Thread: Google Chrome

Originally Posted by coldfyre

Those that are concerned about the EULA are fucking retarded. That EULA was copied from one of their other EULAs and they forgot to remove that part. Google has already changed it and the change is retroactive, meaning if you downloaded it before the change, THE CHANGE STILL AFFECTS YOU. So if you are bitching about Google owning anything you do in the browser, go fuck yourself you ignorant prick.

You are correct, the EULA is now amended to

"11. Content license from you

11.1 You retain copyright and any other rights you already hold in Content which you submit, post or display on or through, the Services. "

Removing the part where they legally own everything you type, view or upload via their web browser. I was not aware that they had changed it. Just because Google did not "mean" for it to be in there did not change the fact that LEGALLY IN WRITING they owned everything that transmitted through their browser. And that to me was unacceptable, but that stipulation has been removed.

Originally Posted by mtgmaster

Anyone else using Googles new browser? I love it so far, it's fast as fuck. The only bad thing about it is the lack of plugins, especially adblock.

I have a adblocker running on chrome.

Download privoxy (http://www.privoxy.org/)
In Google Chrome click the wrench icon, go to options, under the hood, change proxy settings, LAN Settings.
Check the "Use proxy server for your LAN"
Put it proxy address 127.0.0.1 port 8118

Restart computer and open chrome.

I tried it, it didn't work. Might have been because I never restarted.

edit: Works now, well slow though.

I didn't find it much faster than ff to honest. But I may switch over soon if it really does become superior.

Anyone use it with internal websites? Firefox is great with loading internal stuff, like network monitoring pages and Webmin, etc.

I was loving it and I switched over to linux and went to download it but to my surprise it is not available for linux. Fuck you google.

Glad to see CD is back, but personally, I haven't tried Google Chrome, I've used firefox for a long time, don't think I would want to make the transition, what does everyone think about it in comparison to FF?

It's so much faster than firefox and I haven't had any crashing issues. Far outweighs not having adblock

i have to say, i'm not enticed to try chrome yet. i'll wait for a bit and see because ff is supposed to get some new features in 3.1. i don't know how long thats going to take, but i've got time.

Originally Posted by Harner

Anyone use it with internal websites? Firefox is great with loading internal stuff, like network monitoring pages and Webmin, etc.

I've got local phpmyadmin set as an application that I can launch from the quicklaunch bar. Awesome.

Webmin > phpMyAdmin

Originally Posted by Harner

Webmin > phpMyAdmin

what?

you're comparing apples to oranges.


webmin is for managing a server, phpmyadmin is for managing mysql. While the mysql module of webmin can do limited mysql management, it's nowhere near as good as what phpmyadmin can do.



Back on track, I'm using chrome right now, because Firefox is a memory hog. However I really miss my mouse gestures

The MySQL module of Webmin is fantastic. I can do everything I need to do with Webmin as far as MySQL goes, without installing phpMyAdmin. That is why Webmin > phpMyAdmin



Create users, add permissions, create data within a db, and much more. The last time I used phpMyAdmin, that was pretty much it as well.

Originally Posted by Harner

The MySQL module of Webmin is fantastic. I can do everything I need to do with Webmin as far as MySQL goes, without installing phpMyAdmin. That is why Webmin > phpMyAdmin



Create users, add permissions, create data within a db, and much more. The last time I used phpMyAdmin, that was pretty much it as well.

Like I said, it's fine for doing basic functions.

I downloaded and used it for a bit. I like it but it hangs for a few seconds just a bit too often for my liking.

I use phpMyAdmin because it comes with the xampp web server package thing I have installed. It does everything I need and I'm used to it.

Chrome only hangs for me every now and again and only on the one tab. Firefox does it all the time and crashes the whole browser, probably because my PC sucks and has like 20 odd programs running at once. Chrome seems to handle it a lot better, though.

I'm using Chrome, I fucking lovvvee it. It's so fast, I didn't really use any extensions in firefox, so there is no reason for me to not use Chrome.

I love how it sandboxes all the tabs into its own process.

I find myself going back to firefox constantly because it has all my saved passwords.

Can't you import the saved passwords from FF to Chrome?

Originally Posted by DaiTengu

I find myself going back to firefox constantly because it has all my saved passwords.

Yeah, this was a problem for me at first because I couldn't remember half of mine. But once I got over that hump, Chrome saved them all again anyway so it's fine now.

I imported my saved passwords just fine.

Originally Posted by solecistic

I just typed a 5 paragraph post about Google, but because CD is new and I forgot to check "remember me," I lost the post.

I will sum up.

