Rugby vs. American football

**djwolford** · 03-25-2009, 05:42 PM

Originally Posted by monaroCountry

You know that a person is loosing an arguement when they start insulting and name calling.

Originally Posted by sailor jack

also, many rugby players are identified by scouts whilst playing for a university team, much like American footballers, proving they at least have the capability to enter further education
the difference is, rugby players dont get sports scolarships to go to college, where they just play for the team and go to classes just to say they are in the university.

Rugby players are intellegent, respectable proffessionals, who play a full contact sport to blow off steam
Football players are overfed lumps of angry thugs that like to run into other overfed lumps of angry thugs

Thats idiocy.

monaroCountry, as you can see, your argument just became invalid.

That being said, sailor jack, your average college football player doesn't get a scholarship, nor do they become pro football players. A vast majority of high quality football players finish college and move on to respectable professions. Very few of them just go to classes to say that they are part of the university. Also, have you considered how many college football players actually walk on after going to their school of choice on academic scholarships?

Atmosfear is right in saying that you average football players or rugby players probably wouldn't excel in the other sport, because despite being so similar, they are vastly different. I'm still sticking with the idea that a football player would have a better chance in a rugby league than a rugby player would have at any level of football. In terms of toughness, endurance, and skill required, a well rounded football player probably wouldn't have a problem. It's funny that linemen were mentioned to use as a comparison to rugby players, because they are the guys that play a position farthest from what a rugby player should be. Lets start comparing quarterbacks, fullbacks, halfbacks, dts, linebackers, etc. to rugby players and see where that goes.

**Killuminati** · 03-26-2009, 09:29 AM

Originally Posted by sailor jack

aint no football player that could last 5 minutes without a helmet and pads, nevermind 80

That's just stupid.

Originally Posted by sailor jack

exactly, the guy doing the hitting wouldnt have the confidence to tackle without pads. ive played football and rugby and i personally find rugby the most painful and frightening of the two

and thats why i fucking love it

You really think that this guy(Brian Dawkins) wouldn't hit someone without pads on?

The correct answer is that he would kill them.

Originally Posted by SneeBeezums

Except for rucking, scrumming, and tackling...

Physical contact is huge in rugby. Yeah theoretically you can play without tackling and the same could be said about football then.

And about the arguement with pads. I don't know how many times our rugby team has tried recruiting some meaty looking guys that played football and they said they wouldn't play because you tackle/get tackled without pads. Pussies. Our best tackler on our team is a guy that's like 5' 5" and a probably like 130lb max.

I love how you are comparing professional football players to pussies you know who just played football a couple times.

Originally Posted by SneeBeezums

^ How many of those guys are going to run full force and tackle a person without pads though?

I was thinking about this more last night. The reason you don't see (very often) bone crushing hits in rugby is because it is impracticable. You can easily hurt yourself and the other player. Not to mention that the point of the game is to turn the ball over. This isn't football where you tackle the guy and the play is over. You put everything you got into a tackle but fail to wrap him up and just knock him over he can easily pitch it off to one of his teammates or get up and run.

As for the argument about lineman. Yeah their athletic. But how often do you see them make a huge run and not be winded. They wouldn't be able to play a full match of rugby. They need to have insane about of endurance to be able to do all of that running and hitting. And for their size, I just can't see that happening. And bigger doesn't necessarily mean better on a rugby pitch either.

Why the fuck are you only comparing linemen, a very specialized position, to all kinds of rugby players. They are not meant to have enough endurance to sprint all game, that's why they are so fucking big. You guys just compare linemen because they are huge and have a bunch of fat on them so naturally they don't look nearly as athletic or anything. Those linemen will fuck shit up, they are extremely powerful and surprisingly fast. Why aren't you guys looking at db's, hb's, and other positions? They are a lot smaller, can run all day and still dish out huge hits on people as well as catch the ball and break the shit out of people.

Originally Posted by sailor jack

rugby players dont want to sacrifice their futures, they just have the common sense to tackle properly, so therefore dont need a helmet.

any big lump of a doofus can run at a guy and hit him hard, provided theyre protected with pads and stuff
no rugby player would go in with his head. and no rugby player longs for scarring. if it comes then fine, i dont mind cuts and bruises

and the fact that the football players have worse injuries (despite having protection) just prooves they are idiots who cant tackle

If football players didn't have pads then either the game would be different or people would die or get seriously injured frequently.

Originally Posted by sailor jack

also, many rugby players are identified by scouts whilst playing for a university team, much like American footballers, proving they at least have the capability to enter further education
the difference is, rugby players dont get sports scolarships to go to college, where they just play for the team and go to classes just to say they are in the university.

Rugby players are intellegent, respectable proffessionals, who play a full contact sport to blow off steam
Football players are overfed lumps of angry thugs that like to run into other overfed lumps of angry thugs

Thats idiocy.

That's idiocy.

**SneeBeezums** · 03-26-2009, 10:14 AM

Originally Posted by Killuminati

I love how you are comparing professional football players to pussies you know who just played football a couple times.

I was talking about kids that played in High School who we were trying to recruit for a college level of rugby. I never implied that professionals were pussies.

**monaroCountry** · 04-02-2009, 03:18 AM

Originally Posted by Killuminati

That's just stupid.

You really think that this guy(Brian Dawkins) wouldn't hit someone without pads on?

The correct answer is that he would kill them.

Whats so intimidating about that? I think this Brian Dawkins guy would get owned on a rugby pitch.

**Killuminati** · 04-02-2009, 09:01 AM

Originally Posted by monaroCountry

Whats so intimidating about that? I think this Brian Dawkins guy would get owned on a rugby pitch.

