The most important pictures

I wanted to make a thread where people post some pictures which they feel are important images. I am going to get the bal rolling with 2. A picture truely does paint a thousand words, transcend language and can touch us in ways words never can. They symbolise so much, so clearly and have the power to move us to our very core. This is a good chance to get to see and discuss powerful images taken over the years.

1 - http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/1...xearthmoon.jpg

Taken from the Apollo 8 crew. The people who took this were amongst the very few creatures who ever existed in the history of the planet Earth to witness this. Words could never describe what they must have felt, gazing at the Earth in all its glory. It is humbling to see the planet, set in some context against the dark backdrops of outer space.

Take some time to imagine what it must feel like to witness this. This surely has to be one of the greatest sights a person can see, indeed the greatest sight, I can think of no other experience possible that could ever compare to the glory of the Earth. Some of you might be indifferent to this, but if you have taken the time to read this far, I urge to to contemplate what this image is. Think about it. How can you not be moved?


2 - Whilst I firmly believe that 1 would be the greatest experience a person could ever have, I believe this next one to be the most important, most powerful image I have ever seen:

http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/6786/tankman.jpg

A row of tanks on the way to greet protesters. A massacre would ensue. One man stepped out from the crowd, into the path of these machines and said no. No matter where you are in the world, what language you speak, the meaning and power of this picture transcends all words, everyone can understand it and be moved. One man, a sole hero, an unknown rebel making a solitary stand against injustice, in the face of certain death he steps up to the altar of greatness and takes his place in history.

What do we know about him? There are certain theories, but to the best of my knowledge, his fate was uncertain. I have never met this man. I do not know what he looks like. I do not know his name or where he lived. I can only hope, and plead to any notion of justice in this world, that he is ok. This image manages to crystalise all that is great and terrible about out species. The metal death wagons on their way to massacre their fellow country men and women, and the lone hero making a stand against this injustice and saying "stop".

The bravery that this took is monumental. It is an inspiration to all who look upon it. It makes me proud that this man is a human being, like me. That we can be this brave, in the face of our terrible other, gives me hope and faith in the human race, which all to often is attacked and brought to the brink. Then I look at this. It is a blessing that this photograph was taken,

for it changed the world.

Interesting how this next picture follows along the lines of "Chinese Rule," but this picture is not only stunning but also horrifying:
http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/7981/burningmonk.jpg

Nothing about this picture isn't eerie. The strange calm state the monk is in and those around him. Ultimate sign of protest would be to give your life and if this image doesn't count in the top 10 as the most important pictures taken, well by God I don't know what does.


Also, in before afgan girl.

http://img53.imageshack.us/img53/753...esastarvin.jpg


I don't really have anything particularly interesting to say about this except the symbolism is pretty nasty. It's a 'punch you in the mouth' kind of picture.

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http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a3...lack_point.jpg
This is the Hubble Ultra Deep Field image. They pointed our greatest telescope into a pitch black spot for 11 or 12 days to record this image. What makes it fascinating is the scale behind this image. Knowing, like in gismo's first post, the size of our planet and seeing it against the backdrop of space is a humbling experience. Knowing our Sun, in comparison to many stars out there, isn't particularly large or exciting, and knowing that in our galaxy alone, there are millions of stars and planetary systems, the sheer scope behind this image reduces me past words. Every spot of light in this picture is a galaxy, so far away that it is measured in billions of light years. I'm trying to avoid using big numbers to describe this because the concept is, for me at least, so large that my mind just blanks and cannot comprehend the real size of it. The scale makes me recoil if I think about it too long, but seeing that image, seeing the vastness of the universe, the great distances between everything and really sitting down and thinking about it... man it really puts things into perspective.

also, on a lighter note

self-immolating monk

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a3...nk-on-fire.jpg

tiananmen square protestor

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a3...men-square.jpg

Gismo, I was told in school that the kid who went in front of the tanks was soon after executed. I may have heard wrong but that is what I remember.

