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    Also, to boot, that thread wasn't even a discussion because no one disagreed that Adam Smith's political economics were a basis of Marx's work because it's a goddamned fact. Just because you can post more words about the fact that everyone else (I mean really, who gives a shit?) doesn't make it an AI thread worth keeping.
    It doesn't make it a Flames-worthy thread either. As I said, put it in either "Casual Intercourse" or, if necessary, "cryptic's thread emporium."

    Just like the old communist part, mr die, it really is all about who you know, not what you know.
    After the Khrushchevites took over, yes. Before that no, both Lenin and Stalin regarded ideology as very important. Both stressed the need to fight bureaucracy, to combat revisionism, and to purge rightists.

    As anti-communist historian Ian Grey notes:
    "Stalin could not maintain direct control over the purge. He was aware that the NKVD had arrested many people who were not guilty and that of the 7 to 14 million people serving sentences of forced labor in the GULAG camps many were innocent of any taint of disloyalty. They were inevitable sacrifices, inseparable from any campaign on this scale. But he resented this waste of human material. The aircraft designer Yakovlev recorded a conversation with him in 1940, in which Stalin exclaimed: 'Ezhov was a rat; in 1938 he killed many innocent people. We shot him for that!'"
    (A.S. Yakovlev, Tsel Zhizni (Moscow, 1966), p. 179. Quoted in Grey, Ian. Stalin: Man of History. 1st ed. New York: Doubleday & Company, Inc., 1979., p. 289)

    "It will take decades to overcome the evils of bureaucracy. It is a very difficult struggle, and anyone who says we can rid ourselves of bureaucratic practices overnight by adopting anti-bureaucratic platforms is nothing but a quack with a bent for fine words."
    (See Lenin: Collected Works Volume 32; pp. 56-57)


    "A second shortcoming. It consists in introducing administrative methods in the Party, in replacing the method of persuasion, which is of decisive importance for the Party, by the method of administration. This shortcoming is a danger no less serious than the first one. Why? Because it creates the danger of our Party organisations, which are independently acting organisations, being converted into mere bureaucratic institutions. If we take into account that we have not less than 60,000 of the most active officials distributed among all sorts of economic, co-operative and state institutions, where they are fighting bureaucracy, it must be admitted that some of them, while fighting bureaucracy in those institutions, sometimes become infected with bureaucracy themselves and carry that infection into the Party organisation. And this is not our fault, comrades, but our misfortune, for that process will continue to a greater or lesser degree as long as the state exists.

    And precisely because that process has some roots in life, we must arm ourselves for the struggle against this shortcoming, we must raise the activity of the mass of the Party membership, draw them into the decision of questions concerning our Party leadership, systematically implant inner-Party democracy and prevent the method of persuasion in our Party practice being replaced by the method of administration."
    (Stalin, J.V. The Fifteenth Congress of the C.P.S.U.(B.): December 2-19, 1927. Works, Vol. 10. Moscow: Foreign Languages Publishing House, 1954.)

    Etc. Needless to say, these same bureaucrats opposed Stalin's democratic reforms to allow for multi-candidate elections.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Husein View Post
    Marxists are trolls, apparently?
    see, now you're getting it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Husein View Post
    Marxists are trolls, apparently?
    Yes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Husein View Post
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    do you think anyone is going to read any of that

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    Still waiting for a resolution on the thread's future that isn't based on "Hurr Commienism."

    Edit: While we're on the subject I notice that a lot of Indians permeate throughout Marxism. Harpal Brar is the leader of the CPGB-ML. Hardial Bains was leader of the CPC-ML (and basically the only other relatively well known Hoxhaist in the world besides Bill Bland and Hoxha himself). The three volumes of Capital I have were printed in Bhopal. Also, Anwar Shaikh. And furthermore, lots of Indian Communists in the Hind itself. M.N. Roy, Suniti Kumar Ghosh, and M.N. Vijayan are examples. Plus the India-Albania Friendship Association. If this wasn't enough, Marx mentions Vishnu in Capital. (And for what it's worth, the Naxalites and the current crop of Indian Maoists were/are quite potent)

    Someone better tell Sycld that his continent is both a hotbed of Marxism and has done much to further it worldwide.
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    Our resident commie fag PM'd me:

    Quote Originally Posted by Husein View Post
    Still waiting for a resolution on the thread's future that isn't based on "Hurr Commienism."

    Edit: While we're on the subject I notice that a lot of Indians permeate throughout Marxism. Harpal Brar is the leader of the CPGB-ML. Hardial Bains was leader of the CPC-ML (and basically the only other relatively well known Hoxhaist in the world besides Bill Bland and Hoxha himself). The three volumes of Capital I have were printed in Bhopal. Also, Anwar Shaikh. And furthermore, lots of Indian Communists in the Hind itself. M.N. Roy, Suniti Kumar Ghosh, and M.N. Vijayan are examples. Plus the India-Albania Friendship Association. If this wasn't enough, Marx mentions Vishnu in Capital. (And for what it's worth, the Naxalites and the current crop of Indian Maoists were/are quite potent)

    Someone better tell Sycld that his continent is both a hotbed of Marxism and has done much to further it worldwide.
    Fucking duh. Gandhi was a socialist. India was neutral during the Cold War, but it was closer to the Soviet Bloc than the US. For example, my uncle went to university for a period in East Germany.

    And the recent economic surge in India is due in no small part to their abandonment of anti-capitalist principles.

    Maoists have been found in many parts of the world, like the Shining Path rebels in Peru. So there are some in India, so what?

    As for Marx mentioning Vishnu in one of his works, lots of 19th century philosophers were influenced by South and East Asian thought and imagery.

    Finally, you forgot to mention that the states of West Bengal and Kerala have had communist parties in government for a while now. In fact, Kerala's first elected government was the very first communist government that had entered power through an open election. Though both states have problems because of this, such as rather business-unfriendly attitudes, one remarkable fact is that Kerala's literacy rate is the highest in the country at 91% (compared to the country-wide literacy rate of 65%.) On the other hand, West Bengal's literacy rate is actually only 61%.


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