Another Mafia Game!!

So now it's time for me to mod one haha

I need about 9 people to play, and it will be the mod style like coquavins where you don't know what roles there are until each person dies

I don't have flavour yet, I will work on that

EDIT: when I say about 9 people, I mean I need 9 people hahah


Players
KT.
simonj
sycld


Flavour!

Off the coast of PEI is a small island known to the locals as British Schoal. It is a small island, with a population of what used to be 11 people. One night, the island's only police officer, Andy Randy and his wife, Nancy Randy, were shot down. The only clue as to who did it was a note on the bodies saying "we run this - mafia"

There are 9 islanders left, and it is up to them to stop the mafia before they really do take over the town.

Rules!

During the day, a majority vote will cause a lynch to happen and end the day phase. The night phase will then begin (duh) and any players with night roles will submit their actions to me via PM. Once I have received all night actions I will post the results of the night phase.

No PMs please
It's a lot more fun if the only people who can form a secret alliance is the mafia.

Post!
Try to post once per day, it will make the game run more smoothly.

Also, I realize my flavour isn't as good as coqs or atmoscheers, but it will get better I am sure hahahh

I'm in...

I'm in like a small bed and breakfast (inn)

In.

I can't wait until it's my turn to run a game. (SKRULL MAFIA)

hahah sick

thanks for letting me go!

this is a terrible idea

Coqauvin, just start your game.

This is going to turn out worse than MrShrike. Experienced players can barely balance these crockshit setups, nevermind someone with no idea what the fuck she is doing who barely posts like WellAdjusted.

Protip: concealing the setup just means people put more time into the game before they recognize that the setup is unbalanced/breakable/flawed and that's just bullshit. If you don't think that's true, I broke MrShrike's game TWICE in two consecutive posts. Both times he had been offered constructive criticism prior to the start and he swore that it was a playable game.

Why is it a bullshit setup and a waste of time? I'm so glad you asked. Because the game is all about information and pitting an informed minority against an uninformed majority. When you take away that balance between player count and facts, you just have a series of partially-informed minorities. Sometimes they have different abilities, sure, but what it really boils down to is that there is just 1 dominant strategy that everyone should employ. And the strategy is simple: hide your abilities (if you have any) and appear vanilla town (even if no town exists, see Coq's 3 mafia strategy.) The game is no longer about gaining information from other players, its about gaining information about the fucking setup in order to be the first to exploit its obvious weaknesses. The more elaborate the setup itself gets, the more difficult it is figure out what's going on, and the more players (should and do) adhere to the 1 dominant strategy. Then it's all luck, and everything basically amounts to Random Vote Stage after Random Vote Stage.

Sorry, but I can't sit idly by and watch an otherwise fairly active mafia community waste a week or more playing a crap game. If you've never hosted a game, start with Vanilla, for the love of Christ. And even then, I don't trust anyone here (coq included) to devise a secret setup game all by himself. If you want to add some mystery to the setup, then post a list of possible setups and randomly determine which one is selected (meaning, 3 mafia/1 nurse/1 sheriff. 1 mafia/1 godfather/1 vigilante. 2 mafia/1 miller/1 sheriff/1 nurse.)

And WellAdjusted, this is nothing against you personally.

well what is so bad about it
either i fuck up, and fine .. game is over in like 2 days

or i don't fuck up and you get to play mafia

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Originally Posted by Atmoscheer

Coqauvin, just start your game.

This is going to turn out worse than MrShrike. Experienced players can barely balance these crockshit setups, nevermind someone with no idea what the fuck she is doing who barely posts like WellAdjusted.

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If WellAdjusted doesn't want to fix her game and we decide not to play it then it's my turn to mod. My game doesn't have the problem you describe.

I could let you guys know what the roles are but there are a few different roles..

my game probably won't work, but in this case if it doesn't, it means it is going to end quickly.. which is what you want, no?

atmoscheer if you don't want to play anyways why not have a look at it and see if it's completely horrible or not haha

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Originally Posted by WellAdjusted

I could let you guys know what the roles are but there are a few different roles..

my game probably won't work, but in this case if it doesn't, it means it is going to end quickly.. which is what you want, no?

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If you, the creator of the game, doesn't think the setup will work then why should we bother playing it at all? I don't want to play a broken game even if it ends quickly.

hahah

dude seriously what is the big deal? if it fails it fails

I don't want to waste my time.

ps all my funny setups I stole from other places

hey WellAdjusted, how weird is your setup, with 1 being the last games setup and 10 being the 3maf/1serial killer setup?

Not that it really matters, but I'm going to run another game anyways

Who cares who mods, just get games going

it's like 7
you are running one at the same time?

well i guess mine is dead
whoever does it can close the thread

yeah, why not?

WA, PM me the setup, if you don't mind.

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Originally Posted by KT.

I don't want to waste my time.

