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Originally Posted by Cryptic

I really don't see why people get all worked up when someone is good at Guitar Hero. GH is about as little like playing a real guitar as you can unless you get something made by Fisher Price. Sure it's always cool to watch when someone is good at any game, but being good at GH doesn't mean any musical talent.

actually, i'm pretty sure that because of the nature of the game, you need considerable rhythmic talent and tonal descrimination to be very good at it. i mean it's not like playing an actual guitar but that doesn't mean it's completely separate from musical talent.

edit: in fact after watching the video i'm convinced -- you can't do that without musical talent. lots of it. i heard and saw his fingers speed up and slow down as he corrected himself and you just can't do that with flashing lights on the screen.

Originally Posted by gwahir

actually, i'm pretty sure that because of the nature of the game, you need considerable rhythmic talent and tonal descrimination to be very good at it. i mean it's not like playing an actual guitar but that doesn't mean it's completely separate from musical talent.

edit: in fact after watching the video i'm convinced -- you can't do that without musical talent. lots of it. i heard and saw his fingers speed up and slow down as he corrected himself and you just can't do that with flashing lights on the screen.

Well then with that logic DDR takes musical talent too. And so does dancing.

Originally Posted by effingawwesome

Well then with that logic DDR takes musical talent too. And so does dancing.

ddr takes no, strictly speaking, musical talent but a lot of rhythmic aptitude, quick reflexes and eye-body coordination.

and most dancing takes no musical talent, but to be a very good dancer you need a LOT of it. and by "very good" i don't mean "very good at dancing in clubs to techno music" i mean "very good in professional dance performance settings".

Originally Posted by gwahir

ddr takes no, strictly speaking, musical talent but a lot of rhythmic aptitude, quick reflexes and eye-body coordination.

and most dancing takes no musical talent, but to be a very good dancer you need a LOT of it. and by "very good" i don't mean "very good at dancing in clubs to techno music" i mean "very good in professional dance performance settings".

That's all Guitar Hero takes. Rhythmic aptitude, quick reflexes and hand-eye coordination. No musical talent goes into it. It's essentially DDR for the fingers.

Originally Posted by effingawwesome

That's all Guitar Hero takes. Rhythmic aptitude, quick reflexes and hand-eye coordination. No musical talent goes into it. It's essentially DDR for the fingers.

No it's not. You need to know where you'll be moving your fingers based on tone. You need to be able to sense where the music is going in order to be actually, genuinely good at it. You can be decent at GH without any musical talent, but to be really, really good, you simply need musical talent. (By saying musical talent, I take into account rhythmic and tonal aptitude.) In DDR, the moves and arrows are essentially arbitrary -- not so in GH.

Playing an instrument is never like dancing.

Originally Posted by gwahir

No it's not. You need to know where you'll be moving your fingers based on tone. You need to be able to sense where the music is going in order to be actually, genuinely good at it. You can be decent at GH without any musical talent, but to be really, really good, you simply need musical talent. (By saying musical talent, I take into account rhythmic and tonal aptitude.) In DDR, the moves and arrows are essentially arbitrary -- not so in GH.

Playing an instrument is never like dancing.

Yes it is. You move your fingers based on the tempo of the song, not on tone. There are 5 buttons to make up the whole fretboard of a guitar with 6 strings there is no way that 5 buttons can represent tone or actual notes on the guitar. You don't need a good ear, period. All you need is to play the songs a lot and to be able to know the tempo.

You calling GH musical talent is like me saying someone who knows how to use a computer is a computer engineer. You have to know how to use a computer to be an engineer so anyone who can use a computer is an engineer. That's basically how your whole argument looks.

Originally Posted by effingawwesome

Yes it is. You move your fingers based on the tempo of the song, not on tone. There are 5 buttons to make up the whole fretboard of a guitar with 6 strings there is no way that 5 buttons can represent tone or actual notes on the guitar. You don't need a good ear, period. All you need is to play the songs a lot and to be able to know the tempo.

You calling GH musical talent is like me saying someone who knows how to use a computer is a computer engineer. You have to know how to use a computer to be an engineer so anyone who can use a computer is an engineer. That's basically how your whole argument looks.

weak and simply incorrect waffle from someone who really really wants to believe he can be good at something with no talent