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    Cool Building a PC

    EDIT: Updated the list.
    EDIT2: Updated list again.

    School is starting soon. I plan to hit the books and be an excellent student by building a badass gaming PC so I can finally play Skyrim, SR3, BF3, MW3 on ultra settings bought with my "fuck you military" government money sitting on a comfy couch in front on a brand new huge flatscreen television.


    I'm starting from scratch and aiming around a grand. I'm already three to four hundred over that total.
    Factoring the lowest available price I roll in at $1143.
    Factoring the highest available price with and without shipping I come in at a whopping $1440/$1372.

    My ideal goal is all aforementioned games playable with a good framerate on ultra settings. I feel so dumb asking this but will playing on a widescreen LCD television have any affect on this?

    By the way, this is my first time building a computer, so if I'm posting like a fool please feel free to school me. I plan on upgrading over the next year to include a SSD and a BD/DVD/CD R/RW drive.The power supply wattage is calculated to figure in the listed items, future upgrades, current USB, and additional fans. I used Newegg's calculator (501W) and eXtreme Power calculator(503).
    http://educations.newegg.com/tool/psucalc/index.html
    http://extreme.outervision.com/PSUEngine

    My projected completion date is sometime mid-to-end February. I'll start ordering parts once I feel much more solid in the parts I've listed.

    NEWEST LIST 25JAN2012
    Part list permalink / Part price breakdown by merchant

    CPU: Intel Core i7-2600K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($279.99 @ Microcenter)
    CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($34.99 @ Newegg)
    Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z68X-UD4-B3 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($189.99 @ Amazon)
    Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-2133 Memory ($69.99 @ Newegg)
    Hard Drive: Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($134.99 @ SuperBiiz)
    Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 580 3GB Video Card ($537.86 @ Newegg)
    Case: Cooler Master HAF X ATX Full Tower Case ($179.99 @ Newegg)
    Power Supply: Corsair 850W ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($183.99 @ Amazon)
    Optical Drive: Sony BD-5300S Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer ($89.98 @ Newegg)
    Monitor: Asus VE276Q 27.0" Monitor ($273.42 @ Mac Connection)
    Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional SP1 (64-bit) ($138.99 @ B&H)
    Keyboard: Logitech K800 Wireless Slim Keyboard ($69.99 @ Newegg)
    Mouse: Logitech G700 Wireless Laser Mouse ($76.57 @ Amazon)
    Total: $2260.74
    (Prices include shipping and discounts when available.)
    (Generated 2012-01-25 06:58 EST-0500)

    2nd list updated 21Jan2012
    2nd list added 21jan2012


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    You're building a gaming rig and not going with an i7? I'd also recommend going to a 10000rpm drive and 12GB RAM.

    If you save a couple dollars going with a cheaper but similar quality case, you may be able to squeeze the extra horsepower in.

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    Shitface knows about this stuff but he's banned. He helped me pick out a graphics card.
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    That memory is triple channel. 1155 boards do NOT support 3 ram sticks at a time. You might want to go with a Z68 board in case something goes wrong with the GPU you can still run the integrated GPU. Horrible time to buy a HDD unfortunately.

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231422
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harner View Post
    You're building a gaming rig and not going with an i7? I'd also recommend going to a 10000rpm drive and 12GB RAM.

    If you save a couple dollars going with a cheaper but similar quality case, you may be able to squeeze the extra horsepower in.
    Sorry Harner, you're usually on the ball with these things, but have you taken some retarded pills or something?
    You don't need an i7 for gaming at all, its pointless. Unless you're doing graphics rendering or CAD or something, you don't need an i7.

    The only benefits over an i5 that an i7 has is that it has multi-threading and some extra cache. Games don't even use multi-threading properly at the moment, and you can overclock the i5 to much higher speeds than i7, even if you overclocked the i7.

