Whelp, looks like we're going to war with Iran now

Like anyone is really shocked...

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At talks scheduled for Thursday in Geneva with Iran, the United States and five other major powers will demand immediate and unfettered access to the newly exposed nuclear facility in Iran, including access to people and documents involved in its construction, and they will insist that Tehran abide by international rules to reveal such projects before construction begins, Obama administration officials said Saturday.

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...092602022.html

Why do I say war? Because our government obviously has known about this for years but hasn't acted on it for whatever reason. Anyone with a subscription to Wired magazine knows that it is pretty damn hard for a country to hide a nuclear enrichment operation.

So how's it going to play out? Now that we've "just discovered this" we're going to demand to have inspectors go to it, which of course will be refused, and then we'll have "no choice" but to "strategically neutralize the sites with precision weapons" which will of course escalate into another middle-eastern shitstorm.

You heard it here first, folks.

So when is the United States going to declare war on itself for having an active nuclear weapons program?

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Originally Posted by KT.

So when is the United States going to declare war on itself for having an active nuclear weapons program?

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But we need to protect the world!

W00t We has got an atom bomb!

LOL Take that Japan!

OMG Russia You are bad evil people because you created a dangerous weapon that we have had for years and you might use it!

Zomg not China too!

Here Israel... say nothing but....

OMG NOBODY ELSE IS ALLOWED HAvE NUKES!!! JUST US CUZ WE R SO KEWL!

I hear Germany have a Jaegerbomb

I should move to Europe.

There are alternatives to war, and given that we have expensive operations in two other countries, I doubt that we're going to take on a third war now.

Not only that, but Americans are pretty war-weary right now.

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Originally Posted by Dr. Baltar

W00t We has got an atom bomb!
LOL Take that Japan!
OMG Russia You are bad evil people because you created a dangerous weapon that we have had for years and you might use it!
Zomg not China too!
Here Israel... say nothing but....
OMG NOBODY ELSE IS ALLOWED HAvE NUKES!!! JUST US CUZ WE R SO KEWL!

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You're missing a number of countries.

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Originally Posted by sycld

There are alternatives to war, and given that we have expensive operations in two other countries, I doubt that we're going to take on a third war now.

Not only that, but Americans are pretty war-weary right now.

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Iran said it would welcome any and all inspections.

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Originally Posted by TheOriginalGrumpySpy

Iran said it would welcome any and all inspections.

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True. Iran has softened its stance somewhat.

On the other hand, compliance with UN nuclear inspectors didn't prevent Iraq from being invaded.

Fair enough.

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Originally Posted by TheOriginalGrumpySpy

You're missing a number of countries.

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Laziness

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Originally Posted by TheOriginalGrumpySpy

Iran said it would welcome any and all inspections.

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That's so they can garner the sympathy of the international community when we invade their ass, and so their own people will be pacified and not revolt during the conflict since their military will be otherwise engaged.

They've laughed at the UN for year, do you really think they did a 180?

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Originally Posted by Dr. Baltar

Laziness

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Cop out, especially since you named only countries you deem to be "bad."

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Originally Posted by Rick Scarf

That's so they can garner the sympathy of the international community when we invade their ass, and so their own people will be pacified and not revolt during the conflict since their military will be otherwise engaged.

They've laughed at the UN for year, do you really think they did a 180?

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A multitude of their own citizens are waiting for the moment to revolt. Just because their election is out of the news doesn't mean the population forgot that they hate their leader.

gb2ai

If Obama takes us to war with Iran I'll laugh my ass off for like forever and make every democrat I know feel bad.

You don't think we can balance 3 wars? What are you, a communist?!

The Irani election was rigged by getting insane people to count the votes in the innermost chambers by punching holes in them repeatedly with blunt instruments so that there would be mass protest with the result and the americans would promise to "bring democracy to the middle east" and then there could be holy war

you had a mad inner chad so they'd re-elect ahmadinejad so they could get mad in a jihad

My mood: I'm mad in a jihad

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Originally Posted by Think

My mood: I'm mad in a jihad

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the only way that "mad" and "jihad" could rhyme is if they are pronounced with a foppish british accent or with a hick american southern accent.

Sorry, Scarf, but Obama is too big of a pussy to do the right thing, here.

Also he is the rock star president. If he has to act like all of the other presidents in history, then he won't be special, just black and ineffective

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Originally Posted by sycld

the only way that "mad" and "jihad" could rhyme is if they are pronounced with a foppish british accent or with a hick american southern accent.

