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    Actually, as urban as the US is, very little would have to happen for SHTF. Mostly it is all macho fantasizing in my opinion.

    That said, assuming the big earthquake hits where I live the best SHTF tools are what is most common.

    - 30-06 or 308 scoped rifle for hunting, real defense
    - 12 gauge Remington 870 with a variety of chokes, different barrels, for hunting and defense.
    - 20 gauge shotgun or .22 rifle for majority of hunting
    - Whatever assortment of 9mm handguns you want
    - one fiskars axe
    - one mulsurp multipurpose digging tool
    - one fine skinning knife
    - one large defense / skinning knife
    - water bottles and can-openers
    - fishing line and hooks
    - diesel fuel, seed, chickens, goats.
    - some solar panels to get the radio working for news, or a boatload of batteries

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    Quote Originally Posted by katorga View Post
    Actually, as urban as the US is, very little would have to happen for SHTF. Mostly it is all macho fantasizing in my opinion.

    That said, assuming the big earthquake hits where I live the best SHTF tools are what is most common.

    - 30-06 or 308 scoped rifle for hunting, real defense
    - 12 gauge Remington 870 with a variety of chokes, different barrels, for hunting and defense.
    - 20 gauge shotgun or .22 rifle for majority of hunting
    - Whatever assortment of 9mm handguns you want
    - one fiskars axe
    - one mulsurp multipurpose digging tool
    - one fine skinning knife
    - one large defense / skinning knife
    - water bottles and can-openers
    - fishing line and hooks
    - diesel fuel, seed, chickens, goats.
    - some solar panels to get the radio working for news, or a boatload of batteries
    Pretty useful stuff. We need to get prepared for natural disasters..In earthquake pron areas we must have above mentioned SHTF tools.

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