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This is the Hubble Ultra Deep Field image. They pointed our greatest telescope into a pitch black spot for 11 or 12 days to record this image. What makes it fascinating is the scale behind this image. Knowing, like in gismo's first post, the size of our planet and seeing it against the backdrop of space is a humbling experience. Knowing our Sun, in comparison to many stars out there, isn't particularly large or exciting, and knowing that in our galaxy alone, there are millions of stars and planetary systems, the sheer scope behind this image reduces me past words. Every spot of light in this picture is a galaxy, so far away that it is measured in billions of light years. I'm trying to avoid using big numbers to describe this because the concept is, for me at least, so large that my mind just blanks and cannot comprehend the real size of it. The scale makes me recoil if I think about it too long, but seeing that image, seeing the vastness of the universe, the great distances between everything and really sitting down and thinking about it... man it really puts things into perspective.

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I knew someone would bring this up. In my opinion, the picture isn't that amazing. There are plenty of more stunning images from space. I'm a numbers man so I prefer just hearing the scientific notation of possible planets and etc.

It's a cool image, but the implications don't change anything really.

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I don't really have anything particularly interesting to say about this except the symbolism is pretty nasty. It's a 'punch you in the mouth' kind of picture.

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This is the picture that the guy in "House of Leaves" was to have gotten famous for.

Shitty, the vultures don't even wait til death.

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I don't really have anything particularly interesting to say about this except the symbolism is pretty nasty. It's a 'punch you in the mouth' kind of picture.

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The photographer won a Pulitzer prize for this.

But later killed himself cause he couldn't live with the grief or something.

Thats a big head.

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Nothing about this picture isn't eerie. The strange calm state the monk is in and those around him.

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What do we know about him? There are certain theories, but to the best of my knowledge, his fate was uncertain. I have never met this man. I do not know what he looks like. I do not know his name or where he lived. I can only hope, and plead to any notion of justice in this world, that he is ok. This image manages to crystalise all that is great and terrible about out species. The metal death wagons on their way to massacre their fellow country men and women, and the lone hero making a stand against this injustice and saying "stop".

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Gismo, I was told in school that the kid who went in front of the tanks was soon after executed. I may have heard wrong but that is what I remember.

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No-one knows for sure who he was, what happened to him, or whether he's alive today. There are rumors and various theories, but since his identity is unknown, none of the rumors and theories are verifiable or supported by any real evidence.

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I knew someone would bring this up. In my opinion, the picture isn't that amazing. There are plenty of more stunning images from space. I'm a numbers man so I prefer just hearing the scientific notation of possible planets and etc.

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I think it's significance is that the picture is of an area of space equivalent to what would be covered up by Abe Lincoln's eye if you held up a US penny at arm's length against the night sky. That's how tiny that area of sky is, and yet just look at all those galaxies (roughly 3,000 in that picture)... for people who aren't numbers men, it really drives home how buttfucking huge the universe is to realize that if you hold up a penny against the night sky, there are 3,000 galaxies behind Lincoln's eye. But visually, yeah, there are much more stunning pictures from space. For instance:

http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/2292/pillars5hst.jpg

The Pillars of Creation, a famous picture of the Eagle Nebula. The Eagle Nebula is an enormous cloud of dust and gas and young stars about 7,000 light years away (for reference, the Milky Way galaxy is around 90,000 light years wide). New stars are born here. Incredibly gorgeous picture.
Here's a much higher res version: http://www.iconocast.com/00021_Japan/L3/News4_0.jpg

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Interesting how this next picture follows along the lines of "Chinese Rule," but this picture is not only stunning but also horrifying:

Spoiler

http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/7981/burningmonk.jpg

Nothing about this picture isn't eerie. The strange calm state the monk is in and those around him. Ultimate sign of protest would be to give your life and if this image doesn't count in the top 10 as the most important pictures taken, well by God I don't know what does.


Also, in before afgan girl.

