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Seems rather... arbitrary to move it to Flames considering that it wasn't a troll thread or anywhere near Flames-esque.
Basically it was moved because Atmosfear finds it amazing (edit: impossible) that Marxists draw heavily from Adam Smith. Apparently this cannot happen (never mind the Labor Theory of Value as a basic example), ergo flames.
I think it has more to do with that you often post walls of texts and beat the same dead horses.
I'm pretty sure I never talked about Adam Smith before. Also, two sentences at most did I write in that thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by piranhas
I think it's more to do with the fact that it was a fucking stupid thread with no real potential, posted by an inane pseudo-intellectual twat.
What do I win?
To be a pseudo-intellectual it would be necessary for me to describe myself as an intellectual.Quote:
Originally Posted by simonj
Also good job not backing up anything. It's a "fucking stupid" thread because it talked about Adam Smith and was written by a Marxist, and because it was written by an "inane twat" whom Atmosfear doesn't like very much.
Might as well condemn similar "no potential" threads like it into Flames. Munk Debates - Foreign Aid does more Harm than Good would logically suffer the same fate, because it's a debate thread that started off with a question.
I could buy (no, not really) the premises that my thread had "no potential" by itself, but the additions to the effect of "Hurr dumb commie" show that it was obviously put into Flames for a reason rather more involved than that.
I resent my no-attention thread being brought into this. It was an invitation to discussion about the issues involved with foreign aid. Your thread, however, was more along the lines of "Well Marx borrowed heavily from Adam Smith we should read his stuff and then caress each other's genitalia as we talk about what he wrote."
So it's wrong to discuss Adam Smith and his works (particularly if it's written by a damned Commie), but it's a-okay to discuss what you heard over CBC Radio?
It isn't like we have more than two Communists on this forum (one inactive), so there wasn't any possibility of it turning into "My god man, you are so correct." "No, you are." "Oh, Nine Castles, stop being so kind." "No, you." "You first." Especially since the other Communist on this forum seemingly doesn't share my views on anything.
Edit: Since I got a negarep calling me a "faggot," I would like to note that whoever did it probably focused a lot more on the homoerotic nature of the above paragraph than I did while writing it.
man shut up
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Originally Posted by Mang
I fail to see how either of you two are relevant. Your banters are best kept in Flames.
Okay, dipshit, the reason it was moved was because it was a wall of text post that offered no point for discussion. You asked a rhetorical question and proceeded to type 1000 words. Your whole thread could have (and should have) been answered as follows:
Because no one bothers studying communism any more because we live in a society in which capitalists further themselves far more than socialists; every hour spent studying something stupid like Marxism is an hour not spent developing a marketable skill.
Except that your post was 1000 words about a bunch of economists who agree with your opinion that marxism was founded upon Adam Smith's core principles. I'm going to make this big and bold for you so you don't mistake me and argue against a phantom you've concocted and attributed to me:
Your own OP was off-topic you fucking dolt
Talking about abortion addictions (or being on a forum in general) clearly develops a marketable skill. Meanwhile I'm reading about history, economics, sociology, etc. via books. Pretty contributive, I'd say.Quote:
Because no one bothers studying communism any more because we live in a society in which capitalists further themselves far more than socialists; every hour spent studying something stupid like Marxism is an hour not spent developing a marketable skill.
I'll go look to those Marxists who clearly never achieved anything for my inspiration. Like Grover Furr of Montclair State University, or economist Anwar Shaikh. Or Prof. David Harvey who had a classroom series on reading Capital.
Not really. I offered two links to Marxist works related to Adam Smith, whereas the first two links were Adam Smith's works and David Ricardo's work. Even if my entire post was devoted to establishing that Marxism is the logical conclusion of classical economics, it'd still be relevant because I'm talking about Adam Smith.Quote:
Except that your post was 1000 words about a bunch of economists who agree with your opinion that marxism was founded upon Adam Smith's core principles.