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KT.'s time is worth money, you know

WA, you're kind of missing the point. It's not that you don't know what you're doing with a hidden setup, it's that no one does because it's a completely different game driven by luck. Why don't we just bet on a random number generator?

Understand--a player can look for tells, but he can't know what to do about it unless he knows the game. If you could tell your opponent's cards in a poker game with 100% accuracy, what good would it do if you don't know which poker hands are winners? Half-blind setups broaden the range of possibilities and eliminate the universal dominant strategy (namely, all players play the same regardless of role and alignment) without determining the outcome with what is effectively a dice roll. Back to the poker analogy... You can play blind man's bluff, but you can't play blind man's bluff with random hand values.

Okay, I see what you are saying. No one knows what they are looking for, and you can't really tell if the behaviour is suspicious because it might not be suspicious depending on the role etc.

I've accepted my loss haha oh well, I thought it would be kinda fun to mod. Maybe I'll try one that isn't hidden, but I doubt the haters would join hahah

I can settle for just playing

I feel like a child whose dreams have just been shattered

The idea of a closed setup is that you have specific mechanics that could conflict with each other. If the 3mafia game had been open, the gameplay would've have been so much lamer. Closing the setup allowed the weird setup to function as it should've - people needed to figure out how many mafia were there and combat them.

Well, that actually didn't happen - closed setups are a really asshole thing to do. There has to be a reason for every role in your game and why the game needs to be closed in order to work properly.

at this point just post your setup so we can decide whether to play


cop only setup seems like a fun logic puzzle
6 town, 1 mafia:

true cop - investigates players' town or mafia alignment
paranoid cop - everyone appears as mafia
naive cop - everyone appears as town
insane cop - mafia appears as town, and vice versa
random cop - investigations give "town" or "mafia" randomly
mortician - investigates dead players to find their exact role (which type of cop)
mafia investigator - investigates players' exact role (which type of cop)

There is a cop setup called Dethy

1 Sane Cop
1 Insane Cop
1 Naive Cop
1 Paranoid Cop
1 Goon

Cop headstart (night 0, no mafia kill)

It's mostly a logic puzzle more than a mafia game

i would have given it a chance and played

it was outrageously town-favoured

to: coq
from: mutton
re: mafia 6

setup 4 by itself favours the mafia, which offsets some of the balance you are trying to provide

make it so the doc can't protect himself every night?

Yoou are Mafia!
You, along with ____ (and possibly ______) have decided to kill Mr. and Mrs. Randy and take over the town. You may vote for one person to kill each night. Discussion will be through PMs. PM me once you have decided.

You are a Villager!
You are just an innocent bystander to the unfortunate events that are taking place on this island. Do your best to try to rid the island of mafia.

You are the Village Bodyguard!
Your mom told you never to give up on your dreams, and, after losing your job as Biggie Smalls' body guard you moved to British Schoal to find a new home and hopefully a new beginning. Each night you have the chance to protect one person from any night actions. You are a little rusty though, so there is a 50/50 chance that you will die while protecting someone.

You are the Village Granny!
You have been here for so long and seen so many mafia takeovers that you have developed paranoid tendencies. You will shoot anyone that visits you at night.

You are the Vigilante!
You never did like the way the village was run, so you now take it into your own hands to protect the village. You can kill one person each night. You win when the mafia is dead.

You are Billy Randy!
With the death of your parents you are now taking it upon yourself to protect the village from evil doers. Though you can't kill anyone, you can stop either the mafia or the vigilante each night, as you cannot be in two places at once.

Those would have been the pms but coq you say its too town friendly so I guess I would have taken out the granny and add another mafia.


But yes I get it I'm retrded it won't work. Stop tearing away at my soul

Yeah, glad we avoided that.

WA get in line again and host a public, vanilla game. No one has a problem with you hosting. We just want a reasonable game :)

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Originally Posted by mutton

to: coq
from: mutton
re: mafia 6

setup 4 by itself favours the mafia, which offsets some of the balance you are trying to provide

make it so the doc can't protect himself every night?

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I usually make it so that the doc can only protect himself once, but I'll probably make it so that he can't protect himself at all, which matches flavour a little better.

Setup 4 doesn't favour the mafia, it's just a 2/7 game of mafia without any power roles. Then mafia will have to be found instead of just overturned by a PR.

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Originally Posted by WellAdjusted

But yes I get it I'm retrded it won't work. Stop tearing away at my soul

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It's just that it favours town. Take away the granny and the vigilante and it's a vanilla game, which is fairly balanced.

my intuition is 2/7 favours the mafia


the Billy Randy role is interesting and relies on there being a vigilante
if Billy Randy stops the mafia every night, he puts faith in the vigilante to make good reads
if Billy Randy stops either side randomly, the town has to interpret whether the kill is by the mafia or by the vigilante

ok yeah that favours town alright

There would have

EDIT : lol touch phones

i'm for any setup that heightens that chance that i stick my probes into think.


also, this would make more sense if the island were stuck in the middle of polynesia. that's where people on barely populated islands commit atrocities against each other.

see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pitcair..._trial_of_2004.

ps fuque u tengu

Christian’s two daughters also said that they had both been sexually active from the age of 12, with one of them claiming that she started having sex at 13, "and I felt hot shit about it, too".

