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    Quote Originally Posted by no_brains_no_worries View Post
    Ha! The average line man has at least fifty pounds on the rugby player, maybe more.
    i didnt name call, i observed. the only factor that football players have on rugby players is their weight, as stated in many posts in this thread on both sides of the argument. hence my comment on overfeeding.

    and the fact that they are angry thugs can be proved by the fact that more football players have been convicted of serious crime than rugby players.

    im not saying ALL football players are criminals, but im also not saying every Rugby player is better than a football player
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    Once again, you're making a fucking retarded generalization across a sport with high specialization. While NFL lineman have considerable weight on your average rugby player, NFL cornerbacks probably give up a few pounds to your average rugby player. You are yet again trying to compare apples to oranges. No one is saying an NFL lineman could be competitive in professional rugby, just as we know that a rugby player couldn't possibly compete with an NFL lineman. You're an idiot if you aren't getting this distinction.

    And no, it can't be proven by any "fact." First of all, show me the evidence that football players are more likely to be convicted of serious crime independent of socioeconomic status, nationality, race, or gender. Then normalize those factors for rugby and football players. Now you have meaningful data. I mean Jesus Christ, America has more serious crime than Britain. If you take a look at any cross-section of American society and compare it, you'll find they commit more crimes because America has more crime, period. Correlation doesn't imply causation.

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    Atmosfear has fallen for the trollbait

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    Yeah

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    It's ok, most rugby fans and all rugby players know the two sports aren't entirely compatible

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    Quote Originally Posted by sailor jack View Post
    aint no football player that could last 5 minutes without a helmet and pads, nevermind 80
    That's just stupid.

    Quote Originally Posted by sailor jack View Post
    exactly, the guy doing the hitting wouldnt have the confidence to tackle without pads. ive played football and rugby and i personally find rugby the most painful and frightening of the two

    and thats why i fucking love it
    You really think that this guy(Brian Dawkins) wouldn't hit someone without pads on?


    The correct answer is that he would kill them.

    Quote Originally Posted by SneeBeezums View Post
    Except for rucking, scrumming, and tackling...

    Physical contact is huge in rugby. Yeah theoretically you can play without tackling and the same could be said about football then.

    And about the arguement with pads. I don't know how many times our rugby team has tried recruiting some meaty looking guys that played football and they said they wouldn't play because you tackle/get tackled without pads. Pussies. Our best tackler on our team is a guy that's like 5' 5" and a probably like 130lb max.
    I love how you are comparing professional football players to pussies you know who just played football a couple times.

    Quote Originally Posted by SneeBeezums View Post
    ^ How many of those guys are going to run full force and tackle a person without pads though?

    I was thinking about this more last night. The reason you don't see (very often) bone crushing hits in rugby is because it is impracticable. You can easily hurt yourself and the other player. Not to mention that the point of the game is to turn the ball over. This isn't football where you tackle the guy and the play is over. You put everything you got into a tackle but fail to wrap him up and just knock him over he can easily pitch it off to one of his teammates or get up and run.

    As for the argument about lineman. Yeah their athletic. But how often do you see them make a huge run and not be winded. They wouldn't be able to play a full match of rugby. They need to have insane about of endurance to be able to do all of that running and hitting. And for their size, I just can't see that happening. And bigger doesn't necessarily mean better on a rugby pitch either.
    Why the fuck are you only comparing linemen, a very specialized position, to all kinds of rugby players. They are not meant to have enough endurance to sprint all game, that's why they are so fucking big. You guys just compare linemen because they are huge and have a bunch of fat on them so naturally they don't look nearly as athletic or anything. Those linemen will fuck shit up, they are extremely powerful and surprisingly fast. Why aren't you guys looking at db's, hb's, and other positions? They are a lot smaller, can run all day and still dish out huge hits on people as well as catch the ball and break the shit out of people.