Any proof of that? I said that it was in a comment, but it clearly wasn't too serious considering that my post would have otherwise just been very short and wouldn't have been structured to as create a discussion.Quote:
asked a rhetorical question
Apparently talking about Adam Smith and his contribution to economics is something that can be relegated to General Discussion or something. Clearly no one has ever had debates about Adam Smith. Ever.Quote:
Your own OP was off-topic you fucking dolt
Since I'm assuming you mean that the OP was off-topic for AI, then it should be moved to General Discussion.
TESTICLES
that is all
ps if you want to talk about this shit, get a degree in it and earn your right to be respected through creating new ideas rather than just telling us old ones, and then continue to be ridiculed
That makes no sense either academically (since academia is mainly concerned with teaching "old" ideas) or in normal life.Quote:
Originally Posted by sailor jack
not when academia includes research
and are you sure you have any idea of what is "normal life"?
what
the
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Let me clarify.
As someone who spent his childhood years being afraid of commie russia until our saviour Ronald Regan won the cold war, and as someone who lives a few short miles from where the Great Senator Joseph McCarthy lays to rest, and also lives near the headquarters for The http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Birch_Society, I find this thread in violation of everything we here in the United States of America stand for. This is the greatest country on earth, and we have the greatest government. Capitalism is by far the best system, and this has been proven time and time again.
So, in closing, fuck you, you commie bastard. I hope you rot in hell.
I may disagree with the things Husein posts but I would defend to the death his right to say them. Or I would if he wasn't such a faggot.
The USSR began its road to shit when Stalin died and revisionists took over the state and repudiated the dictatorship of the proletariat. China, though itself somewhat revisionist, and the Albanian state, both united against Khrushchev and both managed to stand against Soviet imperialism and for Marxism-Leninism. Soviet economic reforms in the 60's-80's crippled the economy, as William Bland noted in his 1979 work The Restoration of Capitalism in the Soviet Union. Mao's turn to the right in the 70's, and the rise of Deng after 1978, brought China on a firmly capitalist path as Maoism itself was fairly revisionist in outlook. Enver Hoxha notes this in 1978 work Imperialism and the Revolution.Quote:
As someone who spent his childhood years being afraid of commie russia until our saviour Ronald Regan won the cold war,
Gorbachev's economic policies transitioned the USSR from state-capitalism to market capitalism, and in the process only wrecked the economy further. But by that point the claim that the USSR was a workers state was clearly foolish, and dual Russian and Ukrainian nationalism led to the death of the USSR.
He caught some Communists, but more often than not he just cost progressives their jobs for a while. That was the goal, of course.Quote:
and as someone who lives a few short miles from where the Great Senator Joseph McCarthy lays to rest,
Are their offices fluoridated yet?Quote:
and also lives near the headquarters for The John Birch Society,
Yes, Marxist academics clearly don't do any research.Quote:
not when academia includes research
OH SHIT WHAT IS THIS IT'S AT THE TOP OF MY HEAD: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TSSI
daitengu is the greatest country by girth
I didnt say that. I have studied Marxist academics and I know that they obviously do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Husein
What I said was you should try thinking of something new, rather than linking us to wikipedia, perhaps the worst source for reliability there is on the planet
Mrdie has managed to shit this thread up so much I'm going to have to move it to flames, too.
I mean seriously when your OP is off the topic of the question posed in the introductory sentence of the OP, how can you possibly make any argument in favor of the thread?
I only link to Wikipedia in specific cases. Like I don't think I need to cite a journal discussing TSSI or whatever when I can just give a Wiki link that would explain the gist of it, taking into consideration the lack of interest you'd probably have in the subject to begin with.Quote:
What I said was you should try thinking of something new, rather than linking us to wikipedia, perhaps the worst source for reliability there is on the planet
Because it wasn't off the topic, it was discussing Adam Smith. The introductory sentence established why he is notable.Quote:
I mean seriously when your OP is off the topic of the question posed in the introductory sentence of the OP, how can you possibly make any argument in favor of the thread?