    You may say well, what about those that don't want to overclocking?
    I say, its easy as fuck now. Motherboard tech make it very easy now, gui bios etc. Some places even overclock it for you.

    tl;dr : don't get i7 if its just for gaming, get an i5 2500k and overclock the shit out of it

    @MPR: I will take a proper look sometime at the weekend (lol adjusting to new job), unless I get some free time before then. But I am more than willing to make a decent build with awesome prices for you if you want. (lol if i can get better prices than you...replied before reading whole thread...*hangs head in shame*)

    @Looshius: You get the one I picked? How you like it?
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    Retarded pills? Yes. However, if you're building a computer called a gaming rig, why settle for a mid-level CPU? MPR is looking at a high end box to put all this shit in, and only going middle of the road on a CPU.

    Fuck overclocking.

    I have somewhat of a gaming rig as well, and only really skimped on the video card (which I now regret). I like to host VM's, have 100 apps open, and run Skyrim on high settings at the same time. My i7 doesn't give a shit, and it's only the 920. Both are excellent processors, and if you're just gaming, the i5 will be fine. The $100 difference probably cannot be justified with gaming.

    TL;DR- I don't really give a fuck.

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    lol so, yeah you've basically agreed with me?

    if you're just getting a rig for gaming, i5 it is. it will run skyrim on ultra no problem.
    your rig sounds like an i7 was a good choice, given that you're running VMs in the background while doing multiple other things. I would hardly call that "just a gaming rig" lol.

    also why fuck overclocking? seriously, its easy as fuck when i did mine, and from what i read, now its even easier, by a lot. one or two clicks and it's done. in a gui bios .

    just make sure you're using a decent cooler and not the stock one and you should be fine.
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    I'm not into overclocking and never was. It's retarded easy, anymore. I know it is on mine, too. I, personally, never saw the benefits of it since I always ran a quality processor that handled everything I did. Doing it just for bragging rights is pretty damn gay. I'm a firm believer in running an aftermarket heatsink/fan setup instead of OEM, regardless of overclocking.

    I can see underclocking on phones and other mobile devices for tweaking battery life.

    At the end of the day, do whatever you want. If you can make a mid-range CPU scream without burning it out then I'm all for it. But, I'm content with my 3 year old setup that I can still throw anything at and it doesn't care.

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    Sorry to Thread Jack, but I too was thinking about building a computer. I have a question about SSD's though.

    I already have a 1.5TB hard drive that I currently boot from, and I when I use my new computer I want to boot the OS from the SSD. I DO NOT have a physical copy of Windows 7, nor do I have a DVD to burn it onto.. nor do I want to.. I have an ISO from my school, legitimate with Product Key. Would I be able to turn my computer on using my 1.5TB hard drive, and then run the ISO using a virtual drive, and tell it to install Windows 7 on my SSD, and then switch the boot order in the BIOS and simply have Windows 7 boot from the SSD? Or will it be necessary to boot from disc. Or I could just find someone with a boot disc and install 7, since I have my own product key.

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    Here's what I would do if the contents of the 1.5TB drive would fit on the new SSD.

    1) Use Acronis (Torrent or $50 - or use a freebie like Clonezilla) to take an image of the 1.5TB drive (store the image on an external drive)
    2) Restore the image onto the SSD
    3) Change the boot loader in BIOS to boot to the SSD
    4) Wipe the 1.5TB drive and use for storage

    This is all assuming you're using the same hardware, and not moving the 1.5TB drive from one computer to another. You can always burn the ISO to a DVD and install a fresh copy of Windows 7 to the SSD. As long as BIOS knows where to boot from, you shouldn't have a problem. I would definitely wipe the MBR from the 1.5TB drive when the SSD is up and running with an OS to avoid any kind of confusion.

    I have a 1TB RAID 1 (1TBx2 drives set up to mirror) for a storage partition, and at one time I must have installed Server 2008 on that and the MBR was still active. Talk about a PITA trying to figure that one out when dual booting my pc recently and playing with GRUB.

    Good luck.

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    Problem is too lazy to burn ahha, but we'll see if I still stick with an SSD build.. I already use Acronis so that shouldn't be a problem..

    Also, if I take the image and put onto external, and then wipe it, and then restore it using acronis, would it just put the OS back onto the external? Sorry, I'm not too experienced on backing up and restoring. And how would I be able to restore the image onto the SSD? Just a little confusion for me there :P.

    Thanks for the info though.

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    If you burn an Acronis ISO, you can define where the image file(s) are stored. Once an image is created, you can then restore the image wherever you want it to go.

