He looked good against Hamill... but then again he was fighting Hamill.
Who knows, as it looks now all the old Pride legends are dropping like flies, maybe Hendo is the next to go.
He looked good against Hamill... but then again he was fighting Hamill.
Who knows, as it looks now all the old Pride legends are dropping like flies, maybe Hendo is the next to go.
I'm just ready to see Bart destroy Mir now. Really. I don't even know why I don't like Mir.
Originally Posted by TokiOriginally Posted by TokiOriginally Posted by Pickles
Also, raghead I took your advice (somewhatly) and worked on my jj a bit.
By worked on my jiu jitsu what I mean is that I got drunk and tried to have a jiu jitsu match with a buddy of mine that outweighs me my about thirty lbs. and actually knows what he's doing. It went on for about three minutes, then I got caught in an armbar, only I was drunk and thought I could get out of it for some reason and I didn't tap. So he put progressively more pressure on it until it made a weird popping noise and I tapped. Today it hurts pretty badly but I can move it and stuff so that's a good thing right?
I did do pretty well though, considering the fact that I was pretty trashed and he wasn't much. I kept pretty good control with my guard and almost had a nice guillotine locked in at one point. I thought I did well keeping control of his head as well. I mean we weren't hitting each other or anything like that but I always like to assume that they could hit me. It makes it more applicable to pretty much any situation where you'd be using jj besides a tournament or something.
Originally Posted by TokiOriginally Posted by TokiOriginally Posted by Pickles
The thing with guillotines is you'll almost never catch someone in them that knows what they're doing unless you have it really, really tight with your guard closed in. The counters are just way too easy and effective. Also your arm's probably just hyper extended and should be fine in a day or two.
Also I've been working on my striking a lot, my one-two is getting pretty nasty and I'm getting really good at slipping jabs/crosses and creating angles.
Anyway probably the best thing you could do for your grappling is remember, position before submission. I never really took that to heart til I got out pointed at the tournament, and it's worked wonders for my ground game. Of course I still will go for subs from the bottom if I see an opening, but my sweeps have gone from non-existent to really good and my overall game is a helluva a lot more dangerous. It'll especially benefit you if you like striking, since even from someones guard you can land pretty good strikes. Work on your sweeps, trust me it will pay off.
Well the position before submission thing pretty much defines me. All I generally do on the ground is play defense unless I see a really good opportunity. I really need to start learning again instead of just practicing what I already know.
Originally Posted by TokiOriginally Posted by TokiOriginally Posted by Pickles
Well I mean you have to take risks too. If you have someone in your guard you should be constantly moving, working to sweep or working for a submission. People that just try and defend have the easiest guards to pass. Same for any position really, especially on the bottom. The second you relax and let the person on top of you get comfortable it's going to be a helluva a lot easier for them to maintain control.
Also get used to baiting people into playing into your strengths. Personally, I have really good armbar defense, but I suck at passing someone with a really active guard. So when I'm in someones guard I like to bait them into taking an arm so I can defend the armbar and pass their guard. It's always easy to defend something you know is coming, plus it wears on people mentally when you can control them like that. Just get used to improvising when doing it with the same training partners. It will force you to get creative to keep fooling them and make you better.
Well I stay moving and trying to sweep, but at the same time I won't try to do anything offensive on the ground. It's just 95% body control or escape for me. If I can wear someone down by making them try to fight to be able to move, that's what I like to do. My guard is great enough for me to control someone pretty well from the bottom, but the rest of my ground game is pure crap. So in a way I do make people play into my strength. It's just not an impressive or entertaining to watch strength at all.
Originally Posted by TokiOriginally Posted by TokiOriginally Posted by Pickles
So... my boxing still sucks haha. It may have been the fact that I was feeling like shit the whole time I was training because of eating hotdogs beforehand, but I think it had more to do with my form degrades ridiculously fast when I'm pressured. I'm fine if I can stick and move, but the second I start getting hit and the guys not backing up I immediately lose form and start swinging. This usually ends with my ass on the mat. Something I need to work on I guess. Oh and I learned my instructor used to train with Jake Hieron at one of Couture's gyms, thought that was pretty cool.
Everyone keep an eye on Jonny Bermudez.
He's a personal friend of mine.
He's a killer!
Yeah, boxing is one of those things that you're either a natural at, or it improves as you get comfortable with it. You just have to learn to not worry about getting hit, which is the complete opposite of a normal person's natural reaction. To be honest I wish I could give you advice on maintaining good form to return the good advice that you give me on my jiu jitsu, but my boxing form is crap as well. Just do what I did and take up the Keith Jardine strategy. It doesn't have to be orthodox, it just has to work.
