Do you think the Kershaw Storm II is a good knife?
Do you think the Kershaw Storm II is a good knife?
Well, I have never handled or used one. But it looks good for the price. 13C26 is a mid-range stainless steel that's become popular recently, it is supposedly formulated with edge retention as it's #1 priority, which is nice. It's about in the same range as 440A (i.e., not top-shelf, but decent) but it has a bit more carbon in solution which means it can be hardened a bit more. Exactly how much Kershaw hardens theirs, I can't say. Aside from the steel, the blade profile looks pretty wicked for cutting (a lot like the Commander's, actually). I'd say it would be a good buy overall.
who needs a knife when you could have...
...DA CLAMPS!!
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Originally Posted by Think
A knife, like many things, is intuitive to human nature.
Advanced footwork/ technique may not be, but anyone can seriously injure another without having the knife taken away.
Contrary to popular belief, muggers do not have the ability to use "the force" to pull a weapon out of your hands and "use it on _____ [insert g/f, oneself]"
Also, I'm going to go ahead and come out and say it:
SOG knives are shit.
The owner is simply an artist who had the brains to start a knife company. Being an artist, his designs appeal to people.
Get a model designed by a real maker.
Actually, crime statistics do show that attempting to defend yourself with a knife results in a quite high likelihood of being injured, much higher than other methods of self-defense. Yes, it IS quite easy to get stabbed with your own knife when attempting to defend yourself with it. It's pretty hard to get shot with your own gun or sprayed with your own pepper spray (assuming you know how to use the latter), but it's not very hard at all to get stabbed with your own knife.
Syme, give me a break.
Those studies include gang bangers as participants, just like all of the other "don't defend yourself, you'll just get hurt" studies.
it's not about 'don't defend yourself' it's about 'don't use tools you don't know how to'
a situation where you're trying to defend yourself can escalate from being an unarmed scuffle to you and your assailant wrestling over your knife, and if I was in the latter situation, I would wish I was in the former. It's even worse if both of you have knives - neither of you is walking away without a serious injury if you end up fighting, even if you're trained.
That's the argument I'm trying to present.
People were killing, and defending themselves well enough before the invention of training and certification.
The use of a knife in a violent situation is not rocket science.
The footwork, grip techniques, and other minutia of the various martial arts associated with "knives" is, however, very complicated.
I'm not going to waste my time arguing with every person who wants to insist that self-defense with a knife isn't dangerous (the internet is full of such people). I've already explained why it's a bad idea, if the only counterargument you can offer is "dude it's not rocket science" then you are obviously not examining the issue intelligently. Again, pretty much all reputable self-defense instructors will tell you the same thing: Trying to use a knife for self-defense, unless you are a proficient knife-fighter, is a bad idea in every way. You can accept that fact or ignore it. I find that the people who want to ignore it are usually immature or hot-headed individuals who like the idea of knife self-defense on an emotional level and aren't willing to let the facts intrude.
As for the studies I mentioned, no, they do not "include gang bangers as participants". You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. They are statistical studies based on UCR figures or other government data, so they don't have any "participants" at all.
Last edited by Syme; 10-31-2009 at 05:38 PM.
Everyone in the UK needs a knife.
[Last.FM]
Unless there are knife duels among the common citizens of America, then I don't see how they wouldn't include unsavory individuals like "gang bangers" to compile that amount of data.
TL;DR
When did I say it wasn't dangerous?
I just said it doesn't take a black belt to know that if you cut at someone's wrists, they are going to let you go either from pain, or on the off chance that you sever some tendons on the back of their hands.
It also doesn't take a reputable self defense expert to know that if you cut at someone's neck, it is not going to be conducive to being the victim of any further assaults from that person.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0930121512.htm
Studies such as this do indeed include criminals and the goings on in their lives as sources of data. They aren't participants, per se, but I've never heard of any kind of epidemiological study that had participants in the pure sense of the word.
So, since I've elaborated the why of my argument, let's see you elaborate on your side.
How exactly, does an assailant take a knife from an individual?
Isn't taking a knife from someone using it as a weapon generally considered to be a difficult thing best left to "reputable self defense instructors?"
This again falls under the fallacy that all muggers/assailants are magical jedi knights who will disarm you with the blink of an eye.
If they don't take the knife, how do they manage to stab you with it?
Now, please, elaborate on how an assailant injures an able bodied person who is using a knife as a weapon.
EDIT: I should state that I do not carry a knife for self defense.
That's what my 1911 is for.
Last edited by DAVIDSDIVAD; 10-31-2009 at 10:15 PM.
i'm just going to point out that, with training, you could disarm an assailant armed with a knife. with training, you could also prevent yourself from being disarmed in the case of a scuffle, regardless of whether the assailant has training or experience.
also, if the two of you are fighting over a knife, who knows who will be stabbed? someone will be, and it's just as likely to be you as him.
coq is right, an attacker doesn't have to be a "jedi master who will disarm you in the blink of an eye" in order for you to get stabbed with your own knife. I'm not saying that the attacker will necessarily take your knife away from you, I'm saying that in a physical altercation with a knife involved it's quite difficult for an untrained person to control the situation. Someone is going to be stabbed and it could just as easily be you as it could be your attacker.
Just to be clear, are you advocating drawing a knife on an unarmed assailant? Because completely irrespective of whether that puts you in danger of being stabbed with your own knife, that puts you in considerable danger of getting into severe legal trouble and going to jail for quite some time.