    Quote Originally Posted by sailor jack View Post
    rugby players dont want to sacrifice their futures, they just have the common sense to tackle properly, so therefore dont need a helmet.

    any big lump of a doofus can run at a guy and hit him hard, provided theyre protected with pads and stuff
    no rugby player would go in with his head. and no rugby player longs for scarring. if it comes then fine, i dont mind cuts and bruises

    and the fact that the football players have worse injuries (despite having protection) just prooves they are idiots who cant tackle
    If football players didn't have pads then either the game would be different or people would die or get seriously injured frequently.

    Quote Originally Posted by sailor jack View Post
    also, many rugby players are identified by scouts whilst playing for a university team, much like American footballers, proving they at least have the capability to enter further education
    the difference is, rugby players dont get sports scolarships to go to college, where they just play for the team and go to classes just to say they are in the university.

    Rugby players are intellegent, respectable proffessionals, who play a full contact sport to blow off steam
    Football players are overfed lumps of angry thugs that like to run into other overfed lumps of angry thugs

    Thats idiocy.
    That's idiocy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Killuminati View Post
    I love how you are comparing professional football players to pussies you know who just played football a couple times.
    I was talking about kids that played in High School who we were trying to recruit for a college level of rugby. I never implied that professionals were pussies.

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    I think, killuminati, that if the NFL took pads out of the game, most proffesionals including Brian Dawkins would not play proffessionally. Sure he'd hit someone without pads, but i doubt he'd keep hitting people for a season. The game would have to be changed to account for the fact that the players would be continuously on and off a stretcher after hitting or being hit.

    in general though, youve all made good arguments that rugby isnt a "better" sport. personally i disagree with those arguments but there we go. There havent been very many, if any, points on why Football is "better" than rugby, which is one of the reasons i started this thread. everybody i have talked to about it can always defend football in comparison to rugby, but ive never really heard any positive points about football over rugby. Its all very well bringing an argument down, but thats useless if you dont have your own. So does anyone have their own?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SneeBeezums View Post
    I was talking about kids that played in High School who we were trying to recruit for a college level of rugby. I never implied that professionals were pussies.
    Then what point were you trying to make?

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    I think, killuminati, that if the NFL took pads out of the game, most proffesionals including Brian Dawkins would not play proffessionally. Sure he'd hit someone without pads, but i doubt he'd keep hitting people for a season. The game would have to be changed to account for the fact that the players would be continuously on and off a stretcher after hitting or being hit.

    in general though, youve all made good arguments that rugby isnt a "better" sport. personally i disagree with those arguments but there we go. There havent been very many, if any, points on why Football is "better" than rugby, which is one of the reasons i started this thread. everybody i have talked to about it can always defend football in comparison to rugby, but ive never really heard any positive points about football over rugby. Its all very well bringing an argument down, but thats useless if you dont have your own. So does anyone have their own?
    I don't think anyone in here was really trying to argue which sport is "better" because they are 2 different sports. They can't be compared like that, it is a matter of personal preference.

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    exactly, which is what i started the thread for.

    but seeing as people have started discussing which is better, im curious as to why you and others have argued against rugby but not for football
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    Whoever negrepped me (oh no, I'm completely distraught), I chose football and rugby because 1) I like both games and 2) they are similar.

    Personally, I think Rugby is much better in many ways. There's more contact, it's a much more flowing game and I find it more physically demanding. I also dislike the spectacle of professional football. I think there is too much pre-game and half time messing, which has made it less of a sport and more of a circus.
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    I will name three players that will destroy at rugby.

    1. Brian Dawkins
    2. Roy Williams
    3. Ray Lewis

    And Sean Taylor would murder if, well, you know...he wasn't murdered.
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    Real men play croquet, I'd like to see a rugby player or an NFL player do that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pepsi View Post
    I will name three players that will destroy at rugby.

    1. Brian Dawkins
    2. Roy Williams
    3. Ray Lewis

    1. Who?
    2. Who?
    3. Who?

    I doubt these guys would destroy anyone in rugby. What makes you thing these three can even mix it with the international rugby players?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Killuminati View Post
    That's just stupid.