1) Google is not evil.
2) Google is not evil.
3) Conspiracy theorists always question corporations or single entities with large amounts of power (as they should).
4) In this case, Google is not doing anything so shady that we must shun them.
5) Google treats their employees better than almost any other corporation in the USA.
6) Google is committed to maintaining the privacy of their users.
7) Chrome is fast, efficient, sleek, and precisely what I want in a browser. I haven't looked back since the release of the beta.
8) Google is not evil.

Not to mention from a management and corporate philosophy perspective they are leaps and bounds ahead of what just about every company but IBM is doing.

The problem with people who aren't switching to Google Chrome (or, more importantly, who are shunning Chrome and its advances) is that they aren't grasping its purpose. Chrome is effectively an OS in competition with Windows, not a browser in competition with Firefox. Chrome is built as a platform for internet applications (which are the next killer app not named Zoints!) In releasing Chrome, Google has forced IE and Firefox to change their philosophy on the browser. Google is forcing the market to focus on desktop-app stability and speed so that users can begin using its internet apps in direct competition to products like MS Office, Lotus Notes, Photoshop, and the like. They're taking one out of IBM's play book in that they are willing to use open source agreements to establish a standard and then be the foremost product to take advantage of the standard once its set. They're letting others build the market for them, and then planning to release the best product in the market once it's there.

As mobile networks are getting increasingly fast, you can expect phones in coming years to be running off a product similar to Chrome because it's more efficient to leave the processing power in a Google cloud and improve battery life and speed by letting the speed of the network be the constraint, not the speed of the device.

Chrome is a genius idea even if the project dies next week. Microsoft and Mozilla have already released plans to compete with it based on the tab divisions (which means it's almost ready for corporate introduction--right now Google Docs is lost on the corporate market because you can't afford to lose a 20-page business proposal because PerezHilton locked up your Firefox and crashed it.)

What I got from that, Atmosfear, was:

Fuck PerezHilton.

Perez Hilton hasn't actually crashed Chrome for me yet.

The VLC Plug-in, however, is another story entirely.

Originally Posted by Atmosfear

Not to mention from a management and corporate philosophy perspective they are leaps and bounds ahead of what just about every company but IBM is doing.

The problem with people who aren't switching to Google Chrome (or, more importantly, who are shunning Chrome and its advances) is that they aren't grasping its purpose. Chrome is effectively an OS in competition with Windows, not a browser in competition with Firefox. Chrome is built as a platform for internet applications (which are the next killer app not named Zoints!) In releasing Chrome, Google has forced IE and Firefox to change their philosophy on the browser. Google is forcing the market to focus on desktop-app stability and speed so that users can begin using its internet apps in direct competition to products like MS Office, Lotus Notes, Photoshop, and the like. They're taking one out of IBM's play book in that they are willing to use open source agreements to establish a standard and then be the foremost product to take advantage of the standard once its set. They're letting others build the market for them, and then planning to release the best product in the market once it's there.

As mobile networks are getting increasingly fast, you can expect phones in coming years to be running off a product similar to Chrome because it's more efficient to leave the processing power in a Google cloud and improve battery life and speed by letting the speed of the network be the constraint, not the speed of the device.

Chrome is a genius idea even if the project dies next week. Microsoft and Mozilla have already released plans to compete with it based on the tab divisions (which means it's almost ready for corporate introduction--right now Google Docs is lost on the corporate market because you can't afford to lose a 20-page business proposal because PerezHilton locked up your Firefox and crashed it.)

yeah its great that chrome is adapting to using the increased amount of resources on todays computers but chrome is a web browser not an os. until isps stop being huge babies about bandwidth and limits then large applications are going to stay on your computer.

also tons of places use google docs (large universities, businesses) and there is an auto/manual save feature so i think you dont know what you are talking about

also stop saying that its amazingly fast its just webkit

Google Docs has less than half a million users. What the fuck are you talking about?

Bandwidth? Are you fucking kidding me? Compare the costs of bandwidth today to the cost of bandwidth just 5 or 10 years ago. It's an astronomical drop in cost (considering 5 years ago the majority of internet users were still using dial-up.) Consider also the vast increase in speeds offered on mobile networks for, again, relatively low cost (I can get internet at roughly dial-up speed on my cell phone for $25 a month.)

While Chrome and next-gen browsers aren't OS' in a proper sense of the word, they seek to replace their function. If you're using a browser to run apps traditionally reserved for the desktop/OS to run, then the browser has effectively replaced the OS. Google can attack Windows by shifting the design philosophy from desktop-based computing to browser-based computing.

Consider, as well, that this is significantly shifting the demand for computer power from the user to the provider. Imagine having a full desktop suite available on your phone because Google can host it on their cloud instead of having your phone use battery-intensive, complex, high-processing power-demanding processes. It's right around the corner. Google Chrome may not be the browser that ends up doing it, but as long as it ends up happening, Google will be in perfect position to grab the majority of market share.

