Thread: If athiests ruled the world

Originally Posted by gwahir

What?

What?

Without religion, there would be no reason to fight abortion laws and no reason to hate gays. There'd be none of these ridiculous taboos about sex, so sex education would be at an infinitely higher standard. Your assertion is nonsense.

I disagree. People hate people who are different than them, religion or no religion. Gay rights would still be an issue, just like race rights. I think it is a little presumptuous to assume that there wouldn't be taboos either. We don't know how society would have developed without religion, and there is no way to know. All of these are moot points anyway because it is too late for there to have been no religion, lol. Even if everyone on earth magically decided there wasn't a god one day it wouldn't solve every problem ever. Back when I was a hardcore conservative (the days did exist, as much as I am ashamed of them) my arguments against abortion and gay marriage had nothing to do with religion.

Originally Posted by Mr. E

my arguments against abortion and gay marriage had nothing to do with religion.

Yes they did; you just didn't know it.

The are only ISSUES because of religion. YOU only argued against them because they were issues in the first place. Are you saying that if they weren't already very big conservative no-nos, you would have picked reasons out of the air why they were wrong? That's ludicrous.

There is no secular reason to hate gays and only incredibly silly and tenuous secular arguments against abortion.