    You really think that this guy(Brian Dawkins) wouldn't hit someone without pads on?


    The correct answer is that he would kill them.


    Whats so intimidating about that? I think this Brian Dawkins guy would get owned on a rugby pitch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by benzss View Post
    Rugby league isn't real rugby
    Just because Australia flogged England 52 – 4 in the last rugby league world cup .

    Atmosfear is right in saying that you average football players or rugby players probably wouldn't excel in the other sport, because despite being so similar, they are vastly different. I'm still sticking with the idea that a football player would have a better chance in a rugby league than a rugby player would have at any level of football. In terms of toughness, endurance, and skill required, a well rounded football player probably wouldn't have a problem
    I would go the other way around and say that a rugby league player would have a far better chance playing football than a football player playing rugby league. A rugby league player knows how to catch, pass, defend, attack, kick, think on his toes, etc they are required to be excellent at various skills (not just one) and are expected to play for the whole 80 minute game.

    A football player wouldnt be able to hold a candle in terms of toughness, endurance and skill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by monaroCountry View Post
    I would go the other way around and say that a rugby league player would have a far better chance playing football than a football player playing rugby league. A rugby league player knows how to catch, pass, defend, attack, kick, think on his toes, etc they are required to be excellent at various skills (not just one) and are expected to play for the whole 80 minute game.

    A football player wouldnt be able to hold a candle in terms of toughness, endurance and skill.
    Well that is a wide and not at all confirmable generalization

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    Quote Originally Posted by monaroCountry View Post
    Whats so intimidating about that? I think this Brian Dawkins guy would get owned on a rugby pitch.
    This statement alone shows that your opinion is worthless in this matter. You don't even know who dawkins is and you assume he would get owned in rugby. He would end lives.

    edit: lol I didn't even read that last post you made, you are dumb.

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    Brian Dawkins is an 18-wheeler on legs.

    Enough said.

    And I'm only agreeing with Kill here because of one fact about Dawkins, and Kill knows it. :P
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    Quote Originally Posted by Killuminati View Post
    This statement alone shows that your opinion is worthless in this matter. You don't even know who dawkins is and you assume he would get owned in rugby. He would end lives.

    edit: lol I didn't even read that last post you made, you are dumb.




    In saying that you dont know how good these rugby players are and how skilled they are to think that this Dawkins fella can come in and kill them. These rugby players are some of the best athletes from multiple countries, not just from one.

    Brian Dawkins

    Height: 6 ft 0 in (1.83 m)
    Weight: 210 lb (95 kg)




    Lesley Vainikolo (Winger)
    Height: 6 ft 2 in (1.88 m)
    Weight 17 st 8 lb (112 kg)
    This guy actually qualified for the 1998 World Junior Athletics Championships for sprinting before choosing rugby league as his profession. Lesley is a dual international athlete having represented his country in both rugby league and rugby union.



    Lote Tuqiri
    (Winger)
    Height 191 cm (6 ft 3 in)
    Weight 103 kg (16 st 3 lb)
    A powerhouse winger who went from rugby league to rugby union, is also a dual international rugby star.



    Wendell Sailor (Winger)
    Height 192 cm (6 ft 4 in)
    Weight 106 kg (16 st 10 lb)
    Another powerhouse winger and dual international who played for Australia in both rugby league and rugby union.






    Well that is a wide and not at all confirmable generalization
    Which NFL player is regularly called upon to do the kicking, running the ball, do the catching, defend and tackle, do the passing and do all the trick plays? I selected the three wingers above because as wingers they should be able to kick a ball, catch a long cut out pass, catch a cross field kick and drop punts, do tackles and score tries as well as anyone.

    Can anyone confirm that NFL players would kill a rugby player when both are not wearing paddings? No. Can anyone confirm that deaths would occur every game if NFL players were to take off their paddings? No. Do you have proof that Brian Dawkins, Roy Williams and Ray Lewis can destroy a rugby player? No.

