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    It's going to be my 21st this year and I will finally be able to buy myself a handgun. Since it will be my first handgun in my name I wanted to make it a good one, I decided to buy a H&K USP. I just wanted to know if anyone has one and what type you'd suggest to buy(there are like 10 different makes). My original choice is a regular USP 40 S&W, but I love all the different types. I also live in California so the tactical is out of the question(our pussy state don't take kindly to threaded barrels). Also, is it easy to clean and take apart?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nick2.1 View Post
    It's going to be my 21st this year and I will finally be able to buy myself a handgun. Since it will be my first handgun in my name I wanted to make it a good one, I decided to buy a H&K USP. I just wanted to know if anyone has one and what type you'd suggest to buy(there are like 10 different makes). My original choice is a regular USP 40 S&W, but I love all the different types. I also live in California so the tactical is out of the question(our pussy state don't take kindly to threaded barrels). Also, is it easy to clean and take apart?
    I've never owned one, but I have a friend who does (9mm Compact model), and I don't think takedown/cleaning is particularly tricky. There may seem like a lot of different variants, but actually it's pretty simple: The gun is available in three different calibers (9mm Parabellum, .40 S&W, and .45 ACP), and several different frame/slide configurations, the only two that are probably of interest to you being the standard and the Compact (the others all either have threaded barrels, or are long-barreled models designed for competitive shooting). So you only have to choose caliber, and whether you want full-sized or compact. It sounds like you're already settled on caliber, so all you have to do is choose frame size. Basically, the full-sized will be slightly easier to shoot accurately with, because it will have as slightly longer sight radius; it will also have slightly lighter recoil. The compact will be somewhat easier to conceal (not sure how much of an issue that is for you). Either way, it's a good gun.

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    Never owned one. But H&K makes some great pistols from what Ive heard.
    For the most part, all pistld can be taken apart easily. I can take all of mine apart and put them back together un less than 40 seconds. except for my Buckmark because I have a scope mount on the top.
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    I have never owned one myself, but can vouch for their great reputation and the fact that an HK pistol (the Mk23 SOCOM) was adopted for use by US Special Operations forces. As for the takedown, it is easy. I had a co-worker that took the takedown procedure a step or three too far and ended up with spare hammer parts. Using the parts diagram in the manual, I was able to reassemble his USP in only a few minutes, having never handled one prior.

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    If you have the cash and you are set on getting an H&K, Id say go with the Mk23. Its a reliable gun, AND its a .45 ACP. If I were you Id go with something in .45. I have a .40, a .45, and a 9mm. The .45 has some serious power. I hit the round bottom part of a fire extinguisher that was laying on top of a bucket from 75 yards. The fire extinguisher went about 8 feet back, and the bucket it was on flipped over.

    My .45ACP is a Springfield XD45 Tactical Model (5in barrel), and the .40 S&W is a Taurus PT100 also with a 5 in barrel.

    Dont get me wrong, I love my .40. Its the gun I keep in my car for self defense (mainly because it costs less so I wont be AS mad if it were to get stolen).

    A .45 is just fun to shoot.

    Also, Id look as some 1911 variants. They come in different calibers, but the standard is .45. And they are legal in Cali because most only hold 7 or 8 rounds. Kimber, Para, Colt, & Springfield make some great ones.
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    Gah, the Mk.23 is a huge beast. Get a USP. Much less awkward and enormous.

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    My XD is huge. Its not my conceal piece, so it really doesnt matter.
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    An XD is almost exactly as big as a USP full-size (in fact the grip on the USP is a bit fatter, and the USP is also a bit longer). The Mk.23 is significantly bigger than either of them. It's wider and has a larger grip circumference, it's an inch or two longer than full-size XD, and it's heavy as hell (50-some ounces with a full mag, as opposed to 40 ounces, at most, for a fully loaded XD). Trust me, the Mk.23 is a monster. It's not even about concealment; it's just awkward. IMO, of course. If the OP doesn't mind a huge pistol, he could go with a Mk.23 I suppose. I just see no reason to. The USP has all the advantages of a Mk.23 and is a lot less awkward.
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    The grip on my XD is actually pretty thin. Its thinner than my Taurus .40, and it holds 13 .45 rounds where the .40 only holds 11. The grip is a little longer though, so thats where it makes up for it.

    Have you ever held a Desert Eagle? Biggest semi automatic pistol Ive ever handled. lol Now THAT is a monster.
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    I don't know if we have any Mk.23s in California, im pretty sure they come standard with a threaded barrel, and that is a BIG no no down here in SoCal. Unless there are non-threaded barrel variants. I have a couple .45s that my grandfather owned(Including his 2 star general 1911), though they are in my fathers name, so I know the power of a .45 well enough. I'd just thought of getting a 40 S&W to try it out.

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    .40 S&W are good rounds. Some people just done see the need for a cartridge between 9MM and .45

    Something else to consider if you are looking for a .40 is a pistol in 10 MM. It is actually where the .40 came from. The .40 is a shortened 10MM casing.
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    10mm 1911s are a lot of fun.

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    I'll probably end up with the .45 just to have another .45 and be able to destroy things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nick2.1 View Post
    I'll probably end up with the .45 just to have another .45 and be able to destroy things.
    This is hard to argue with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syme View Post
    10mm 1911s are a lot of fun.
    Ive never shot a 10MM 1911, but Ive shot my grandfathers Glock 20 and his S&W 1086. Both 10MM. 10MM is a fun round to shoot.

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    This is hard to argue with.
    He does have a good point.

    Ever shot a cinder block with a .45 round? Its fun.
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    Never shot a cinder block with one...but I did shoot a small propane tank that was covered is burning lighter fluid soaked toilet paper with a .45. I'm sure it was as fun if not more.

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