This statement alone shows that your opinion is worthless in this matter. You don't even know who dawkins is and you assume he would get owned in rugby. He would end lives.

edit: lol I didn't even read that last post you made, you are dumb.

**monaroCountry** · 04-02-2009, 07:29 PM

Originally Posted by Killuminati

This statement alone shows that your opinion is worthless in this matter. You don't even know who dawkins is and you assume he would get owned in rugby. He would end lives.

edit: lol I didn't even read that last post you made, you are dumb.

In saying that you dont know how good these rugby players are and how skilled they are to think that this Dawkins fella can come in and kill them. These rugby players are some of the best athletes from multiple countries, not just from one.

Brian Dawkins
Height: 6 ft 0 in (1.83 m)
Weight: 210 lb (95 kg)

Lesley Vainikolo (Winger)
Height: 6 ft 2 in (1.88 m)
Weight 17 st 8 lb (112 kg)
This guy actually qualified for the 1998 World Junior Athletics Championships for sprinting before choosing rugby league as his profession. Lesley is a dual international athlete having represented his country in both rugby league and rugby union.

Lote Tuqiri (Winger)
Height 191 cm (6 ft 3 in)
Weight 103 kg (16 st 3 lb)
A powerhouse winger who went from rugby league to rugby union, is also a dual international rugby star.

Wendell Sailor (Winger)
Height 192 cm (6 ft 4 in)
Weight 106 kg (16 st 10 lb)
Another powerhouse winger and dual international who played for Australia in both rugby league and rugby union.

Well that is a wide and not at all confirmable generalization

Which NFL player is regularly called upon to do the kicking, running the ball, do the catching, defend and tackle, do the passing and do all the trick plays? I selected the three wingers above because as wingers they should be able to kick a ball, catch a long cut out pass, catch a cross field kick and drop punts, do tackles and score tries as well as anyone.

Can anyone confirm that NFL players would kill a rugby player when both are not wearing paddings? No. Can anyone confirm that deaths would occur every game if NFL players were to take off their paddings? No. Do you have proof that Brian Dawkins, Roy Williams and Ray Lewis can destroy a rugby player? No.

**KingmanIII** · 06-24-2009, 11:21 PM

Originally Posted by monaroCountry

In saying that you dont know how good these rugby players are and how skilled they are to think that this Dawkins fella can come in and kill them. These rugby players are some of the best athletes from multiple countries, not just from one.

Brian Dawkins
Height: 6 ft 0 in (1.83 m)
Weight: 210 lb (95 kg)

Lesley Vainikolo (Winger)
Height: 6 ft 2 in (1.88 m)
Weight 17 st 8 lb (112 kg)
This guy actually qualified for the 1998 World Junior Athletics Championships for sprinting before choosing rugby league as his profession. Lesley is a dual international athlete having represented his country in both rugby league and rugby union.

Lote Tuqiri (Winger)
Height 191 cm (6 ft 3 in)
Weight 103 kg (16 st 3 lb)
A powerhouse winger who went from rugby league to rugby union, is also a dual international rugby star.

Wendell Sailor (Winger)
Height 192 cm (6 ft 4 in)
Weight 106 kg (16 st 10 lb)
Another powerhouse winger and dual international who played for Australia in both rugby league and rugby union.

Which NFL player is regularly called upon to do the kicking, running the ball, do the catching, defend and tackle, do the passing and do all the trick plays? I selected the three wingers above because as wingers they should be able to kick a ball, catch a long cut out pass, catch a cross field kick and drop punts, do tackles and score tries as well as anyone.

Can anyone confirm that NFL players would kill a rugby player when both are not wearing paddings? No. Can anyone confirm that deaths would occur every game if NFL players were to take off their paddings? No. Do you have proof that Brian Dawkins, Roy Williams and Ray Lewis can destroy a rugby player? No.

Brian Dawkins is only one example -- there are dozens of guys in the NFL who are bigger and just as fast.

Brandon Jacobs
193 cm
18 st 13 lbs

Mario Williams
200 cm
21 st
7.6% bodyfat

Julius Peppers
200 cm
20st 3 lbs
4% bodyfat
Played both football and basketball for the University of North Carolina, one of the top college basketball programs in the United States.

Vernon Davis
191 cm
18 st
4.38 40-yard dash

Jevon Kearse
193 cm
18 st 3 lbs
4.43 40-yard dash

That's just off the top of my head -- don't wanna get banned for image spam after my first post

No, I don't think any of these guys will kill any rugger -- especially not those hard-assed islanders (many of which, like Troy Polamalu, play American football over here) -- but I do think that, if they worked hard enough on their conditioning and all-around skills, they could hold their own in rugby. Not DOMINATE, necessarily, but hold their own.

**Pimpmaster** · 05-03-2009, 12:09 AM

Originally Posted by Killuminati

That's just stupid.

You really think that this guy(Brian Dawkins) wouldn't hit someone without pads on?

The correct answer is that he would kill them.

im pretty sure Sonny Bill Williams would destroy him

**gismo** · 04-03-2009, 08:19 AM

We all know that American Football is just Rugby for pansies.

On a funnier note, proper football is far more dangerous than rubgy and american football combined, muhaha. The injuries might not be worse, they just occur much more frequently.

**simonj** · 04-03-2009, 08:33 AM

Originally Posted by gismo

We all know that American Football is just Rugby for pansies.

On a funnier note, proper football is far more dangerous than rubgy and american football combined, muhaha. The injuries might not be worse, they just occur much more frequently.

That's because pretty much every player is a cunt.