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    If you want to play it that way then you can't say anything either. You have no proof any of the rugby players would be able to compete in football or that any of the football players would be able to compete in rugby. You mention these guys as multi sport athletes or whatever but the best football players were always football players and don't want to leave to do anything else because of the money they make.

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    We all know that American Football is just Rugby for pansies.

    On a funnier note, proper football is far more dangerous than rubgy and american football combined, muhaha. The injuries might not be worse, they just occur much more frequently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gismo View Post
    We all know that American Football is just Rugby for pansies.

    On a funnier note, proper football is far more dangerous than rubgy and american football combined, muhaha. The injuries might not be worse, they just occur much more frequently.
    That's because pretty much every player is a cunt.

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    oh come on.

    football is my favourite of all sports by a long way but with the exeption of about 3 players, all modern footballers are queens
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    Quote Originally Posted by Killuminati View Post
    That's just stupid.



    You really think that this guy(Brian Dawkins) wouldn't hit someone without pads on?


    The correct answer is that he would kill them.


    im pretty sure Sonny Bill Williams would destroy him


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    Yer dumb.

    Just sayin'.
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    I didn't read the entire thread, mostly because both sides keep saying the same thing, and both are fairly retarded.

    I will debunk most of your retarded myths right now.

    On the Rugby side people say:

    1) Rugby players play then entire game without getting tired, football players only play for X amount of time. They aren't really in shape

    This is by far the dumbest idea in the thread. First, Football players have pads on, sprinting with weight on is SHOCKINGLY more tiring than regular sprinting. Also generally rugby player conserve energy during the game, where as football players are expected to sprint and try as hard as possible on every play. These guys get paid millions of dollars to be top-shape athletes, and they are. Even the big guys are extremely quick and agile.

    2) Football players couldn't hit without pads

    They could, they probably wouldn't be as good at it, but they could. What really matters is that Rugby players couldn't tackle football players as affectively too. People with pads generally run harder than people without pads on and lean into the impact instead of bracing for impact. Tackling with/out pads is an entirely different dynamic. It's not the same thing. Stop comparing it before i off myself.

    3) The Haka

    You know why football players don't do this? BECAUSE IT'S EXTREMELY FUCKING GAY.

    Now, For the football side of things. No one arguing for the football side has made a single worthy point.

    The fact of the matter is America isn't as good as rugby because our top-tier athletes don't play rugby. If they did, we would dominate all other countries. We have the best athletes in the world, this is why we always win the medal count at the olympics. There is not denying it.

    You see ladies in gentleman, during the Slavery era in America. We would breed African American like horses. Biggest black guys bang the biggest black ladies to have big black babies. This happened for generations, and this is why we have the NFL.


    Edit: The 2 different sports exist for a reason. They are different. If i grew up in New Zealand I would probably like Rugby more. If you grew up in America, you would enjoy football more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jude View Post
    I didn't read the entire thread, mostly because both sides keep saying the same thing, and both are fairly retarded.

    I will debunk most of your retarded myths right now.

    On the Rugby side people say:

    1) Rugby players play then entire game without getting tired, football players only play for X amount of time. They aren't really in shape

    This is by far the dumbest idea in the thread. First, Football players have pads on, sprinting with weight on is SHOCKINGLY more tiring than regular sprinting. Also generally rugby player conserve energy during the game, where as football players are expected to sprint and try as hard as possible on every play. These guys get paid millions of dollars to be top-shape athletes, and they are. Even the big guys are extremely quick and agile.
    You do realise that rugby players, both league and union play many more minutes of actual footy than american footballers do. Now lets make a generisation, and yes its a generlisation, but its correct.

