyone has a console in their house though, odds are they are gonna play their first video games on a console.
Of course the 'console generation' is more used to controllers, but that says nothing. You're also use to playing with sub par graphics, FOV and resolution. Popularity does not mean something is objectively better.
People have been saying this since the SNES and Genesis were new. PC gaming may not be growing like console gaming is, but it's not going anywhere either; the majority of competitive gaming is still done on the PC, PC-only FPS, RTS and MMOs are still some of the most played games on the net and most major titles are cross platform (even if only Xbox/PC).Quote:
I'm sorry but pc gaming is dying. I mean look at how popular consoles have gotten over the last couple years. How many people are playing on consoles compared to PC's?
All that said, neither is truly superior, no matter how much the console fanboys wish it were. Both have their strengths and weaknesses, and gamers have their preferences. Personally, I don't bother with console FPS due to the issues I've already outlined in addition to the lack of mod-ability, dedicated private servers and the overabundance of retarded 14 yr olds on Live etc, but prefer consoles for fighting games, platformers etc.