    As long as the image isn't on the same partition.

    I also recommend running tool like partition magic, gParted, or MiniTool Partition Wizard. to make sure the partition has the max amount of space available once the imaging is over. This is mainly only needed if for instance you image a 20GB hard drive, then restore the image on a 40GB hard drive. The system will only recognize 20 of the 40GB available. Using one of the above tools, you can resize the partition to 40GB and all is right in the world.

    I did all of this when I upgraded the mail store partition in Exchange a couple months ago. Work smart not hard.

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    So you would do the partitioning and restoring on the SSD all while running off my 1.5TB? Makes more sense.

    So I could just backup/make an image to an external, then wipe my 1.5TB once everything is ready, and then put everything back on, because I REALLY do not feel like downloading my 80GB of Steam games and what not again. All I did recently was clone my HD from a 320GB to a 1.5TB using Arconis which was a magical charm, saved me a buttload of time. I went ahead and ordered most of my computer parts, still missing a PSU and SSD if I still decide to roll that way.

    I think for now I'll just build without the SSD, I'll use Arconis to copy things over necessary things onto the SSD if I need to if I ever buy it, I'll wait for a good price and time
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    Yes, you're on the right track. The only downfall is the size of SSD you'll probably need to accomodate your current data usage will probably be expensive. I don't know what SSD's for go these days, but I'm sure for $100 you won't buy too much space. Back when I built my setup, I went with a 32GB SSD for the OS and it was like $160. What a waste. That lasted about a year.

    Acronis is the shit. I've been using it for years and it just works. You can make an image of any size drive, and restore it on anything, as long as there is enough space.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harner View Post
    Retarded pills? Yes. However, if you're building a computer called a gaming rig, why settle for a mid-level CPU? MPR is looking at a high end box to put all this shit in, and only going middle of the road on a CPU.

    Fuck overclocking.

    I have somewhat of a gaming rig as well, and only really skimped on the video card (which I now regret). I like to host VM's, have 100 apps open, and run Skyrim on high settings at the same time. My i7 doesn't give a shit, and it's only the 920. Both are excellent processors, and if you're just gaming, the i5 will be fine. The $100 difference probably cannot be justified with gaming.

    TL;DR- I don't really give a fuck.
    The 2500k is better at almost everything over the 920 and overclocking it is not only an easy on it, it makes it very future proof(considering it doesn't even need an overclock atm). While being a mid range CPU on the list of Intel processors, it's revered as one of the best for gaming(beats out everything AMD has). The only reason to get anything more expensive with Hyper-Threading is if you are interested in heavy media production.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nick2.1 View Post
    The 2500k is better at almost everything over the 920 and overclocking it is not only an easy on it, it makes it very future proof(considering it doesn't even need an overclock atm). While being a mid range CPU on the list of Intel processors, it's revered as one of the best for gaming(beats out everything AMD has). The only reason to get anything more expensive with Hyper-Threading is if you are interested in heavy media production.
    Yer, what the all-knowing Nick said. You're assuming that all i5's are superior to all i7's, but just a little bit of research would bear out that the i5-2500k is better for gaming than the i7-920.

    Also, MPR, you're not being a sucker because you're taking advantage of Microcenter's "my god did they steal these processors or how the hell are they making a profit" pricing. Good for you.

    Other than that, I'm no expert. But I like my gaming rig.

    Are you sure that you can live with a 500 GB hard drive? I don't think I could.


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    Quote Originally Posted by sycld View Post
    Yer, what the all-knowing Nick said. You're assuming that all i5's are superior to all i7's, but just a little bit of research would bear out that the i5-2500k is better for gaming than the i7-920.

    Also, MPR, you're not being a sucker because you're taking advantage of Microcenter's "my god did they steal these processors or how the hell are they making a profit" pricing. Good for you.

    Other than that, I'm no expert. But I like my gaming rig.

    Are you sure that you can live with a 500 GB hard drive? I don't think I could.
    The microcenter deal is a working effort to get people to come to the store and buy other products, they don't really need it considering they are pretty nice stores from what I've heard. Hard Drive prices have gone up dramatically since the manufacturing facility was flooded and the prices probably won't go down for a while even though I doubt they are suffering anymore by now.