At the very least it should be in GD or something.
gd is dead
so is this thread
"Casual Intercourse" then. I got used to calling it GD because CD would obviously be redundant and "Casual Intercourse" is basically GD and LWS' CD merged.
don't make me facepalm.jpg again
mr die shut the fuck up
You're just mad that you couldn't take advantage of LAME on LWS.Quote:
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Cause it was lame
OOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH SNAP
I still have Jerome's 2005 banner.Quote:
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Easily the greatest usergroup of all time.
Easily the smallest picture of all time.
MrDead what the fuck are you trying to achieve? Honestly, this is a serious question.
Your views are stupid and aged enough for you to be a troll, but you spend far too much time writing and "researching" for your silly ass essays
to conclude, Die Mr
The topic of the thread (that is, the core question up for debate) that was outlined in your very own first paragraph (hell, first sentence) was "Why don't people know _________?"Quote:
Originally Posted by Husein
The rest of your wall of text did nothing to stimulate the discussion of that topic. If I posted a thread asking "Why don't people like cabbage?" and then posted a thousand words about notable people who like cabbage, then I would be just as dumb and inane as you.
Also, to boot, that thread wasn't even a discussion because no one disagreed that Adam Smith's political economics were a basis of Marx's work because it's a goddamned fact. Just because you can post more words about the fact that everyone else (I mean really, who gives a shit?) doesn't make it an AI thread worth keeping.
Throw in the fact that you posted it and the decision was quite easy. Just like the old communist part, mr die, it really is all about who you know, not what you know.
It doesn't make it a Flames-worthy thread either. As I said, put it in either "Casual Intercourse" or, if necessary, "cryptic's thread emporium."Quote:
Also, to boot, that thread wasn't even a discussion because no one disagreed that Adam Smith's political economics were a basis of Marx's work because it's a goddamned fact. Just because you can post more words about the fact that everyone else (I mean really, who gives a shit?) doesn't make it an AI thread worth keeping.
After the Khrushchevites took over, yes. Before that no, both Lenin and Stalin regarded ideology as very important. Both stressed the need to fight bureaucracy, to combat revisionism, and to purge rightists.Quote:
Just like the old communist part, mr die, it really is all about who you know, not what you know.
As anti-communist historian Ian Grey notes:
"Stalin could not maintain direct control over the purge. He was aware that the NKVD had arrested many people who were not guilty and that of the 7 to 14 million people serving sentences of forced labor in the GULAG camps many were innocent of any taint of disloyalty. They were inevitable sacrifices, inseparable from any campaign on this scale. But he resented this waste of human material. The aircraft designer Yakovlev recorded a conversation with him in 1940, in which Stalin exclaimed: 'Ezhov was a rat; in 1938 he killed many innocent people. We shot him for that!'"
(A.S. Yakovlev, Tsel Zhizni (Moscow, 1966), p. 179. Quoted in Grey, Ian. Stalin: Man of History. 1st ed. New York: Doubleday & Company, Inc., 1979., p. 289)
"It will take decades to overcome the evils of bureaucracy. It is a very difficult struggle, and anyone who says we can rid ourselves of bureaucratic practices overnight by adopting anti-bureaucratic platforms is nothing but a quack with a bent for fine words."
(See Lenin: Collected Works Volume 32; pp. 56-57)
"A second shortcoming. It consists in introducing administrative methods in the Party, in replacing the method of persuasion, which is of decisive importance for the Party, by the method of administration. This shortcoming is a danger no less serious than the first one. Why? Because it creates the danger of our Party organisations, which are independently acting organisations, being converted into mere bureaucratic institutions. If we take into account that we have not less than 60,000 of the most active officials distributed among all sorts of economic, co-operative and state institutions, where they are fighting bureaucracy, it must be admitted that some of them, while fighting bureaucracy in those institutions, sometimes become infected with bureaucracy themselves and carry that infection into the Party organisation. And this is not our fault, comrades, but our misfortune, for that process will continue to a greater or lesser degree as long as the state exists.