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I'm pronouncing it "mah mood: ah'm a deener j'had" in case that wasn't sufficiently clear

my mood eat my dinner jacket

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Originally Posted by Think

I'm pronouncing it "mah mood: ah'm a deener j'had" in case that wasn't sufficiently clear

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oh i see.

then you don't know how to pronounce the president of iran's name correctly.

all the h's in "mah" and "ah" are actually suppose to be pronounced as though you're scraping flem up from the back of your throat.

and the "a" before "deen" is actually like a short e, i think sorta close to a schwa

and finally, it's "deena," not "deener."

i mean how the hell do you get an "er" sound when there's no "r" in the transliteration of his name into roman characters?

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ok but I referenced this beforehand and this is how I would pronounce it (except the slightly french sounding "jod" for "jad"

words

your dirty ethnic post colonial character

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oh ok hey i don't care

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Originally Posted by sycld

oh ok hey i don't care

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I hope you don't think anything but the reference to pedantry was intended to be even slightly genuinely insulting; only if I was aiming at that I wouldn't have piled those sets of racist words together - that's comedic and undermines it's own content rather than working as an attack

Nuke em from orbit


Only way to be sure

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Originally Posted by Think

I hope you don't think anything but the reference to pedantry was intended to be even slightly genuinely insulting; only if I was aiming at that I wouldn't have piled those sets of racist words together - that's comedic and undermines it's own content rather than working as an attack

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oh no i was just trying to be gratuitously insulting to you by saying i don't care

ps i read "pedantry" at first as "pederasty" and now i have blue balls you prick

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Originally Posted by Mr. E

If Obama takes us to war with Iran I'll laugh my ass off for like forever and make every democrat I know feel bad.

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This

No one has ever satisfactorily explained to me why America being the world's bully is a bad thing

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Originally Posted by captain castle

No one has ever satisfactorily explained to me why America being the world's bully is a bad thing

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Bully is such a strong word.

All Im going to say is that I thought Team America was an awesome movie.

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Originally Posted by TheOriginalGrumpySpy

Bully is such a strong word.

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lol oh togs

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Originally Posted by captain castle

No one has ever satisfactorily explained to me why America being the world's bully is a bad thing

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Wastes billions of dollars and damages our own economic interests.

THESE STRONGARM TACTICS WILL CERTAINLY WORK FOREVER AS A STABLE LONG TERM RELATIONSHIP

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Originally Posted by jack burden

Wastes billions of dollars and damages our own economic interests.

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I can understand THAT argument, but I can't understand the moral argument.

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Originally Posted by captain castle

I can understand THAT argument, but I can't understand the moral argument.

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There are a lot of moral arguments, but that doesn't mean anyone has to agree with them. The US is the sole superpower in the world and arguably uses its influence for personal gain at the expense of other countries and then encourages the punishment of nations who harm US interests. It is a concept straight out of the age of imperialism, and completely ruins America's image as the underdog.

not that i agree i think we should just give australia's entire population guns and airdrop them into iran

It's more about how people function together, carried onto the nations being entities of sorts. If you bully kids, eventually one or a few of them are going to get you back for being an asshole, with the degree of revenge being based on how the initial victim feels about the abuse in question. It's better for long term sustainability to work with other people to ensure long-term relationships that operate well. Being a dick simply because you can for the time being will get you the short term gains, scads of them, but at what cost?

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Originally Posted by coqauvin

It's more about how people function together, carried onto the nations being entities of sorts. If you bully kids, eventually one or a few of them are going to get you back for being an asshole, with the degree of revenge being based on how the initial victim feels about the abuse in question. It's better for long term sustainability to work with other people to ensure long-term relationships that operate well. Being a dick simply because you can for the time being will get you the short term gains, scads of them, but at what cost?

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It is pretty clear these are nations that are not going to work with us. It's a prisoner's dilemma, except the first one to shoot wins.

Homosexuality? Who said we have homosexuality? We do not have this phenomena here!

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Originally Posted by TheOriginalGrumpySpy

A multitude of their own citizens are waiting for the moment to revolt. Just because their election is out of the news doesn't mean the population forgot that they hate their leader.

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^this

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Originally Posted by Atmosfear

It is pretty clear these are nations that are not going to work with us. It's a prisoner's dilemma, except the first one to shoot wins.

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of course they won't work with you now - guess why that is?

america needs to work on it's pr oh and what it actually does in and with other countries. it operates like a sociopath in the world and doesn't realize the consequences of being an asshole, or doesn't care, both of which lead to the same conclusion in the end

Yeah here is what happens when america plays america

we save the world from germany twice, liberate south korea, oppose communism in vietnam, defuse the cuban missile crisis, liberate kuwait, insure the security of israel, provide military and intelligence support to all of the other countries sitting at home judging, depose the taliban, eliminate a genocidal dictator in the powderkeg, bring saddam hussein to trial, stabilize latin america, bring capitalism to both china and russia, add vitality to an indian economy, and get all of europe fucking rich.

