Thread: Need a Knife

coq is right, an attacker doesn't have to be a "jedi master who will disarm you in the blink of an eye" in order for you to get stabbed with your own knife. I'm not saying that the attacker will necessarily take your knife away from you, I'm saying that in a physical altercation with a knife involved it's quite difficult for an untrained person to control the situation. Someone is going to be stabbed and it could just as easily be you as it could be your attacker.

Just to be clear, are you advocating drawing a knife on an unarmed assailant? Because completely irrespective of whether that puts you in danger of being stabbed with your own knife, that puts you in considerable danger of getting into severe legal trouble and going to jail for quite some time.

Originally Posted by DAVIDSDIVAD

You are squared off against an able bodied person holding a knife.
They are mobile, and so are you.
What do you grab to get the knife away?

probably the same way unarmed fighters can break arms from an overextended punch. you don't really need to be spectactular to grab an arm and twist, or squeeze a pressure point and make a hand release a knife, but you need to be good. training makes these moves reflexes, so you can react in proper timing to such manoevres. It's not without risk, certainly, but you don't need to grab the knife to disarm them - you just need to get control of their weapon arm.

Originally Posted by DAVIDSDIVAD

So, before I was shouted down by cries of "DONT USE A WEAPON, THEY'LL ONLY USE IT ON YOUUUUU", let's go back and review my original point(s.)
A.) You don't need training to seriously hurt an attacker with a knife.
B.) You do need training to have perfect footwork, timing, and such

A.) strictly speaking, no - the rule of 'pointy end goes in bad guy' is pretty simple in nature, but it's harder than you think to stab someone who is prepared for you, regardless of whether or not they have training.
B.) well, yes, this goes without saying, but you realize these things minimize danger for you so why are you arguing against them?

the issue isn't 'don't use a weapon' it's 'don't use a weapon you aren't trained to use'

Originally Posted by coqauvin

probably the same way unarmed fighters can break arms from an overextended punch. you don't really need to be spectactular to grab an arm and twist, or squeeze a pressure point and make a hand release a knife, but you need to be good. training makes these moves reflexes, so you can react in proper timing to such manoevres. It's not without risk, certainly, but you don't need to grab the knife to disarm them - you just need to get control of their weapon arm.




A.) strictly speaking, no - the rule of 'pointy end goes in bad guy' is pretty simple in nature, but it's harder than you think to stab someone who is prepared for you, regardless of whether or not they have training.
B.) well, yes, this goes without saying, but you realize these things minimize danger for you so why are you arguing against them?

the issue isn't 'don't use a weapon' it's 'don't use a weapon you aren't trained to use'

There's the funny part.

I never said "LOL YOU DUN NEED TRAINING"

I did say that pulling a knife in a life or death scenario does not mean that the knife will automatically rocket into your gut.
I never said "knife fight"


A.) I trained a few times with a little Philipino guy who went to church with my parents. He is one bad dude, but unless you move the stab in a straight line, it's hard as shit to catch.

It's even harder to keep someone who you are choking/ grabbing/ etc.. from hurting yer wrists.


B.) I'm not.



Let me re emphasize my points.

1.)
Knife fighting is best left to Steven Seagulls in submarines.

2.)
Knives are good at getting someone away from you in a hurry