And precisely because that process has some roots in life, we must arm ourselves for the struggle against this shortcoming, we must raise the activity of the mass of the Party membership, draw them into the decision of questions concerning our Party leadership, systematically implant inner-Party democracy and prevent the method of persuasion in our Party practice being replaced by the method of administration."
(Stalin, J.V. The Fifteenth Congress of the C.P.S.U.(B.): December 2-19, 1927. Works, Vol. 10. Moscow: Foreign Languages Publishing House, 1954.)
Etc. Needless to say, these same bureaucrats opposed Stalin's democratic reforms to allow for multi-candidate elections.
Marxists are trolls, apparently?Quote:
Your views are stupid and aged enough for you to be a troll,
see, now you're getting itQuote:
Originally Posted by Husein
progress
mr die shut the fuck up
Yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Husein
mr die shut the fuck up
do you think anyone is going to read any of thatQuote:
Originally Posted by Husein
srsly
Still waiting for a resolution on the thread's future that isn't based on "Hurr Commienism."
Edit: While we're on the subject I notice that a lot of Indians permeate throughout Marxism. Harpal Brar is the leader of the CPGB-ML. Hardial Bains was leader of the CPC-ML (and basically the only other relatively well known Hoxhaist in the world besides Bill Bland and Hoxha himself). The three volumes of Capital I have were printed in Bhopal. Also, Anwar Shaikh. And furthermore, lots of Indian Communists in the Hind itself. M.N. Roy, Suniti Kumar Ghosh, and M.N. Vijayan are examples. Plus the India-Albania Friendship Association. If this wasn't enough, Marx mentions Vishnu in Capital. (And for what it's worth, the Naxalites and the current crop of Indian Maoists were/are quite potent)
Someone better tell Sycld that his continent is both a hotbed of Marxism and has done much to further it worldwide.
mr die shut the fuck up
The resolution of the thread is done, mr die. The question is how long do you continue pushing this before I ban you for not listening to nermy's command to shut the fuck up
Here is the thing mr. die. This website has gone to absolute shit and no one gives a fuck about your tl;dr commie discussions. Why the fuck do you keep coming back here when this is the same response you get every fucking time. Guess what, your post made in AI probably deserved to stay in there if we compared it to any other thread in that shithole. No one gives a fuck about or enforces any rules. The only people who get banned are people who atmosfear doesn't like that day. There are no infractions there is nothing. Stop trying to think that you will be treated fairly here because you won't. Ever. As soon as you start talking about marx or that faggot adam smith then everyone will realize right away who you are and you will be ridiculed. STOP FUCKING POSTING HERE AND GO TO SOME COMMIE FORUM WHERE THEY WILL LOVE AND ACCEPT YOUR STUPID FUCKING IDEAS.
thing is the endless ramblings that no one cares about are irritating by themselves
but if they were accompanied by any kind of wit, they might just make me like him more
kind of in the way that I know Stephen Fry could talk the tits off me on various subjects I have no interest in, but I'd enjoy it anyway because he's hilarious and a likeable character
mrdie is like stephen fry without the good bits
actually scrap that its still way too much praise
mrdie: stephen fry without the good bits
yeah it doesn't have a ring to it but nice try :)
i'll wring you in a second benzszsssz_
killuminati every time I ban you I make CD better for about 24 hours, so really your criticism is utterly undue
whoa there nelly we also ban a disproportionate number of spammersQuote:
Originally Posted by Killuminati
Please. I stay posting here for some reason that I haven't yet figured out but banning me doesn't make it any better. I'm not criticizing the people running it(except for you) because who can be bothered to try and get a forum back to lws status. That would be a lot of work that no one wants to do(also funny posters).Quote:
Originally Posted by Atmosfear
yea that's true.Quote:
Originally Posted by hydro
i dont think you understand that when you are subtracted it is a wonderful addition
It might be addition by subtraction but the effect on improving the website is negligible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Atmosfear
Adam Smith is a Communist faggot, apparently.Quote:
Originally Posted by Killuminati
Also I do go to forums where they "love and accept" my "stupid fucking ideas." As far as CD goes, I don't see where it's against the rules to be a Communist.