So seriously, fuck off. Shitty ass fucking canada wouldn't have an economy to provide you the luxury of criticism without the united states.

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Originally Posted by Atmosfear

Yeah here is what happens when america plays america

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oh boy here we go

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Originally Posted by Atmosfear

we save the world from germany twice,

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save the world from germany is a checkered history - the americans came in fresh after both sides had been pounding on each other for a while, while their business execs profited from sales to both sides in the war. this is strategically sound, but doesn't endear you to either side and claiming credit for it as a saviour loses it's power because you waited until the last second to come in.

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Originally Posted by Atmosfear

liberate south korea,

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liberating south korea is again in this 'we are the world police' mentality, which is fine so long as you're a global body keeping the peace in the world, not another nation who is, in the end looking out for your own interests.

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Originally Posted by Atmosfear

oppose communism in vietnam,

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yeah how did that turn out? oh right, you lost. you started a war off your home soil, got a whole bunch of civilians killed and for what purpose? vietnam didn't bring any benefit to the US financially and you lost a shitload of face for your actions there. are you really adding this to your resume?

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Originally Posted by Atmosfear

defuse the cuban missile crisis,

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this was a shitty situation where the best you could get was the minimum requirement to maintain stature. if you had gone to war over it, everybody loses and no one can brag. because you defused it, you didn't go to war, but not going to fucking war was the whole point the entire time.

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Originally Posted by Atmosfear

liberate kuwait,

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yet another world police moment, although more in line with the stabilization of trade in a hotbed area. all the middle eastern countries were shitting on saddam for doing this in the first place and breaking the rules of being an oiligarch, but do you really think that nobody else would have stepped in if you hadn't? congratulations on finally dealing with the problem a decade or so later.

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Originally Posted by Atmosfear

insure the security of israel,

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israel as a state is a shitty concept no matter how you look at it - much like americas own history, you displaced the native residents of a country and replaced them with immigrants in a sense of manifest destiny. now, you add muscle to ensure that the country continues to continue in spite of the fact that it shouldn't have existed in the first place. it's like a housepet - can't stand on it's own in the world and requires constant feeding and attention to survive. what do you think you gain by this? face? really?

also, i think you're looking for the word ensure, although insurance is probably a more apt metaphor for how things run there.

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Originally Posted by Atmosfear

provide military and intelligence support to all of the other countries sitting at home judging,

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I can't fault providing intelligence, although intelligence itself is a commodity, and so you're bragging about being rumour merchants. congratulations?

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Originally Posted by Atmosfear

depose the taliban,

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good job on deposing the taliban (cutting the head off the hydra) and then walking the fuck away for 8 years while other countries (canada, basically - none of the other UN countries who promised support showed up) kept the peace in the area instead of it turning into a hotbed of terrorism again when a new leadership with no reason not to share the ideals of the taliban takes control of afghanistan again. you really did a great job there.

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Originally Posted by Atmosfear

eliminate a genocidal dictator in the powderkeg,

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i can't say i know what you're talking about here.

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bring saddam hussein to trial,

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um what? you invade a country and put it's leader on trial? have you thought about what the reaction would be if the reverse happened, especially under your previous president? that aside, you did the right thing (punish human rights violations) for entirely the wrong reason (trying to stabilize an anti-american hotbed, secure a supply of oil in a dwindling market, creating international business that was prone to nepotism and incompetence), and then claim the altruistic reasons were the only ones.

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Originally Posted by Atmosfear

stabilize latin america,

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can't say i understand this one either, but my knowledge of world affairs isn't all inclusive.

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bring capitalism to both china and russia,

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hahahahaha ok, both of these countries were communists, so once they realized that being communist isn't as profitable as being capitalistic (maximizing short term profits for as long as possible before jumping ship with the earnings), they were bound to turn towards it anyways. I guess you led by example (i.e moon landings as a feat of technological example), but you didn't bring it by convincing them to not be the communists you hate, you did it by showing it's more beneficial to enrich yourself at the expense of others around you. i'm not even going into the issue that is capitalism and why it's inherently flawed.

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Originally Posted by Atmosfear

add vitality to an indian economy,

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i don't know anything about this, but it's probably wrong. sycld fill me in

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and get all of europe fucking rich.

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europe is more than capable of enriching itself in ways that don't involve rape and run tactics, and i believe they have generally done so. how exactly have you accomplished this again?

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So seriously, fuck off. Shitty ass fucking canada wouldn't have an economy to provide you the luxury of criticism without the united states.