Originally Posted by TokiOriginally Posted by TokiOriginally Posted by Pickles
Also, this explains a lot about the Nog situation. Dude is incredibly classy for putting all of blame for that loss against Mir on himself in my opinion. I like him more and more every time he speaks.
http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/12/...g-down-ufc-92/
Originally Posted by TokiOriginally Posted by TokiOriginally Posted by Pickles
Nah I'd rather have good standup lol. I just need to spar more and get used to it. It's funny, I used to not worry about getting hit and I would always keep my hands low and everything. Then I ended up getting knocked out twice, so now I'm like too worried about getting knocked out. I don't care about the pain from getting hit, but I obviously don't want to get knocked out and I get really overwhelmed when someones just standing in front of my throwing combinations. Especially when I'm used to throwing a punch or two, connecting and backing out, and I do that and they chase me. I actually had my buddy Wanderlei Silvaing me today haha, just standing in front of me throwing hooks. I don't even react like a normal person and cover up, I keep trying to throw my jab in there for some reason haha. Only way to fix that is to keep sparring though, eventually I'll get used to it.
btw if you're up K-1 Dynamite is on
edit: nevermind not til 5am, fuck that shit
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Haha I see what you did thar. I was just talking about the unorthodox style, not Jardine's ability/beard. It throws traditional boxers/kickboxers off, so I find that it works. As for getting knocked out, those first few times always make you wish that it hadn't happened, it's just something you have to accept is going to happen on occasion. Well actually every time makes you wish that it hadn't happened, so I guess that's not true.
You're on the right path though. Practice makes perfect.
Originally Posted by TokiOriginally Posted by TokiOriginally Posted by Pickles
Yeah I don't have the power or chin to fight like Jardine hah. I'm going for more of the Machida style, except without as much running. Also lol Aoki just destroyed Alvarez. That'll shut people up talking about Alvarez as the best 155er. BJ would submit Alvarez in the first round, and KO Aoki in the first round. Fucking Japanese light weights are so overrated.
Japanese fighters in general are pretty much overrated(with a few exceptions). The only reason that Pride was so awesome was because of the people that they brought in from different countries. Also I have yet to see K1 Dynamite. About to start finding fight videos now.
(no racist)
Originally Posted by TokiOriginally Posted by TokiOriginally Posted by Pickles
So djwolford did you ever find the videos? Japanese fighters are imo less physically gifted than their white counterparts but they tend to have more heart eg. Akira Shoji, Dajiro Matsui.
Also I got banned from Sherdog. doesn't that suck guys?
I think that being banned by Sherdog is a blessing sir. I never did get around to finding the videos though.
Originally Posted by TokiOriginally Posted by TokiOriginally Posted by Pickles
So who do you guys have in these upcoming cards?
Hendo v. Franklin
Tough one to call. I hope Franklin wins, but this is a really close fight. Franklin has better stand up(yeah I said it), but Hendo has more power. Hendo has better wrestling, but Franklin has underrated submission skills. I'm gonna say if it stays standing, either Franklin gets caught and (T)KO'd or wins via UD.
Shogun v. Coleman
Another tough one. Same as the first time, on paper Shogun should destroy Coleman. But who knows how his knee is after the surgery and how cage rust is going to affect him.
Fedor v. Arlovski
Arlovski's boxing is the only thing he has going for him in this fight. If he can keep Fedor away with a strong jab, manage to avoid the takedowns and utilize good head movement, he MIGHT cut Fedor and get it stopped or possibly get a decision nod. The more likely result, Fedor mixes up the stand up with some kicks, gets inside and knocks him the fuck out. That or he takes him down, pounds him out or submits him. Arlovski winning isn't impossible, but it's extremely unlikely.
Machida v. Silva
Machida all the way. Silva has extremely overrated stand up. He's a brawler with a decent chin and good power. Styles make fights, and Silva's style is tailor made for Machida to dominate. Silva is gonna try and push the pace, stay in Machida's face and knock him out. He won't be able to touch Machida, and Machida will pick him apart.
Penn v. GSP
I'm favoring Penn in this one. Penn has great boxing, GSP can't stand with him period. If you want to argue that GSP's stand up is a lot better, he hasn't proved himself against a striker. He's outstruck wrestlers, and proved he has a suspect chin against Serra. Penn has a granite chin and isn't going to get KO'd. GSP has also proved to have problems finishing fights with striking against Jon Fitch. You can credit some of that to Fitch for having a good chin, but no one has a good enough chin to get the shit beat out of them by someone with good KO power and stay standing. GSP does not have knock out power. In BJJ, Penn obviously has an advantage. GSP has good enough BJJ to keep him at bay for a while, but if Penn ends up on top it's going to be a short fight. The thing that is going to make or break this fight for GSP is his wrestling. If he can take Penn down, control him on the ground, avoid submission and utilize some GNP, he has a shot. He may even get a ref stoppage if he can put Penn in a position where he can't escape and can pound on him long enough. And if the fight drags on, Penn's cardio is going be a huge factor. Yes he's training hard, but GSP's pure size and strength can train the best of em. I'm a huge fan of both fighters, but I simply think Penn has more ways to win.
Dj pm me and I'll give you a link for the fights
I'm going with Hendo
Shogun
Fedor
Machida
GSP
-I just think Hendo has amazing wrestling technique and could easily win a UD by just GnP/LnP.
-Shogun is just an emotional favorite, Coleman is old and done but if Shogun loses I think he's also done so I hope he wins and continues his career.
-Fedor.