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    Yes, the i5-2500k is better than the 920. The 920 is a 3 year old CPU that probably is only available used on ebay. I have seen benchmarks of that i5 up against whatever low end i7 is available (950?) and it did very well, even exceeding performance with some applications.

    I was simply comparing my 920, which again, is 3 years old. If I were building a mid-range "gaming rig" for a client, the i5-2500k would be ideal. If I were building something for myself, it'd definitely get an i7. We're talking a $120 difference between the two, which isn't a big deal if Uncle Sam is buying.

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    If you can afford it, wouldn't it be better to get whatever is the most powerful, regardless if you "need" it right now? Just because you don't need multi-threading or whatever right now, doesn't mean you won't need it 2 or 3 years from now.

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    I'll be building tomorrow after I pick up my entire build from Microcenter. The $180 i5-2500k is a great deal, plus that packaged with a mother board (Or if you decide to roll with i7-2600k) can get you $50 off select motherboards. Saving so much money at MC compared to Newegg. Hopefully the build goes A-OK, first time building, I've watched someone build before though, and i've done a lot of upgrades though, so I'm only new to the CPU and Front panel.

    I'm not on a tight budget, but I think the i5 will suffice for at least another 5 years? hopefully? It's (only) another $100 compared to the i5-2500k, but I think I'll have to pass..

    I'm just going to be glad with more up to date technology. I'll be giving my mom my old computer with a core 2 quad core and 4gb of DDR2 Ram, DDR2! Finally
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    Quote Originally Posted by crapoo16 View Post
    Hopefully the build goes A-OK, first time building, I've watched someone build before though, and i've done a lot of upgrades though, so I'm only new to the CPU and Front panel.
    I never built a PC before myself, but I had hardly any issues after assembling it. I really just had some problems with molex power connections (including one with a loose pin). There was nothing that ever put any system component in jeopardy. Just be sure to read the manuals and literature that comes with the products, to be extra sure that you haven't forgotten or overlooked anything. Most connections only let you make them one way.

    I'm not on a tight budget, but I think the i5 will suffice for at least another 5 years? hopefully? It's (only) another $100 compared to the i5-2500k, but I think I'll have to pass..
    Again... if you get the lowest model i7, you're getting a DOWNGRADE compared to the i5-2500k, for most purposes.

    The i5-2500k will match or exceed the LOWEST model i7 for tasks like gaming. The tasks at which the lowest model i7 excels are those that can make extensive use of hyperthreading, like media production, as Nick said previously in this thread, tasks which you aren't interested in as a home user.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nick2.1 View Post
    The microcenter deal is a working effort to get people to come to the store and buy other products, they don't really need it considering they are pretty nice stores from what I've heard.
    Right but here's what I don't get:

    1) As you said, they don't need it.
    2) This discount applies to online purchases too, not just in-store purchases, so one could easily buy their processor from Microcenter.com and everything else from, say, Newegg.
    3) The processor is often the most expensive part of a build, or at least one of the most expensive parts. A processor discount as big as this one here significantly cuts into Microcenter's profits per newly built machine.

    So... I dunno..

    Hard Drive prices have gone up dramatically since the manufacturing facility was flooded and the prices probably won't go down for a while even though I doubt they are suffering anymore by now.
    Oh really? I was unaware. Was it a particular company's?


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    Quote Originally Posted by sycld View Post
    Right but here's what I don't get:

    1) As you said, they don't need it.
    2) This discount applies to online purchases too, not just in-store purchases, so one could easily buy their processor from Microcenter.com and everything else from, say, Newegg.
    3) The processor is often the most expensive part of a build, or at least one of the most expensive parts. A processor discount as big as this one here significantly cuts into Microcenter's profits per newly built machine.

    So... I dunno..
    The 180 dollar 2500k is an in store pickup only when you order online. There is still profit in the price they ask for a 2500k, they probably sell a good bit more then online stores for people who are in their area.