I fail to see why I should listen to Nermy. If you feel that the thread's resolution is finished (that, apparently, the thread belongs in Flames even though it was not at that quality and was arbitrarily decided by an anti-Communist based on the OP being a Communist) then it's only logical to close the thread.Quote:
The question is how long do you continue pushing this before I ban you for not listening to nermy's command to shut the fuck up
I like to limit that by never posting in Flames so Atmosfear doesn't get a casus belli to ban me or at least needs some higher justification to ban me. Of course this depends on how much Atmosfear dominates the forum or not. As late as January 2008 he was still deleting the posts that users were bringing into Flames written by me talking about how LWS was soon to collapse if the emo addiction wasn't stopped, etc. So Atmosfear is no stranger to being arbitrary.Quote:
The only people who get banned are people who atmosfear doesn't like that day.
You are missing the main point. No one here cares in the slightest. It's not against the rules specifically, but as I said before there are no real rules here. I mean this whole thing is going on in the suggestions subforum. Just shut the fuck up because no one is going to take you seriously and talk about what you want to. This is like me going to a forum about snowboarding and trying to convince everyone there that they should be skiing instead(in a long tl;dr way).Quote:
Originally Posted by Husein
Notice how I never once initiated a discussion about Communism. I replied to threads wherein my Communist views at the very least were expected (e.g. political threads). The only thing Communist about the Adam Smith thread was that it had links to Marxists.org writings on Smith, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Killuminati
mr die are you retarded? your thread could have been about mozart's influence on joplin and if your only point of discussion was to ask why no one every talks about it, you would've received the same treatment.
Are you meaning to say that I am also an anti-Mozart-ist?
I'm not going to say that didn't happen, not because it did, but because I can't read through your utterly slanted world-view to figure out what the fuck you're accusing me of physically doing.Quote:
As late as January 2008 he was still deleting the posts that users were bringing into Flames written by me talking about how LWS was soon to collapse if the emo addiction wasn't stopped, etc. So Atmosfear is no stranger to being arbitrary.
Oh fuck it, that sounds made up, I'll go ahead and deny it blindly; you're liable to be wrong as usual anyways.
http://imgur.com/xZxJQ.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Husein
Mirdie really gives me a headache.
If you had said "This thread then turned into a Joplinian circlejerk of pretentious prats" or whatever, succeeding a solid history of not particularly liking the user who posted the topic and shitting on Joplin along the way, then yeah.Quote:
Originally Posted by Atmosfear
I wouldn't mind so much if it was DeiTengu or sole or something, but with you... not so much.
I'm willing to leave the thread in Flames, even though I disagree with it being there.
I was banned in late 2007, and during this time the leadership of LAME was voted upon and Thamuz led it. Under Thamuz (aka VortexMedic), he and I decided to discuss with other users how LWS could get out of the shitty; stagnant situation it was currently in and how it could exercise the damn near quasi-demonic influence emos had on the forum. Whenever people posted what I wrote, in Flames, you deleted them. You didn't go "HURR MRDIE" or whatever, you just... deleted them so that no one would know they existed. These weren't topics, just posts.Quote:
I'm not going to say that didn't happen, not because it did, but because I can't read through your utterly slanted world-view to figure out what the fuck you're accusing me of physically doing.
Considering the importance of LAME, that was sorta a dick move on your part.
Mr. Die shut the fuck up, I mean seriously, if my views aren't accepted on the soap box I love to carry around, then I stop standing in that fucking area. Do you see anything serious on this forum? Anywhere? Yea, that's cause no one wants it here.