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Also, without the picture of the self-immolating monk, we'd be short one Rage Against the Machine album cover.

http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/7...debris1947.jpg

Press photo of the debris found at Roswell. No one's certain that's the actual debris or the picture taken with fakes, or if there was even a picture taken with fakes. I believe it wasn't a weather balloon but as of now every lead in the Roswell case and every possible answer/theory/whatever just leads to a big question mark. Still, a very important and famous photo.


http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/5...ttlela1942.jpg

The battle of Los Angeles; mysterious lights appeared in the sky and America suspected they were Japanese fighter planes. They fired towards the lights and supposedly hit them but no debris or any evidence was found afterwards.

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The battle of Los Angeles

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Hey, a second Rage Against the Machine reference.

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No-one knows for sure who he was, what happened to him, or whether he's alive today. There are rumors and various theories, but since his identity is unknown, none of the rumors and theories are verifiable or supported by any real evidence.



I think it's significance is that the picture is of an area of space equivalent to what would be covered up by Abe Lincoln's eye if you held up a US penny at arm's length against the night sky. That's how tiny that area of sky is, and yet just look at all those galaxies (roughly 3,000 in that picture)... for people who aren't numbers men, it really drives home how buttfucking huge the universe is to realize that if you hold up a penny against the night sky, there are 3,000 galaxies behind Lincoln's eye. But visually, yeah, there are much more stunning pictures from space. For instance:

http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/2292/pillars5hst.jpg

The Pillars of Creation, a famous picture of the Eagle Nebula. The Eagle Nebula is an enormous cloud of dust and gas and young stars about 7,000 light years away (for reference, the Milky Way galaxy is around 90,000 light years wide). New stars are born here. Incredibly gorgeous picture.
Here's a much higher res version: http://www.iconocast.com/00021_Japan/L3/News4_0.jpg

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That is such an enchanting image, images of space are amongst the most beautiful images I think humans have ever taken.

That picture is pretty sweet. Almost looks like a photoshop though which enhances it.

This was taken about 2 weeks ago

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/5...0070004311.jpg

Important Picture of Evolution

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/3...7313975631.jpg

Imagine the weapons they have now, nearly four years later..

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This was taken about 2 weeks ago

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Where/what was this?

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That is such an enchanting image, images of space are amongst the most beautiful images I think humans have ever taken.

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um let's not forget that most beautiful pictures of space are artificially colored images that look at wavelengths outside the visible range.

if you saw a visible light picture of this, it would hardly look like anything, maybe some very faint shadows of dust clouds.

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um let's not forget that most beautiful pictures of space are artificially colored images that look at wavelengths outside the visible range.

if you saw a visible light picture of this, it would hardly look like anything, maybe some very faint shadows of dust clouds.

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Um, that's only true for pictures taken by telescopes that detect only non-visible wavelengths. Many space images are taken by telescopes, such as the Hubble space telescope, that detect visible light. The "Pillars of Creation" pic was taken by the Hubble telescope in it's visible light mode (it can also detect UV light, but the UV mode wasn't used to take the Pillars of Creation pic). So if you could look at that part of the Eagle Nebula with your naked eye, you would see basically the same thing that's shown in the picture. The same is true of many other Hubble images (which is probably the largest single source of beautiful space pictures). And while it is true that the pic is artificially colored, NASA colorizes them in a way that is pretty close to what the naked eye would see. That's why the gas columns have that reddish-orange color, for instance; they are made mostly of hydrogen, and the hydrogen emission line is in the red part of the visible light spectrum.

Here is a website explaining how the Pillars of Creation imagery was processed. As you can see, the gathered imagery was all taken using filters for various parts of the visible light spectrum. No imaging on non-visible wavelengths was used to create that image.

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Imagine the weapons they have now, nearly four years later..

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:eek:

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Where/what was this?

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pict...a.html?image=5

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Originally Posted by Syme

Um, that's only true for pictures taken by telescopes that detect only non-visible wavelengths. Many space images are taken by telescopes, such as the Hubble space telescope, that detect visible light. The "Pillars of Creation" pic was taken by the Hubble telescope in it's visible light mode (it can also detect UV light, but the UV mode wasn't used to take the Pillars of Creation pic). So if you could look at that part of the Eagle Nebula with your naked eye, you would see basically the same thing that's shown in the picture. The same is true of many other Hubble images (which is probably the largest single source of beautiful space pictures). And while it is true that the pic is artificially colored, NASA colorizes them in a way that is pretty close to what the naked eye would see. That's why the gas columns have that reddish-orange color, for instance; they are made mostly of hydrogen, and the hydrogen emission line is in the red part of the visible light spectrum.