    Quote Originally Posted by sycld View Post
    Oh really? I was unaware. Was it a particular company's?
    There were some companies who it didn't affect, but their prices went up anyways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sycld View Post
    I never built a PC before myself, but I had hardly any issues after assembling it. I really just had some problems with molex power connections (including one with a loose pin). There was nothing that ever put any system component in jeopardy. Just be sure to read the manuals and literature that comes with the products, to be extra sure that you haven't forgotten or overlooked anything. Most connections only let you make them one way.

    Again... if you get the lowest model i7, you're getting a DOWNGRADE compared to the i5-2500k, for most purposes.

    The i5-2500k will match or exceed the LOWEST model i7 for tasks like gaming. The tasks at which the lowest model i7 excels are those that can make extensive use of hyperthreading, like media production, as Nick said previously in this thread, tasks which you aren't interested in as a home user.

    Oh really? I was unaware. Was it a particular company's?
    1. Yeah, thankfully everything is only 1 way, Just got to be thorough and careful, i just wanna boot the baby up already and get to playing games :P. I'm just afraid of not being fragile enough with the processor haha.

    2. If I were to go for i7, i would have just dished out for the 2600k, and as KT mentioned, just for $100 more it basically guarantees you from not buying a new processor for several more years, but I have confidence in the 2500k. I mean I doubt gaming will get too crazy on the processor, and I only do light video and music editing as a hobby.

    3. For the processors at microcenter, they don't ship (or for the most part), so people still gotta drive out to one of their 23 locations nationwide, thankfully I live 5 miles from one. So I just ordered online (they have a nice inventory checker, so if there isn't enough they won't let you order from there sadly), and it's guaranteed to be ready in 18 minutes. I have until Saturday night (3 business days) to pick up my order. They also allowed for paying immediately, or going to the store and paying when I pick everything up, leaving more room to do everything in one purchase if I find more stuff on my trip to MC.

    4. I have read nothing about it, but my brother told me about it too. Some flood in Taiwan or Thaliand (No offense to those that live in said countries, I just can't remember which one he told me.. at least I'm not using them interchangeably like an ignorant asshole) that really jacked up the HD prices. I was confused as to why my buddy was paying $100 for a 1TB Internal HD when just weeks before I spent $65 on a 1.5TB HD lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KT. View Post
    If you can afford it, wouldn't it be better to get whatever is the most powerful, regardless if you "need" it right now? Just because you don't need multi-threading or whatever right now, doesn't mean you won't need it 2 or 3 years from now.
    Depends on what applications you use. Gaming has barely touched more then 2 cores atm and I doubt it will make use of hyper-threading anytime soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crapoo16 View Post
    1. Yeah, thankfully everything is only 1 way, Just got to be thorough and careful, i just wanna boot the baby up already and get to playing games :P. I'm just afraid of not being fragile enough with the processor haha.
    Oh god, I know what you mean... I had difficulty taking it out of the package. I thought I damaged it in the process, but it was fine.

    But don't be too careful with it. You HAVE to make sure that the heatsink fan has good thermal contact with the top of the processor, and that means having to push the heatsink's pins into the motherboard and making them mechanically snap in place, then adjusting the do-hickies on the legs to secure a tight physical fit.

    2. If I were to go for i7, i would have just dished out for the 2600k, and as KT mentioned
    My bad. I wasn't paying attention.

    3. For the processors at microcenter, they don't ship (or for the most part), so people still gotta drive out to one of their 23 locations nationwide, thankfully I live 5 miles from one.
    Ooooh, whoops, that explains it

    I live near one as well. Thank god.

    4. I have read nothing about it, but my brother told me about it too. Some flood in Taiwan or Thaliand (No offense to those that live in said countries, I just can't remember which one he told me.. at least I'm not using them interchangeably like an ignorant asshole) that really jacked up the HD prices. I was confused as to why my buddy was paying $100 for a 1TB Internal HD when just weeks before I spent $65 on a 1.5TB HD lol.
    Ooooooh... interesting.

    I bet it has something to do with the manufacturing of read/write heads... those are probably the biggest pain of all the components to make for hard drives.


    And it looks like it does have something to do with the read/write head after all, at least...

    http://www.computerworld.com/s/artic...consumers_most


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    Thanks everyone for the replies and advice so far. I've been suggested various build options and contemplating what to change. I just haven't had the time to sit down and really put a second build together.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harner View Post
    You're building a gaming rig and not going with an i7? I'd also recommend going to a 10000rpm drive and 12GB RAM.

