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    Yeah, it's basically a control issue that concerns me. If I went with a lighter load, that would affect its impact energy, though. And when it comes to bears...

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Galt View Post
    Yeah, it's basically a control issue that concerns me. If I went with a lighter load, that would affect its impact energy, though. And when it comes to bears...
    The same will be true of .45 LC, though. The powerful loads are going to recoil more sharply. .45 LC doesn't have some magical properties that allows it to deliver firepower equivalent to a given .44 mag load with lighter recoil, or greater than a given .44 mag load with the same recoil. A .45 LC load of power equal to a given .44 mag load is going to recoil just about as sharply. There's no way to "cheat"; if you want X level of muzzle energy with X bullet weight, you will have to accept X level of recoil to go with it, whether you choose .44 mag or .45 LC (assuming the same gun weight across the board).

    EDIT: Also, honestly, a high-powered can of bear mace is a much more realistic and potentially useful bear defense than a big-bore revolver. Put bells on your pack, follow proper bear safety procedures, carry bear mace if you are still worried, and go have fun out in the woods.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Syme View Post
    Also, honestly, a high-powered can of bear mace is a much more realistic and potentially useful bear defense than a big-bore revolver.
    I've heard this before, many times, but what evidence is there to this point? How would I defeat a skeptic who believes that sheer firepower equals survival?

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    Quote Originally Posted by crunker View Post
    I've heard this before, many times, but what evidence is there to this point? How would I defeat a skeptic who believes that sheer firepower equals survival?
    At a certain point, you have to just be unconcerned about arguing with a person who thinks that carrying a gun is better than carrying bear spray; if that's what they really want to believe, they are going to believe it. It's not like there's some single source that is the "final word" and will automatically defeat any skeptic. Some skeptics are going to refuse to accept anything that doesn't square with the ideas and thus can't be "defeated". But like coq says, most experts on the subject will agree that bear mace is more effective, so your best bet would be to have them talk to such people. Or show them websites like this:

    http://www.absc.usgs.gov/research/br...epperspray.htm

    This is a page on bear spray from the brown bear research section of the United States Geological Survey's Alaska Science Center. It's written by a bear researcher with a Ph.D. in the ASC's Biological Science Office. Scroll down to the part saying "Even if bear pepper spray has effectively thwarted a number of bear attacks, aren’t you better off relying on a gun to do the job?" There, he states that bear spray has a better track record than guns at stopping bear attacks.

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