Here is a website explaining how the Pillars of Creation imagery was processed. As you can see, the gathered imagery was all taken using filters for various parts of the visible light spectrum. No imaging on non-visible wavelengths was used to create that image.

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Touche. Well, aside from the fact that there isn't a nearby light source strong enough to send a lot of light scattered from the nebula to us, I accept that I was wrong.

Nicéphore Niépce

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...phoreNipce.jpg

Well, remember that the Eagle Nebula itself is actually full of young stars; they are scattered all throughout the structure of the nebula. It is also very near a group of extremely bright, hot, massive stars called NGC 6611, which are partially responsible for the spectacular illumination effects that can be seen in some pictures of the nebula. Viewing the nebula from the right place and the right direction, a naked-eye observer could probably get a pretty well-lit view of it all. I couldn't say for sure, though.

Interestingly, it is the intense radiation flux and stellar wind from the stars in NGC 6611 that is believed to be responsible for forming those incredible pillar and tower structures in the gas clouds. The "heads" of the pillars are regions of dust/gas that are denser than the surrounding regions, and thus aren't dissipated as easily by the radiation; and the bodies or "stems" of the pillars are formed by gas/dust that is in the shadows of these dense regions and thus remain in place while the rest of the gas/dust around them blows away. Also interestingly, there is evidence that a supernova actually completely destroyed (blew away) the "Pillars of Creation" and many other distinctive Eagle Nebula features six thousand years ago, but we won't know for sure for another thousand years, since they're seven thousand light years away.

/astronomy ramble

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Well, remember that the Eagle Nebula itself is actually full of young stars; they are scattered all throughout the structure of the nebula. It is also very near a group of extremely bright, hot, massive stars called NGC 6611, which are partially responsible for the spectacular illumination effects that can be seen in some pictures of the nebula. Viewing the nebula from the right place and the right direction, a naked-eye observer could probably get a pretty well-lit view of it all. I couldn't say for sure, though.

Interestingly, it is the intense radiation flux and stellar wind from the stars in NGC 6611 that is believed to be responsible for forming those incredible pillar and tower structures in the gas clouds. The "heads" of the pillars are regions of dust/gas that are denser than the surrounding regions, and thus aren't dissipated as easily by the radiation; and the bodies or "stems" of the pillars are formed by gas/dust that is in the shadows of these dense regions and thus remain in place while the rest of the gas/dust around them blows away. Also interestingly, there is evidence that a supernova actually completely destroyed (blew away) the "Pillars of Creation" and many other distinctive Eagle Nebula features six thousand years ago, but we won't know for sure for another thousand years, since they're seven thousand light years away.

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Yes I remember hearing about how radiation pressure formed the structure of this nebula, though I don't remember as many details as you have. That's pretty cool.

I'm a little surprised, however, that we have evidence for a supernova destroying this structure 6k years ago... how could we possibly have this information before we see it? It's obvious that we don't have direct information about this event, as we if did we would have received this information faster than the speed of light. Is this speculated from the phase and size of the star whose supernova is thought to have destroyed this nebula?

Raising the flag over Iwo Jima

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Raising the flag at ground zero

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The Red Army raising the Russian flag after taking over the Reichstag building in Berlin

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I'm a little surprised, however, that we have evidence for a supernova destroying this structure 6k years ago... how could we possibly have this information before we see it? It's obvious that we don't have direct information about this event, as we if did we would have received this information faster than the speed of light. Is this speculated from the phase and size of the star whose supernova is thought to have destroyed this nebula?