    If you save a couple dollars going with a cheaper but similar quality case, you may be able to squeeze the extra horsepower in.
    I'm going to pass on the 10000rpm HD. I'd like to get an SSD drive sometime in the future. I've come across reasonable arguments for and against getting an i7. I think the i5 is good for me now because it achieves what I want and will last me. However, I'm really interested in the i7 and will dwell upon it further. I have an interest in video editting though not enough warranting an i7. While I've been mentioning that the government is paying for this I don't have a blank check(I wish).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nick2.1 View Post
    That memory is triple channel. 1155 boards do NOT support 3 ram sticks at a time. You might want to go with a Z68 board in case something goes wrong with the GPU you can still run the integrated GPU. Horrible time to buy a HDD unfortunately.

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231422
    Yes thank you. A lot of people have pointed that out and I feel goofy and thanks for the suggestion. I partially blame pcpartspicker because it is only suppose to show compatible parts when building, and I blame myself for not knowing the difference.

    Quote Originally Posted by ShitFace View Post
    Sorry Harner, you're usually on the ball with these things, but have you taken some retarded pills or something?
    You don't need an i7 for gaming at all, its pointless. Unless you're doing graphics rendering or CAD or something, you don't need an i7.

    The only benefits over an i5 that an i7 has is that it has multi-threading and some extra cache. Games don't even use multi-threading properly at the moment, and you can overclock the i5 to much higher speeds than i7, even if you overclocked the i7.

    You may say well, what about those that don't want to overclocking?
    I say, its easy as fuck now. Motherboard tech make it very easy now, gui bios etc. Some places even overclock it for you.

    tl;dr : don't get i7 if its just for gaming, get an i5 2500k and overclock the shit out of it

    @MPR: I will take a proper look sometime at the weekend (lol adjusting to new job), unless I get some free time before then. But I am more than willing to make a decent build with awesome prices for you if you want. (lol if i can get better prices than you...replied before reading whole thread...*hangs head in shame*)

    @Looshius: You get the one I picked? How you like it?
    Well I am thanking you for posting this pcpartspicker site in a thread somewhere else on this site because this process would have taken me a lot longer without it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harner View Post
    Retarded pills? Yes. However, if you're building a computer called a gaming rig, why settle for a mid-level CPU? MPR is looking at a high end box to put all this shit in, and only going middle of the road on a CPU.

    Fuck overclocking.

    I have somewhat of a gaming rig as well, and only really skimped on the video card (which I now regret). I like to host VM's, have 100 apps open, and run Skyrim on high settings at the same time. My i7 doesn't give a shit, and it's only the 920. Both are excellent processors, and if you're just gaming, the i5 will be fine. The $100 difference probably cannot be justified with gaming.

    TL;DR- I don't really give a fuck.
    I'm actually thinking about changing the box because I could shift some cash to other areas of the PC such as getting an i7. While I'd take pride in my computer the least important aspect to me right now is the box. I've been given suggestions of other boxes that would do just as fine and incredibly more affordable. This is my first computer build and really I just want something better than I can get at the store or online without paying the exorbitant prices of Alienware/Cyberpower/etc. I think, at a minimum, a year or two from now I'll build a better rig with $2000 budget.

    Quote Originally Posted by sycld View Post
    Yer, what the all-knowing Nick said. You're assuming that all i5's are superior to all i7's, but just a little bit of research would bear out that the i5-2500k is better for gaming than the i7-920.

    Also, MPR, you're not being a sucker because you're taking advantage of Microcenter's "my god did they steal these processors or how the hell are they making a profit" pricing. Good for you.

    Other than that, I'm no expert. But I like my gaming rig.

    Are you sure that you can live with a 500 GB hard drive? I don't think I could.
    I have never heard of Microcenter until using pcpartspicker, but browsing around and comparing some of the prices I occasionally find cheaper parts.

