Thread: The next couple of months in MMA

I'd like to point out that Cantwell will be a beast in the UFC. He's still young and showing a lot of promise. Also, Mario Yamasaki is a third degree bjj black belt. I did not know that.

To be honest Dream just never did anything for me, although I respect the amount of talent that they have and the cards that they produce. UFC 92 is looking good, and I'm actually psyched to see AA and Fedor. On a side note I hope that AA pulls out a win.

Also, great arm bar or best arm bar?
(Towards the end, dude should have tapped.)


Cantwell's catching a lot of shit for seeming so happy to have broke dude's arm, but really, he should have tapped. That and I'm pretty sure that it's everyone's desire to break someone's arm if they're too stubborn to do so. Then again maybe I'm just an asshole and so is he.

I mean that's how I thought it worked.

Apparently the guy thought that if he didn't tap, Cantwell would decide to go for something else and not break his arm. That is a good example of how it doesn't work.

By the way, event results-

Spoiler

Josh Koscheck Vs. Yoshiyuki Yoshida-Josh Koscheck Wins by Knock Out at 2:15 in the 1st round. (Impressive KO. I'm actually starting to like Koscheck as he seemed very classy and not at all like a d-bag last night.)

Mike Swick Vs. Jonathan Goulet-Mike Swick Wins by Knock Out at 0:33 in the 1st round. (Was impressed by Swick and the amount of glass there must be in Goulet's chin.)

Steve Cantwell Vs. Razak Al-Hassan-Steve Cantwell Wins by Technical Knock Out at 4:04 in the 1st round. (Still like Cantwell, think he's going to go places now that he's in the UFC.)

Tim Credeur Vs. Nate Loughran-Tim Credeur Wins by Technical Knock Out at 5:00 in the 2nd round. (To be honest, did not watch, did not care who won.)

Matt Wiman Vs. Jim Miller-Jim Miller Wins by Unanimous Decision at 5:00 in the 3rd round. (Was hoping that Wiman would pull the W, can't win 'em all though. He just got straight up outworked/dominated.)

Luigi Fioravanti Vs. Brodie Farber-Luigi Fioravanti Wins by Unanimous Decision at 5:00 in the 3rd round. (I'd rather they both spend some time away from the octagon/dunkin' donuts.)

Steve Bruno Vs. Johnny Rees-Steve Bruno Wins by Submission (Choke) at 3:44 in the 2nd round by rear naked.(Did not see)

Ben Saunders Vs. Brandon Wolff-Ben Saunders Wins by Technical Knock Out at 1:49 in the 1st round . (Wolff got dominated, looked like he had a melon growing out of his melon.)

Corey Hill Vs. Dale Hartt-Dale Hartt Wins by TKO Stoppage (Referee) at 0:20 in the 2nd round . (Wow...just wow. Legs aren't supposed to bend that way.)

Eddie Sanchez Vs. Justin McCully-Justin McCully Wins by Unanimous Decision at 5:00 in the 3rd round . (Was not televised, did not see)

Originally Posted by Mr. E

In my experience, everyone will tap out eventually. I've never done true MMA but I used to do shoot (if you know what that is), and once I got a good hold on they always tapped eventually. I intend to start doing MMA training in about a month or so. I am pretty excited. This post is disjoint and I apologize.

Indeed. He would have tapped after the initial "hey my arm just snapped" adrenaline wore off, pretty quickly might I add.

Also, that's pretty awesome that you're starting in on MMA training, it's fun when it's not bjj. Maybe that's just because I'm not good at it though. I'd much rather enjoy my reach advantage that I generally have than get beat on the ground. Come to think of it, I need to stop being lazy and start back in on that myself.

Originally Posted by djwolford

Indeed. He would have tapped after the initial "hey my arm just snapped" adrenaline wore off, pretty quickly might I add.

Also, that's pretty awesome that you're starting in on MMA training, it's fun when it's not bjj. Maybe that's just because I'm not good at it though. I'd much rather enjoy my reach advantage that I generally have than get beat on the ground. Come to think of it, I need to stop being lazy and start back in on that myself.

I'm actually pretty well-rounded. My grappling is stronger than my striking, just because I'm a wrestler and am wrestling minded, but I have a few years of martial arts training and I'm really, really strong, even for my size.

That may be my problem with jiu jitsu, I never actually wrestled but learned a lot from my uncle and a few friends that did, so I guess my grappling base is more wrestling based. I never really got good at it though, so I'm not a good enough wrestler to be strong in that category, but it keeps me from responding with jiu jitsu quickly and naturally because I always want to revert back to wrestling.

It's a real problem because I could be good as a WW due to my height and striking ability, but can't keep up with most of them on the ground. At MW I'm good enough at striking but again, not quite up to par on the ground, although that's my best division. At LHW I'm just horribly undersized and can't stand with most of them, but most LHWs are on about the same skill level as I am on the ground. That's the main reason that I've been so inactive lately, I've got to get to a point where I can either get big enough to be a huge MW or at very least hit 200 lbs. and be a respectable LHW.

Cut 15 lbs. of water weight and go in Brock Lesnar style. You can almost win fights based on that huge size advantage in itself if you're a good wrestler.