And bitching about Atmosfear moving it to Flames is just as stupid if I were to complain about being banned every few days for retarded reasons.
At one point I thought you were just being dumb and could change, now I can't wait till you get a SOS on your ass
which means I hope you go to jail and die
I have and have theroised that it wasnt important at allQuote:
Originally Posted by Husein
if this is what you do im not surprised you're a worthless piece of shit
Our resident commie fag PM'd me:
Quote:Fucking duh. Gandhi was a socialist. India was neutral during the Cold War, but it was closer to the Soviet Bloc than the US. For example, my uncle went to university for a period in East Germany.Quote:
Originally Posted by Husein
And the recent economic surge in India is due in no small part to their abandonment of anti-capitalist principles.
Maoists have been found in many parts of the world, like the Shining Path rebels in Peru. So there are some in India, so what?
As for Marx mentioning Vishnu in one of his works, lots of 19th century philosophers were influenced by South and East Asian thought and imagery.
Finally, you forgot to mention that the states of West Bengal and Kerala have had communist parties in government for a while now. In fact, Kerala's first elected government was the very first communist government that had entered power through an open election. Though both states have problems because of this, such as rather business-unfriendly attitudes, one remarkable fact is that Kerala's literacy rate is the highest in the country at 91% (compared to the country-wide literacy rate of 65%.) On the other hand, West Bengal's literacy rate is actually only 61%.
tl;dr: sycld makes a mr.die post itt
Mr. Die needs to shut the fuck up!
not nearly enough massive, pro-communist quotations for that
also a distinct lack of whining
mrdie thinks he is being persecuted for being a communist when he is an idiot being treated as one
Unfortunately for you, it doesn't matter what the fuck you mind, or what you are willing to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Husein
Hey dipshit I wasn't a mod until 2008.Quote:
Originally Posted by Husein
you know on one hand you don't wanna feed the troll but on the other no matter how much kibble we keep in the cabinet it keeps begging
doesn't Atmosfear like own the site right now?
So who are you complaining to?
lol
Is that funny cause I'm right, or because I'm not?
@sycld:
Gandhi was a pro-British social-democrat. The Communists weren't very fond of him.Quote:
Gandhi was a socialist.
http://theredphoenix.wordpress.com/2...e-doesnt-work/
The Shining Path however have never been much popular. The Maoists in India are significantly more popular by contrast. Also Peru is not a hotbed of Communism, it just happens to have had Communist rebellions, the same of which can be said about pretty much every third-world state.Quote:
Maoists have been found in many parts of the world, like the Shining Path rebels in Peru. So there are some in India, so what?
I knew this.Quote:
As for Marx mentioning Vishnu in one of his works, lots of 19th century philosophers were influenced by South and East Asian thought and imagery.
And today the Communists of that "Communist Party" are comprador pseudo-communists who murder dissidents.Quote:
Finally, you forgot to mention that the states of West Bengal and Kerala have had communist parties in government for a while now
I just wanted to see your reaction. I'm glad you know your history.
@Atmosfear:
I was simply suggesting things. That is what this forum area is for, after all.Quote:
Unfortunately for you, it doesn't matter what the fuck you mind, or what you are willing to do.
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Hey dipshit I wasn't a mod until 2008.
Forgive me for not having a precise memory of forum events from one and a half years ago when I was not even on the forum, but I still clearly stated that late 2007 (as in, December) to early (January) 2008 was when the posts were being deleted. If you became a mod in January of 2008, then they were deleted in that month.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moi
@gina:
As I said, you guys could just close the topic and I'd have no reason to reply. I already said that I'm content with keeping the Adam Smith thread in Flames.Quote:
you know on one hand you don't wanna feed the troll but on the other no matter how much kibble we keep in the cabinet it keeps begging
look guys mrdie edited another one of his posts because he thinks we're gonna read all them words
god guys you are such children
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Originally Posted by Husein
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