    Quote Originally Posted by sycld View Post
    I never built a PC before myself, but I had hardly any issues after assembling it. I really just had some problems with molex power connections (including one with a loose pin). There was nothing that ever put any system component in jeopardy. Just be sure to read the manuals and literature that comes with the products, to be extra sure that you haven't forgotten or overlooked anything. Most connections only let you make them one way.
    I'm already paranoid that I'm going to fry the parts because of some rogue static charge that built up in me. Also, speaking of shocks, while researching building computers there was something I read that when building a computer there was some part or component of a PC that if touched while charged or not wearing proper protection could kill you. For the life of me I can't remember but that kind of jolted me up out my seat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mad Pino Rage View Post
    I read that when building a computer there was some part or component of a PC that if touched while charged or not wearing proper protection could kill you. For the life of me I can't remember but that kind of jolted me up out my seat.
    Err... the power supply? It has to be that. I don't think anything else could possibly supply enough current to seriously harm you in a PC.

    And that's only if the power supply has been plugged in. Even after the supply and the PC are shut off, the power supply can output a lethal current because of the stored charge in the supply's enormous capacitors.

    However, I think that if you don't open the power supply, and you don't do something like fool around with it while it's plugged in, you really have nothing at all to worry about. But this is why you never, ever open the power supply yourself.

    (And even fooling around with it while it's off but still plugged in is probably mostly safe. However, it still can be quite dangerous... don't spill your sooda on it...)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mad Pino Rage View Post
    I'm already paranoid that I'm going to fry the parts because of some rogue static charge that built up in me. Also, speaking of shocks, while researching building computers there was something I read that when building a computer there was some part or component of a PC that if touched while charged or not wearing proper protection could kill you. For the life of me I can't remember but that kind of jolted me up out my seat.
    The PSU could give you a good shocking, my old computer had a horrible PSU that shocked me a few times. It was only a mid shock, tasers can shock you more then a faulty PSU. When putting the computer together, don't have the PSU plugged in or have the switch on, if you need open you computer and do something in it, i suggest you flip the switch off. There really isn't anything to be afraid of really, I guarantee any decent rated PSU you buy will be of better quality then what you see in pre-built computers.

    EDIT: Corsair is having a 15% off PSU sale untill the 8th, I'd suggest this. I have a 3 year old Corsair and it runs perfectly.
    EDIT 2: And free shipping, you should always check for that in products.
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    I've done a bunch of touching my computer with my PSU still on/plugged in (very unsafe and stupid I know) but i'm still alive! Don't freak out .

    Be more scared about shorting your board/parts! Though I don't know if I'm grounding as much as I should at times, and I still haven't shorted anything..

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    Quote Originally Posted by crapoo16 View Post
    I've done a bunch of touching my computer with my PSU still on/plugged in (very unsafe and stupid I know) but i'm still alive! Don't freak out .

    Be more scared about shorting your board/parts! Though I don't know if I'm grounding as much as I should at times, and I still haven't shorted anything..
    Shorting isn't much of a problem these days. Usually only happens if the PSU is bad to start with. I don't really touch my PSU either if I'm doing something quick like installing a new HDD or maybe memory, but if it's something more I'll just pull the plug out from the PSU.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crapoo16 View Post
    I've done a bunch of touching my computer with my PSU still on/plugged in (very unsafe and stupid I know) but i'm still alive! Don't freak out .
    If you touch your computer with your PSU on... God will punish you

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    Shorting isn't much of a problem these days. Usually only happens if the PSU is bad to start with. I don't really touch my PSU either if I'm doing something quick like installing a new HDD or maybe memory, but if it's something more I'll just pull the plug out from the PSU.
    ...or if you get curious and stick a copper wire between two molex sockets...

    Also, my case is rather unique in this, that I can't hardly access anything inside without unplugging things from the PSU. Irrelevant, but just something that occurred to me...


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    Quote Originally Posted by sycld View Post
    If you touch your computer with your PSU on... God will punish you
    Most PSUs these days have safety restriction that make it safe to do small things while on.



    Quote Originally Posted by sycld View Post
    ...or if you get curious and stick a copper wire between two molex sockets....
    You can jump start a PSU using a copper wire in the 24 pin, I touched it and it buzzed me, not too powerful.