Originally Posted by Atmosfear

Google Docs has less than half a million users. What the fuck are you talking about?

Bandwidth? Are you fucking kidding me? Compare the costs of bandwidth today to the cost of bandwidth just 5 or 10 years ago. It's an astronomical drop in cost (considering 5 years ago the majority of internet users were still using dial-up.) Consider also the vast increase in speeds offered on mobile networks for, again, relatively low cost (I can get internet at roughly dial-up speed on my cell phone for $25 a month.)

While Chrome and next-gen browsers aren't OS' in a proper sense of the word, they seek to replace their function. If you're using a browser to run apps traditionally reserved for the desktop/OS to run, then the browser has effectively replaced the OS. Google can attack Windows by shifting the design philosophy from desktop-based computing to browser-based computing.

Consider, as well, that this is significantly shifting the demand for computer power from the user to the provider. Imagine having a full desktop suite available on your phone because Google can host it on their cloud instead of having your phone use battery-intensive, complex, high-processing power-demanding processes. It's right around the corner. Google Chrome may not be the browser that ends up doing it, but as long as it ends up happening, Google will be in perfect position to grab the majority of market share.

That's all good and well, but you do realize that in the US broadband is WAY behind in the world, most other developed country's get much faster speeds at a much cheaper price.

Just a portion of the article:

"The median U.S. download speed now is 1.97 megabits per second — a fraction of the 61 megabits per second enjoyed by consumers in Japan, says the report released Monday. Other speedy countries include South Korea (median 45 megabits), France (17 megabits) and Canada (7 megabits).

"We have pathetic speeds compared to the rest of the world," CWA President Larry Cohen says. "People don't pay attention to the fact that the country that started the commercial Internet is falling woefully behind.""

The rest can be found here: http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/te...t-speeds_N.htm

We are happy as hell to have a 8 or 10 or, holy crap 12 Mbps down speed (a select few have good speeds, like 20Mbps or more). But MOST people have 3Mbps or less. Japan has about 60Mbps and even France has 17Mbps... FRANCE

We are way behind on our infrastructure.

HOLY SHIT DID YOU JUST MAKE MY POINT FOR ME?

I THINK YOU JUST MADE MY POINT FOR ME!

LET ME DOUBLE CHECK... YEP YOU DID IT.

Just like you said... bandwidth is increasingly cheap while on-board processing power in all types of devices is at an increasing premium. It doesn't matter if one market is behind (the US), because there is plenty of other market share to be had.

Jesus Christ I get that you are a geek but this is about the bottom line not about feeling better about a good browser.

Originally Posted by Atmosfear

Bandwidth? Are you fucking kidding me? Compare the costs of bandwidth today to the cost of bandwidth just 5 or 10 years ago. It's an astronomical drop in cost (considering 5 years ago the majority of internet users were still using dial-up.)

The point I was trying to get at was this statement of yours... even though it is good that more people have gotten on in the past 5 or so years, we are still god-awful in terms of connection speed, and it is not getting much better, sure... MORE people are getting on but we do not have the infrastructure to support 20Gbps internet for everyone, let alone 60.

Bandwidth is getting cheaper, but it is still WAY too expensive for what we got is what I am saying.

20gbps? Wow, that's ridiculous.

Originally Posted by ephekt

Source? Broadband has been pretty widespread for more than 5 years, provided you don't live in the middle of the woods, that is.

http://www.websiteoptimization.com/bw/0312/

No it hasn't, fuck off you're retarded.

Originally Posted by ephekt

Source? Broadband has been pretty widespread for more than 5 years, provided you don't live in the middle of the woods, that is.


Wait, who mentioned Gbs? I thought we were talking about Mbs? It's perfectly possible to provide home users with that bandwidth and beyond today; infrastructure is there, it's the last mile that's missing in most places. Expecting anything beyond 1Gb to the home anywhere in the next 10 years is simply ignorant though, considering that most Tier2/3s only have oc48 backbones.

Sorry... meant 20Mbps instead of 20Gbps in my previous post.

Originally Posted by Atmosfear

http://www.websiteoptimization.com/bw/0312/

No it hasn't, fuck off you're retarded.

2003

try this one http://www.websiteoptimization.com/bw/0807/

Originally Posted by pon\

2003

try this one http://www.websiteoptimization.com/bw/0807/

lol i was going to say, that other report is from 03.

Google consistently denies access to its users in China. Evil? Not entirely, but against philosophy? Yes.

But I guess in the end, some Google is better than no Google.

Originally Posted by TheOriginalGrumpySpy

Google consistently denies access to its users in China. Evil? Not entirely, but against philosophy? Yes.

But I guess in the end, some Google is better than no Google.

You're right, Google should totally give the Chinese government the middle finger. I mean, if anyone can do it, it would be Google, right?