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Yeah, basically. Current pictures of the Eagle Nebula (which show it as it was 7000 years ago) also show a supernova occurring in the background. Based on the proximity of the star to the nebula , it's projected that the expanding gas bubble from that supernova would have reached the nebula about 1000 years after the supernova occurred, thus about 6000 years ago. So in another 1000 years, it will have been 7000 years since the supernova shock front hit the nebula and destroyed the "Pillars" formation, and that's when the light from the event will arrive and our descendants in 3009 AD will get to see what it looks like. I sorta wish I could be around to see it... but I'm sure the next century's advances in telescope technology will give me plenty of other incredible space pics to look at for the rest of my life.

EDIT: In fact, if I'm not mistaken, that incredibly bright pinkish-white star located just to the right of the tallest pillar, about two-thirds of the way down, is the supernova that has probably already wiped out the pillars.

2nd Edit: Going with famous wartime pictures, this one is pretty well-known too:

http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/9...06a136c79s.jpg

The officer executing the prisoner is Nguyen Ngoc Loan. After the war, he moved to the US and opened a restaurant in my hometown of Burke, Virginia; it was located in a shopping center right near my family's house. His place closed in the '90s, though, and now there is a really good Chinese restaurant operating in the same spot. I still live in the area (not in Burke anymore, but about 20 minutes away) and eat there occasionally.

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2nd Edit: Going with famous wartime pictures, this one is pretty well-known too:

http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/9...06a136c79s.jpg

The officer executing the prisoner is Nguyen Ngoc Loan. After the war, he moved to the US and opened a restaurant in my hometown of Burke, Virginia; it was located in a shopping center right near my family's house. His place closed in the '90s, though, and now there is a really good Chinese restaurant operating in the same spot. I still live in the area (not in Burke anymore, but about 20 minutes away) and eat there occasionally.

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Holy shite, this general lived out the end of his life in Burke and opened a restaurant in a mall there?! I wish I had known; my family loves Vietnamese food, and we could've said we ate at this guy's restaurant...

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Holy shite, this general lived out the end of his life in Burke and opened a restaurant in a mall there?! I wish I had known; my family loves Vietnamese food, and we could've said we ate at this guy's restaurant...

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Hahah, it was a pizza place. But yeah. You know the Rolling Valley shopping mall, at the corner of Shiplett and Old Keene? That's where it was. It was where the Tau Tau (that good Chinese place) is today.

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Hahah, it was a pizza place. But yeah. You know the Rolling Valley shopping mall, at the corner of Shiplett and Old Keene? That's where it was. It was where the Tau Tau (that good Chinese place) is today.

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Ahaha, it was some (probably) second-rate pizza place on top of it? Wow, what a major downgrade in social status...

Also, I'm not really familiar with Burke. I'm up in the MD suburbs of DC and DC mostly, and the I don't know much about NOVA outside Arlington, Rosslyn, Alexandria, and the like.

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I couldn't help but lol at this.

robocop is jesus

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robocop is jesus

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then why does detroit still suck?

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c2...y/d9e6b9de.gif

:)

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then why does detroit still suck?

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Poor sequels

Okay that lego one cracked me up something fierce even as I felt myself become a worse person for it.

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Poor sequels

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i thought a giant mech cyborg robot that was addicted to drugs was a great movie plot

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i thought a giant mech cyborg robot that was addicted to drugs was a great movie plot

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No the plots were iron clad


It was just poor directing

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No the plots were iron clad


It was just poor directing

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agreed. the claymation could have been better too

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agreed. the claymation could have been better too

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Are you kidding? Top notch

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Are you kidding? Top notch

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not Army of Darkness top notch tho.

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not Army of Darkness top notch tho.

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Well COME ON

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Well COME ON

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alright alright. its like comparing apples to clearly superior apples, gotcha.

http://thegrandnarrative.files.wordp...un-big-mac.jpg

you knew it would happen...