    A simple test will show that rugby union players play approximately 30-40 minutes of actual football in an 80 minute game. An american footballer will play between 10-20 minutes a game. A rugby league player will play between 50-60 minutes of footy per game. Now using these figures we can see that it goes american football < union < league for endurance. These players have pads on...wow...must REALLY increase their weight and therefore their endurance to wear them. Bullshit. Thats pulling at straws there. Any normal person would realise that most american footballers would not have the endurance to last the fast paced rugby action for 80 whole minutes. Imagine I'm watching a game of american football. We start, the quarter back throws it, someone gets tackled. 10-20 seconds of play. Lets break for a minute. Another play, quarterback throws it, it goes to ground. Oh no. Another 1-2 minute break. These guys get so much time to rest. Anyone who knows the game of league knows that fat DOES NOT HELP YOU AT ALL. You have to be very fit to play the game. In union, fat helps a little but not much.

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    Also generally rugby player conserve energy during the game, where as football players are expected to sprint and try as hard as possible on every play.
    You know what happens to rugby players when they dont play there heart out? They get dropped. They go back to training and the reserve grade and learn to fix their attitude. That comment is just bullshit. American footballers get far more time to rest during their games. Wow they play their ass off for 10-20 minutes a game. These rugby players play their ass off for upwards of an hour.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jude View Post

    2) Football players couldn't hit without pads

    They could, they probably wouldn't be as good at it, but they could. What really matters is that Rugby players couldn't tackle football players as affectively too. People with pads generally run harder than people without pads on and lean into the impact instead of bracing for impact. Tackling with/out pads is an entirely different dynamic. It's not the same thing. Stop comparing it before i off myself.
    Ok, I've already posted, but i decided I wanted to "debunk" every little piece of bullshit you have come up with.

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    Rugby players couldn't tackle football players as affectively too]
    Defence in rugby is all about technique. How do you think a 70-75kg guy like Brett Hodgeson can take down someone like Willie Mason 115kg 195cm. Because they use brilliant technique. How do you take down a guy much bigger than you running at you at speed. Go low, take their legs and fall backwards; most normal people would agree its pretty hard to run without legs. If you don't believe me, ask a paraplegic. So it doesn't matter how big these guys are; being too big will in turn make u slower and you will get smashed in a rugby gang tackle.

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    People with pads generally run harder than people without pads on and lean into the impact instead of bracing for impact.
    Ok. You obviously haven't watched much union or league. In order to not get smashed, the runner has to run their ass off at the line. If you brace for impact, you will get smashed. SMASHED.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jude View Post
    3) The Haka

    You know why football players don't do this? BECAUSE IT'S EXTREMELY FUCKING GAY.
    Thats just racist. It is a cultural dance, a war dance. And despite earlier comments, it is used to intimidate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by monaroCountry View Post
    In saying that you dont know how good these rugby players are and how skilled they are to think that this Dawkins fella can come in and kill them. These rugby players are some of the best athletes from multiple countries, not just from one.

    Brian Dawkins

    Height: 6 ft 0 in (1.83 m)
    Weight: 210 lb (95 kg)




    Lesley Vainikolo (Winger)
    Height: 6 ft 2 in (1.88 m)
    Weight 17 st 8 lb (112 kg)
    This guy actually qualified for the 1998 World Junior Athletics Championships for sprinting before choosing rugby league as his profession. Lesley is a dual international athlete having represented his country in both rugby league and rugby union.



    Lote Tuqiri
    (Winger)
    Height 191 cm (6 ft 3 in)
    Weight 103 kg (16 st 3 lb)
    A powerhouse winger who went from rugby league to rugby union, is also a dual international rugby star.



    Wendell Sailor (Winger)
    Height 192 cm (6 ft 4 in)
    Weight 106 kg (16 st 10 lb)
    Another powerhouse winger and dual international who played for Australia in both rugby league and rugby union.








    Which NFL player is regularly called upon to do the kicking, running the ball, do the catching, defend and tackle, do the passing and do all the trick plays? I selected the three wingers above because as wingers they should be able to kick a ball, catch a long cut out pass, catch a cross field kick and drop punts, do tackles and score tries as well as anyone.