-I really don't know much about Thiago Silva but Machida is pretty damn good. Slightly boring but watching the Tito fight for the second time made me truly appreciate his skill.
-This fight is really really close and my choice is pure guesswork. But I just kinda don't like Penn nuthuggers not that BJ is lacking in skill or anything.
Hendo v. Franklin
I'm going to have to go with Franklin on this one, his standup and submission skills are better, although Hendo does have a pretty big advantage in the wrestling department. The thing about Hendo is that he hasn't picked up a quality win in the octagon. It seems to me that he's on the decline at the moment. If this was Pride five-ten years ago, Hendo would stand a much better chance.
Shogun v. Coleman
I think Shoguns acl surgery is going to hurt his kicks and general movement a lot, but I think he'll take the win over Coleman. Being out of action and not even being cleared to train for a year is going to hurt, so it's pretty hard to call. He did almost got he distance with Forrest on that injured leg though, even though Forrest wasn't quite as beastly then as he is now. Maybe we won't have another Shogun/Coleman Pride incident.
Fedor v. Arlovski
I've got AA via ktfo. Just call it a gut feeling, because on paper Fedor should win it. Arlovski has the tools to do the job, his performance just has to be flawless.
Machida v. Silva
Machida via destruction. I don't think that Silva does anything better than Machida other than standing and banging. I just don't see Machida allowing that to happen.
Penn v. GSP
I'm going with Penn on this one, depending on how his work ethic has been. Penn is all around a better fighter than GSP. Honestly I don't think that GSP does anything better than Penn, aside from his conditioning being better.
A few other notables-
Urijah Faber Vs. Jens Pulver
I see the second one being much like the first, only two less rounds of it.
Marcus Davis Vs. Chris Lytle
Marcus Davis via brutal ko, hopefully he can pull it off and get out of the gatekeeper spot. Especially after having the scar tissue removal surgery, and random nicks and cuts won't bleed buckets and get fights stopped early.
Originally Posted by TokiOriginally Posted by TokiOriginally Posted by Pickles
Isn't it Lytle who always bleeds all over the place?
And yeah, I think Davis takes this too. Lytle is more of a brawler than a boxer. Davis has great boxing, amazing footwork and good KO power. I'm just worried that Lytle will take it down if he realizes Davis has better stand up. Davis has alright submissions, but Lytle is a BJJ blackbelt so it would be pretty quick on the ground.
Last edited by raghead; 01-11-2009 at 02:12 PM.
Stupid holidays have made my cutting a bitch. I wanted to get down to weight before I started training, but I may have to start as a tiny super-heavyweight and become a big heavyweight a couple weeks after
Within a month you'll be a big light heavy Mr. E.
Originally Posted by TokiOriginally Posted by TokiOriginally Posted by Pickles
Well Lytle does, but Davis did as well due to all of his scar tissue from boxing escapades. He had some kind of surgery to take care of that though, and he looks like a normal human being again after having it. I'm assuming that he doesn't bleed all over the place anymore, since he didn't in his last fight.
Originally Posted by TokiOriginally Posted by TokiOriginally Posted by Pickles
Also, awesome classic mma video of the day.
Originally Posted by TokiOriginally Posted by TokiOriginally Posted by Pickles
Bas Rutten is amazing. That video made me said cause when I saw it I thought he was coming back to fighting and he looked great. But he's still retired . It's such a shame that his career ended so early, he would have dominated the HW division for a long time in the UFC.
They just don't hit like that anymore.
Originally Posted by TokiOriginally Posted by TokiOriginally Posted by Pickles
Yep... plus almost as many submissions as KO's, truely a well rounded fighter. If he hadn't fucked himself doing god knows what in training he would be more successful than Randy/Coleman and no doubt be in the UFC hall of fame.
Haha now he's training Kimbo Claus.
Originally Posted by TokiOriginally Posted by TokiOriginally Posted by Pickles
I hope he's not training him any more.
I wish he would travel and do seminars or something, I would kill to train with that man.
I just watched the BJ Penn/GSP preview on Spike, and it made me realize that I wish I had half of the talent that Penn is wasting.
Originally Posted by TokiOriginally Posted by TokiOriginally Posted by Pickles
You gotta give it to the guy, he knows how to hype a fight.
He could have just said "I'm going to break GSP mentally" but he goes and says "GSP is a quitter, as soon as you start pushing him and getting in his face he's going to quit". That definitely got in GSP's head haha, his reaction was awesome.
Well Penn is the king of trash talk, if he could develop a Wandy stare down he wouldn't even have to fight. I just think it's shit that he can play in the ocean in Hawaii and train for an hour every other day and still win fights.
Originally Posted by TokiOriginally Posted by TokiOriginally Posted by Pickles
He's training for 5 hours a day now.
But yeah it's absolutely mind blowing how much he's accomplished training 30 minutes to an hour a day. Imagine if he had a training regiment like GSP. He would overtake Fedor as the greatest fighter of all time. He would also probably hold the LW, WW and MW belt at the same time lol.
But what ifs don't matter, it'll never happen . Plus its probably too late now anyway, Penn's in his 30s now. Man that dudes potential was fucking limitless if he just would have trained hard from the start.
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