Well while you're bulking 14.6 isn't bad really. I'm bulking right now and sitting at 197 and about 13%(Never been 200, so when I get there I'm cutting again.). After cutting you'll be a beast if you're aiming for 265 and end up around 10 or 11%.

Edit:You're 6'6" aren't you?

That was probably the most brutal MMA card I've ever watched. Also great night of fights.
Anyway on the topic of strengths and weaknesses, I'm pretty much the opposite of you djwolford. My grappling is good enough to hang with most people outside my weight class/experience and is by far my greatest strength, but my striking is terrible. Well I mean I've never got to test it out on someone my size(everyone I train with is a lot bigger than me), so brawling actually might work in my weight class, but I'd rather have technique. It'll all come with experience I guess, right now when I try boxing I have absolutely zero fluidity. But whatever, I have a decent jab and a pretty mean right cross. My main problem is getting overconfident. Again, most of the people I train with are a lot stronger than me so my game plan is keep distance with my jab, stick and move when I get a chance. I tend to land a couple stiff jabs, start landing my cross, then get too cocky and try and stand in the pocket and put together a combination after the 1-2. Usually ends with me getting dropped pretty hard.
Oh yeah and I really need to stop dropping my left hand after I throw a cross.

edit: Also dj wtf, if grappling is your weakest point thats what you should be training. I'm doing nothing but boxing, then muay thai once I'm comfortable with my hands until I get a muay thai fight (my team is pretty small so we can really focus on our weaknesses instead of having a generalized class). I figure if I can beat grapplers in pure grappling and kick boxers in pure kick boxing, I'll do pretty good in MMA.

Originally Posted by raghead

edit: Also dj wtf, if grappling is your weakest point thats what you should be training.

I know, I really should be. Striking comes naturally to me though, so I've always been pretty good with it. I just can't stand to do something that I get beat at time after time, even if I know I have to improve on my ground game if I ever want to get anywhere. I'll probably get back in to bjj classes here pretty soon and work on it. It's not like I'm actually going to fight anytime soon anyway so it's ok for now. I'd like to get to about 195 and then cut down to MW. I think being that big in that weight class would be a nice advantage.

When I was around 175 I considered trying to make LW but realized that it would be a shitty thing to do if I made the cut.

Also, you're right about the card being brutal. Somewhere between Koscheck's two knockouts in one fight, Al-Hassans arm, Hill's leg(ugh), Saunders destroying dude's face, Wiman's epic blood loss strategy and Goulet being Goulet...it was pretty harsh for a UFC event. It almost reminded me of old school UFC.

Sigh, I suppose you're right. My ego is very important to me though just to be totally honest about it.

Hmm, that's a very valid point. Another thing is that if I'm rolling with someone much better than me I'm more likely to keep on until I'm dead or better than that person. Getting outclassed by a lot motivates me whereas getting beat by average people just makes me sad.

Nah I'm like "fck it, that guy got the edge on me, he's pretty much on par with me though, that kind of thing happens.".

If someone much better than me beats me it's like "that guy just made me look bad because he's much better than me, I've got to do something about this.".

To be honest you're right, it doesn't make much sense. That's the way I feel though.

Interesting piece of information-Al Bundy is a BJJ black belt under Rorion Gracie.

At the time, he would have been a beast. He had the advantage of knowing bjj and being huge.

Originally Posted by raghead

Good card last night. I'm pretty pissed Jason MacDonald lost. Nover should have won too, he was too nervous. He just started to get comfortable in the 3rd round and started winning, but it was too little too late.

It was pretty decent but I couldn't get excited about most of the fights. Also Junie/Kaplan getting fight of the night irritated me. I'd be happier if that kid just fell off the face of the planet. Just my opinion though.

On a side note...


luls @ "I usually train, I practice fighting...".

Jason's selections for UFC 92 winrars in red.

Forrest Griffin Vs. Rashad Evans
Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira Vs. Frank Mir
CB Dollaway Vs. Mike Massenzio
Wanderlei Silva Vs. Quinton Jackson
Cheick Kongo Vs. Mustapha Al-Turk

I feel the same way about Evans. Griffin just works too hard on his game plans and probably has more heart than anyone else in the UFC. You've almost got to kill Forrest to beat him, and I don't think Evans can do it.

Mir, like you said, he's already been beat by Nog, he just doesn't know it yet. He's already been mentally defeated to the point that he has a hard time talking smack about Nog, and I don't think I've ever seen Mir unable to talk smack at any given time.

Dollaway may lose the fight, but I like him and don't know much about Massenzio so that's why I picked him.

Wandy will beat Jackson with his stare alone. I don't think Rampage is back to normal yet mentally. Also, I think Jackson is progressively getting worse for some reason, whereas Wandy is still a beast and will be mentally prepared.

Kongo is just a beast. That's all.

I honestly wish that they would show the Hamill fight, even though it's on the undercard. I've got a lot of respect for that dude and enjoy watching him fight.

The next fight I'm really really looking forward to-

Spoiler

Rich Franklin Vs. Dan Henderson (Yes BIG Ace fan)

Discuss.

Discuss.

Franklin just hasn't been the same since Andy rearranged his facial structure with knees, but he's still one of my favorite fighters. I'm not going to predict that he'll win because that never works out for me.