    Can anyone confirm that NFL players would kill a rugby player when both are not wearing paddings? No. Can anyone confirm that deaths would occur every game if NFL players were to take off their paddings? No. Do you have proof that Brian Dawkins, Roy Williams and Ray Lewis can destroy a rugby player? No.
    Brian Dawkins is only one example -- there are dozens of guys in the NFL who are bigger and just as fast.

    Brandon Jacobs
    193 cm
    18 st 13 lbs


    Mario Williams
    200 cm
    21 st
    7.6% bodyfat


    Julius Peppers
    200 cm
    20st 3 lbs
    4% bodyfat
    Played both football and basketball for the University of North Carolina, one of the top college basketball programs in the United States.



    Vernon Davis
    191 cm
    18 st
    4.38 40-yard dash


    Jevon Kearse
    193 cm
    18 st 3 lbs
    4.43 40-yard dash


    That's just off the top of my head -- don't wanna get banned for image spam after my first post

    No, I don't think any of these guys will kill any rugger -- especially not those hard-assed islanders (many of which, like Troy Polamalu, play American football over here) -- but I do think that, if they worked hard enough on their conditioning and all-around skills, they could hold their own in rugby. Not DOMINATE, necessarily, but hold their own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by husseyclarke View Post
    Any normal person would realise that most american footballers would not have the endurance to last the fast paced rugby action for 80 whole minutes.
    If they went straight from the gridiron to the rugby pitch, of course they wouldn't. But if given a summer or so with a rugby club to work on their cardio and endurance training, I think they'd eventually get the hang of it.

    Imagine I'm watching a game of american football. We start, the quarter back throws it, someone gets tackled. 10-20 seconds of play. Lets break for a minute. Another play, quarterback throws it, it goes to ground. Oh no. Another 1-2 minute break. These guys get so much time to rest. Anyone who knows the game of league knows that fat DOES NOT HELP YOU AT ALL. You have to be very fit to play the game. In union, fat helps a little but not much.
    The offense has 40 seconds (not "1 or 2 minutes") to run another play, after which the officials call a delay of game penalty.

    The game could stand to have far fewer timeouts, especially "media timeouts (ugh)," I'll have to agree.

    To clarify, the only "fat" players on an American football team are the interior linemen, who block for the running backs and quarterback on offense and obstruct the running lanes on defense -- the other 6 players on offense (and 8 or 9 players on defense) are expected to carry mostly lean muscle mass.

    You know what happens to rugby players when they dont play there heart out? They get dropped. They go back to training and the reserve grade and learn to fix their attitude. That comment is just bullshit. American footballers get far more time to rest during their games. Wow they play their ass off for 10-20 minutes a game. These rugby players play their ass off for upwards of an hour.
    Players get benched for half-assing it in just about every team sport.

    What I think the poster was trying to get at was that, in American football, EVERY player is doing something on EVERY play; in rugby the rest of the offensive players cannot block the defensive players -- that is obstruction. Therefore, when not in possession of the ball, the most the other offensive players can do is either contest for the scrum, or position themselves to receive a pass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by husseyclarke View Post
    Thats just racist. It is a cultural dance, a war dance. And despite earlier comments, it is used to intimidate.
    That was definitely an ignorant statement by that guy, especially since the Brigham Young University and University of Hawai'i college football teams, both of which are largely composed of Pacific Islanders, also perform the haka.



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    mate, well posted, i have to agree with you on all fronts

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    I LOVE RUGBY
    its so much fun lol try to play it in school uniform,even more fun XD;

    me and my friends had this crazy idea to go into my friends back garden and play rugby,and she said we dont need to change was friday,they were gonna get washed anywayso we ran out and played,it was fun,and seeing as it was ireland,it was muddy XD the state of uslols my friend even took a piccie

    rugby is cool,i like it,i actually understand the rules,and half of my family plays/played it.

    so much better than american football <.<

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    liking one sport does not make it better than the other

    FFS SOMEONE CLOSE THIS GODDAMN THREAD
    YO HO YO HO

    ceci n'est pas une signature

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