LOL, I didn't ask you to quote Coq.
I asked for a reasonable scenario outside of the realm of Steven Seagull movies where a person could take away a knife from a lay person with ease, and do so with the deliberate action and confidenc necessary to get anything more than a handful of hand, or sharp and pokey metal.
Think about it in a realistic fashion, from the assailants P.O.V. :
You are squared off against an able bodied person holding a knife.
They are mobile, and so are you.
What do you grab to get the knife away?
The handle? It's inside of their grip.
Their wrist? You'd better be faster than Bruce Lee on Redbull.
The blade? yeah, but you'd better throw some ninja stars first.
No, I'm advocating drawing my knife in a " would you be so kind as to get away from me so that I might produce a pistol" fashion.
Besides, there are waaaayyy too many variables to consider before making a statement like that.
Ability, Oppurtunity and Jeopardy =/= weapon. So, yes, if I believed an assailant had the capability to kill me, and oppurtunity to kill me, I would produce a weapon to stop them.
So, before I was shouted down by cries of "DONT USE A WEAPON, THEY'LL ONLY USE IT ON YOUUUUU", let's go back and review my original point(s.)
A.) You don't need training to seriously hurt an attacker with a knife.
B.) You do need training to have perfect footwork, timing, and such
Last edited by DAVIDSDIVAD; 11-01-2009 at 02:06 AM.
wow fuck you are a moron just shut up
fuck
to fight the powa
the billy club-armed powa
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EDIT: It sounds like, in order for you to accept that an untrained knife user is at high risk of being stabbed in an physical altercation, you are insisting that someone describe to you in explicit detail the exact physical movements that would have to occur for this to happen. This is why people ITT think you're a moron, in case you were wondering.
Last edited by Syme; 11-01-2009 at 12:36 PM.
THIS IS WHY WE CAN'T HAVE NICE THINGS
Anyway, I digress and agree that it's likely that the individuals involved in a fight involving a knife will likely be stabbed and or cut. That's how sharp and pokey things work.
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Last edited by DAVIDSDIVAD; 11-01-2009 at 07:32 PM.
The pool video was ellesdees not solecstics.
probably the same way unarmed fighters can break arms from an overextended punch. you don't really need to be spectactular to grab an arm and twist, or squeeze a pressure point and make a hand release a knife, but you need to be good. training makes these moves reflexes, so you can react in proper timing to such manoevres. It's not without risk, certainly, but you don't need to grab the knife to disarm them - you just need to get control of their weapon arm.
A.) strictly speaking, no - the rule of 'pointy end goes in bad guy' is pretty simple in nature, but it's harder than you think to stab someone who is prepared for you, regardless of whether or not they have training.
B.) well, yes, this goes without saying, but you realize these things minimize danger for you so why are you arguing against them?
the issue isn't 'don't use a weapon' it's 'don't use a weapon you aren't trained to use'
There's the funny part.
I never said "LOL YOU DUN NEED TRAINING"
I did say that pulling a knife in a life or death scenario does not mean that the knife will automatically rocket into your gut.
I never said "knife fight"
A.) I trained a few times with a little Philipino guy who went to church with my parents. He is one bad dude, but unless you move the stab in a straight line, it's hard as shit to catch.
It's even harder to keep someone who you are choking/ grabbing/ etc.. from hurting yer wrists.
B.) I'm not.
Let me re emphasize my points.
1.)
Knife fighting is best left to Steven Seagulls in submarines.
2.)
Knives are good at getting someone away from you in a hurry
coq you bastard
i think i just realized this is a mrdie-esque person i am arguing with, so i'm just going to stop now
Problem, Coqauvin?
in b4 syme
Yeah but no-one said this would happen. What was said is that an untrained person pulling a knife in a physical altercation is at high risk of making the situation worse and/or getting injured with their own knife, so if someone is looking for a self-defense weapon to carry around with them, a knife is not a very good choice.
You are all over the place with whatever point you are trying to make, and I don't understand why on earth you would feel compelled to say what you just said.
I see what you're saying, Syme.
I agree.
I think Crunker should go with the Ken Onion design.
I just got a KA BAR fighting/utility knife. It came with a leather sheath, but I'm getting a Kydex sheath, Boker Tek Lock, and a CRKT MercHarness just because.
For more practical reasons, I'm also getting a Buck 199. They should all hopefully be here by Friday.
So far, I haven't exactly used the KA Bar yet, but it's certainly a well-built tool.
I've had a KA-BAR for years. Killed few ducks and rabbits with it too. They are awesome knifes. Not exactly meant for carrying on a normal basis though.
This is embarrassing... but how does one close a framelock knife? >>
lol
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...n/100_1359.jpg
A part of the frame is kinda spring loaded, so it goes under the blade so it cant close, just push it back out so it clears the blade, and close it.
lol i forgot about this thread
oh dear.
i hope you're planning on using that knife for self-defense.
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I wanted to make sure I was doing it properly.
One handed usually. I think for safety you should use two hands but most of the time my other hand is holding something else.
I do it one handed. Even with my assisted open.
i personally use my penis to close frame lock knives
I got my allowance but I spent it all on ice cream
I do it no handed
With your double, no triple, no quadruple fold katana deagle?
Deagle brand deagle
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