That is disgusting.. that article

Also I am claiming next game after KT.

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Originally Posted by atmosfear

http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/4929/odds.png

And yes, when it reaches 1 mafia, 2 town, it is a 50-50 outcome. Because the town cannot tie and no lynch, and a player cannot vote for himself, it always amounts to two players voting for eachother and the third breaking the tie.

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unless the two players voting for each other are both town, in which case the mafia always wins

so it's still 66% for mafia in this case

Or the two town can vote first, both for the mafia. Still 50/50.

Also with 2/7 there is no chance for a nolynch (town should nolynch at 1/3, 2/4, and 3/5, but none occurs.)

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voter                6 cases of who they vote for
M                T1        T2        T1        T1        T2        T2
T1                M        M        M        T2        T2        T2
T2                M        M        T1        T1        M        T1

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mafia wins 4 of 6

You might be right.

My thought was that, because the game ends immediately if the first vote is wrong, it really only matters what the first person does. I also made the assumption that the mafia wouldn't want to act first, but that's more of a generalization about mafia play than it is anything truly random.

I imagine in reality, the number is closer to 50-50, but since this was supposedly based on pure probability, you're right. The numbers should be more like 63% mafia-favored.

I have three midterms tomorrow, and I keep looking back here for a mafia game or something to get my mind off of stress... but there is nothing

since the other mafia thread is closed right now, I'm going to bitch here about Think not logging in for 3 days.

DAMN YOU THINK I WANT TO PLAY MAFIA

FUCKING LOG IN AND CONFIRM

I hope he didn't die. That would be a great loss for Wales.

I recently discovered that, yes, mountainous games tend to favour mafia over town by a roughly 40/60% odds. But that's only for random lynches.

blah blah blah redundant information

Coqauvin the other piece of that is the smaller the player pool, the more the outcomes represent random votes, even with power roles. The less time the town has to gather information, the more the outcomes skew toward random.

time is in no way dependant on the number of players in terms of how it impacts the game. The overall length is longer if there are more players because there are more people to sift through, but in terms of actually finding the mafia, time is irrelevant. Days last as long as they need to.

let's go I wanna lynch some nuckas

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Originally Posted by coqauvin

I recently discovered that, yes, mountainous games tend to favour mafia over town by a roughly 40/60% odds. But that's only for random lynches.

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Who plays completely randomly?

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Originally Posted by KT.

Who plays completely randomly?

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no one, but in order to model things easily, one sometimes has to simplify things and then keep in mind the simplifications when considering deviations between the model and real life.

if that's not a good enough answer,


then your mom. your mom does.

my mom doesn't :'(

coq's mom is dead

so is hitler

coincidence?

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Originally Posted by simonj

coq's mom is dead

so is hitler

coincidence?

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hitler isn't dead

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Originally Posted by KT.

Who plays completely randomly?

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I do you dumb bitch

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Originally Posted by simonj

I hope he didn't die. That would be a great loss for Wales.

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Calling shenanagins on this one

also welladjusted come stay with me we'll have some parties oh yeah
p.s. no you can't actually stay with me don't be silly

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Originally Posted by Think

Calling shenanagins on this one

also welladjusted come stay with me we'll have some parties oh yeah
p.s. no you can't actually stay with me don't be silly

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zing

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Originally Posted by Think

Calling shenanagins on this one

also welladjusted come stay with me we'll have some parties oh yeah
p.s. no you can't actually stay with me don't be silly

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Oh bro you caught me.

But hey, look, you're not dead.

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Originally Posted by coqauvin

time is in no way dependant on the number of players in terms of how it impacts the game. The overall length is longer if there are more players because there are more people to sift through, but in terms of actually finding the mafia, time is irrelevant. Days last as long as they need to.

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Time is completely dependent. If you have a threat of losing on day 3, the town is afforded far less room for error. A single wrong assumption can doom the town to effectively random votes.

Room for error is not related to time.

Time is not related to realtime

look you can take a full week of realtime getting a lynch on day 1. In that time, there will be a host of connections made just from people arguing with each other. If you miss, certain information is solidified and some is rendered null. Regardless, time's only impact on the game is roughly: the less time you spend hunting mafia, the more likely the mafia are to win.

when you say 'time' i assume 'realtime' not 'game turns'

you say 'party' we say 'die'

fucking shit, can we start the new game or what?

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Originally Posted by Think

Calling shenanagins on this one

also welladjusted come stay with me we'll have some parties oh yeah
p.s. no you can't actually stay with me don't be silly

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Can we still party?