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    ok I'm not sure if anyone's mentioned this yet because I only skimmed around the point the thread went full retard but why the fuck are you getting a 560 ti to play new releases on ultra

    my 570 plays bf3 on high (or very high... not ultra) at 1920x1080. the 580 might do it, but it's pricey as fuck

    seriously you retarded fucks are arguing about an i5-2500k versus an (old?) i7 whose hyperthreading does nothing for gaming and whose cache will give insignificant gains next to a proper graphics card
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    Quote Originally Posted by sponge View Post
    ok I'm not sure if anyone's mentioned this yet because I only skimmed around the point the thread went full retard but why the fuck are you getting a 560 ti to play new releases on ultra

    my 570 plays bf3 on high (or very high... not ultra) at 1920x1080. the 580 might do it, but it's pricey as fuck

    seriously you retarded fucks are arguing about an i5-2500k versus an (old?) i7 whose hyperthreading does nothing for gaming and whose cache will give insignificant gains next to a proper graphics card
    A 560ti is a great card for any one building their first computer, higher end cards can be intimidating. If he isn't happy about the power of his GPU, then he can either send it back or grab another one and SLI that bitch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nick2.1 View Post
    A 560ti is a great card for any one building their first computer, higher end cards can be intimidating. If he isn't happy about the power of his GPU, then he can either send it back or grab another one and SLI that bitch.
    this is true but

    building a badass gaming PC so I can finally play Skyrim, SR3, BF3, MW3 on ultra settings
    [...]
    Any suggestions or advice?
    He wants a computer that will play those on ultra, and harner comes up with an i7 (and an absolutely ridiculous amount of RAM but ohwellramischeap) and bickering ensues, when IO and graphics processing power are going to be his bottlenecks way before CPU power with that load.
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    I'm probably going to stick with the i5 and the 560ti, but I'll look into the i7 when I get a moment to get back into this. I'm looking for a place, starting college tomorrow, and looking for a decent part-time job. Ideally, I'd like to play with max or ultra settings, but it is an ideal goal. I'm willing to settle for high settings and just run most of these games at that because I'm focused at meeting a $1000 budget as close as I possibly can get.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sponge View Post
    ...and harner comes up with an i7 (and an absolutely ridiculous amount of RAM but ohwellramischeap) and bickering ensues, when IO and graphics processing power are going to be his bottlenecks way before CPU power with that load.
    I do agree with this. I mean, for a setup relating just to gaming on "ultra settings", gpu is important. I honestly didn't really check out the specs on that card, because I'm not that much of a hardcore gamer to give a shit.

    What I will say, is the likelihood of this computer being a dedicated 100% gaming machine is pretty slim. 12GB seems like a lot now, but seriously it's 2011. I spec out workstations with 8GB of RAM, with a life expectancy per machine of 3-5 years.

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    MPR: honestly, forget about the i7. If you wanna spend a bit more, get a better graphics card.

    as for the ram amount being too much...i'd say its about right for a high end gaming pc.
    I used to say 4gb is a good number for gaming pcs, you will never need more than that...but now I feel that 8gb is now that 'standard'. I have 4gb, and I find myself wishing I had more (after 6 years but still).

    So yeah, 8gb ram as a standard gaming rig, 12gb if you want to go slightly overboard with the ram. But as Harner said, in 3-4 years, I wouldn't be surprised if 12gb is coming up being the next 'standard' for ram in gaming pcs.

    Also, sorry I didn't get round to making a build for you, works kept me pretty busy, and had shit to do when I wasn't at work so...you know. Looks like you got the pricing sorted anyway....

    I am keeping an eye on this thread anyway..because..well it's pretty much the most interesting thread on CD atm.
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    prince of persia is more skill than hack and slash
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    i dont think skill is a genre of game lol
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    of course it is you have seen the crystal maze havnt you?
    he says what next a skill physical mental?


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    Hey, what you guys reckon about this?
    http://www.cyberpowersystem.co.uk/sa...aspx?id=386702

    I know its missing a graphics card, going to use my current one (2gb 6950).

    edit: excuse the hideous looking website btw
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    i dont think skill is a genre of game lol
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    of course it is you have seen the crystal maze havnt you?
    he says what next a skill physical mental?


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