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not jumping on the 300 bandwagon, the spartans were always inspiring to me.
these 300 men, and 700 thespians, gave their lives to protect their fellow greeks.
each warrior went to the field of battle knowing full well he was going to die. These brave, noble souls gave their lives to protect their fellow countrymen and more then that, to protect democracy.
without the spartans and thespians at thermopylae, persia would have dominated the rest of greece and ended democracy forever.

like fuck the spartans were fighting to protect democracy

also the more decisive battle was actually the navel battle of artemisium fought simultaneously by the athenian fleet, which no one cares to remember.

I hate the story of the Spartans because, aside from it being a terribly boring, overrated story, it's spawned that God-awful film 300.

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not jumping on the 300 bandwagon, the spartans were always inspiring to me.
these 300 men, and 700 thespians, gave their lives to protect their fellow greeks.
each warrior went to the field of battle knowing full well he was going to die. These brave, noble souls gave their lives to protect their fellow countrymen and more then that, to protect democracy.
without the spartans and thespians at thermopylae, persia would have dominated the rest of greece and ended democracy forever.

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aside from my disdain for the 'oh god i love democracy get over here my chosen system of government and stick your dick in my mouth'

i am glad to see that even actors can make a difference in ancient history

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aside from my disdain for the 'oh god i love democracy get over here my chosen system of government and stick your dick in my mouth'

i am glad to see that even actors can make a difference in ancient history

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well sion did post a depiction of the spartans with their dix exposed

what do you call a male lesbian?

thespian.

HO HO HO

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well sion did post a depiction of the spartans with their dix exposed

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Or as you would call it: battle-ready

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Or as you would call it: battle-ready

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zing






(zing indeed)

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you knew it would happen...

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I already posted a pic of jesus

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c6...17_panel01.jpg

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Rest in peace good buddy

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Originally Posted by captain castle

I already posted a pic of jesus

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who cars?

it's not like i really try to waste my time with your posts.

Guys, he's doing it again...

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Guys, he's doing it again...

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Oh come on! It was castle!

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Oh come on! It was castle!

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exactly tidus
exactly

just stop doing it altogether

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you knew it would happen...

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What gym did Jesus go to? He has some killer abs there.

15 years of carpentry, bitch.

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What gym did Jesus go to? He has some killer abs there.

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simon is right...and he walked a lot.

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like fuck the spartans were fighting to protect democracy

also the more decisive battle was actually the navel battle of artemisium fought simultaneously by the athenian fleet, which no one cares to remember.

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the MOST decisive battle was Platea, but thats nitpicking.

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well sion did post a depiction of the spartans with their dix exposed

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actually i dont see a single dix in the picture

theyre all just slightly out of view. risque, yet still classy.

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simon is right...and he walked a lot.

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That was Moses.

40 years through the Desert gives you killer thighs.

Also, I'm surprised Jesus made it anywhere as a philosopher (that's all he is folks) because, wherever he went there must've been someone thinking "I know that bloke, he built my shed."

Unless he was just a terrible carpenter and that's why he decided to stand on mountains and talk about cheesemakers.

Must...not...take...the bait...

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actually i dont see a single dix in the picture

theyre all just slightly out of view. risque, yet still classy.

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well you can see the beginnings of a shaft or two, and some lovely pubes. and of course, the firm bright gleaming asses are quite pleasant to behold as well. so yes, i agree: sensual yet tasteful.

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the MOST decisive battle was Platea, but thats nitpicking.

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well you probably are more knowledgeable about the 2nd invasion of persia than i am, but ii was talking about these two simultaneously occurring battles that really were almost two parts of the same engagement.

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Originally Posted by sycld

well you can see the beginnings of a shaft or two, and some lovely pubes. and of course, the firm bright gleaming asses are quite pleasant to behold as well. so yes, i agree: sensual yet tasteful.



well you probably are more knowledgeable about the 2nd invasion of persia than i am, but ii was talking about these two simultaneously occurring battles that really were almost two parts of the same engagement.

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oh.
well they both had equal importance basically.

Tactically and logistically, the sea battle was a bigger victory.
from a morale standpoint, the spartans crewed out about a full fifth of the persians army with basically no serious loss, and the rest of the greeks had time to prepare themselves for the invasion, which they wouldn't have had time to do if the spartans had fallen sooner.