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i'm not denying that it's beneficial being neighbours with a superpower, but you're bragging about the wrong things for the wrong reasons. your resume is so full of holes it's a little embarassing, but you keep on bragging about these things as though they were picture perfect. seriously, fuck america and it's sense of self-importance (unwarranted), it's feeling of accomplishment for a mediocre job completed and this continued bragadoccio in the twilight years of its empire.

so quit swinging your massive, herpes ridden nation-dick around and put it back in your pants until it's clean enough to touch something other than a diseased whore.

The fact that you didn't have to respond to my post in german is the exact reason you can fuck off I stopped reading after that.

Actually I didn't. You clearly know nothing about political science if you believe a global body can play police force issues of power and sovereignty abound ho hum polisci 101 UN failure etc etc

danke sehr

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Originally Posted by coqauvin

i don't know anything about this, but it's probably wrong. sycld fill me in

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You know who you sound like?

Darth Vader.

I thought better of you.

Slobaknob Milosevic says thanks america

Ethnic albanians say fuck america

fair enough, although world police is a bit of a catchword that doesn't accurately describe what's going on. The US's intervention in Kuwait wasn't necessary - ideally, the task should've fallen to the UN, which would have given it credibility and actually made the body be more effective. Actually, a lot of america's invasions along these lines would've done the world better good had they been done through the UN. Theoretically speaking, a global body attached to no nation in particular that maintains peace and steps on overreaching national hands (which applies equally to iraq in kuwait, but also america in vietnam) would do the world a lot of good, and building the UN into something along those lines (which is, i think, what it sees itself as idealistically) and then actually giving it the name and power to carry this out would be nothig but beneficial

clearly i am 17 and togs i am a little hurt by this, although a little in doubt that you had higher expectations of me

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fair enough, although world police is a bit of a catchword that doesn't accurately describe what's going on. The US's intervention in Kuwait wasn't necessary - ideally, the task should've fallen to the UN, which would have given it credibility and actually made the body be more effective. Actually, a lot of america's invasions along these lines would've done the world better good had they been done through the UN. Theoretically speaking, a global body attached to no nation in particular that maintains peace and steps on overreaching national hands (which applies equally to iraq in kuwait, but also america in vietnam) would do the world a lot of good, and building the UN into something along those lines (which is, i think, what it sees itself as idealistically) and then actually giving it the name and power to carry this out would be nothig but beneficial

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The Persian Gulf war was not only the United States, it was a mult-national defense of over 25 countries (a move, I believe, that went through NATO) that moved in after the UN, sadly but unsurprisingly, failed to do its job.

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clearly i am 17 and togs i am a little hurt by this, although a little in doubt that you had higher expectations of me

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I expected educated opinions not generalizations.

whoops! i should actually study history instead of relying on what i remember being said year ago. my bad guys

edit: it probably doesn't work or make sense, but if the US would have invaded under the UN flag and done the job in the name of the UN, it would have been two birds with one stone, was my idea

post post script: my knowledge of middle east conflicts and the nuances involved isn't exactly in depth

i think that darth vader probably has more formal education than me

i just read about this shit here and there and think a little trying to come up with a decent opinion about it.

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whoops! i should actually study history instead of relying on what i remember being said year ago. my bad guys

edit: it probably doesn't work or make sense, but if the US would have invaded under the UN flag and done the job in the name of the UN, it would have been two birds with one stone, was my idea

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http://www.un.org/Depts/dpko/missions/unikom/

The UN moved peacekeeping forces in after the Iraqi withdrawal. In fact, the UN authorized the use of force in a resolution to aid Kuwait. That resolution was signed by a number of countries.

US-led simply meant strategy and logistics fell on them, not that they were solely the ones fighting.

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post post script: my knowledge of middle east conflicts and the nuances involved isn't exactly in depth

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Would you consider yourself more of an athlete?

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Originally Posted by TheOriginalGrumpySpy

Would you consider yourself more of an athlete?

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Yes, yes I would.

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Would you consider yourself more of an athlete?

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I am leagues beyond you in athleticism

AMERIKKKA FUCK YEA!!!

well as the last remaining superpower in the world it is our duty to continue both the glorious and douchey policies of the british empire abroad ok

Did Coq succeed from any further discussion on this matter?

i am pretty happy with my response to atmosfear's declaration of american glory

i mean if someone wants to deconstruct what i'm saying and call me an idiot feel free otherwise how will i learn?

As long as I'm out before my ship's deployment to sit and spin circles I don't care what happens.

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But we need to protect the world!

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Oh hey some skinny geek that is boning another skinny geek making political commentary



is erasure a good band

i prefer modest mouse/sarcasm