Feel bad for posting this, but... US Islamic TV founder charged with beheading wife

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Originally Posted by sycld

and through out all of your accusations, you never provided any evidence that torture is effective to refute how others have said that torture is not effective.

how do you know that torture is at all effective?

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Wrong, friend-o.

I'm not basing my opinion on the condition that it's effective. I'm basing my opinion on my believing that torture is wrong. If it were to save the planet, it would be a justifiable wrong, however.


To base your entire argument on something like this, "The amount of times you get reliable information from someone is far outweighed by the amount of times you get unreliable information from someone.That's why it doesn't work", however, is just stupid.

There is a distinction between the two.

WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT TORTURE'S JUSTIFICATION. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ITS EFFECTIVENESS AND THE RELIABILITY OF THE INFORMATION GAINED THROUGH TORTURE.

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Originally Posted by gwahir

WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT TORTURE'S JUSTIFICATION. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ITS EFFECTIVENESS AND THE RELIABILITY OF THE INFORMATION GAINED THROUGH TORTURE.

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yeah, obviously, but my point is that there's no possible way of knowing.

if there's no way of knowing , then you are forced to build an opinion on something other than pseudo facts.

no, your point is whatever the fuck you feel like saying at the time. you've dragged us through several levels of hell while we're trying to have any sort of meaningful discussion and you're trying to vindicate whatever backwards stupid thing you said with another backwards stupid thing. you have no point. you're just shitting on everyone's attempts at sensible, thoughtful discourse.

god damn you're an idiot. god damn.

now i'm closing this thread because it was over as soon as you said "a wrong is a wrong unless it's justified". i mean there was just nowhere to go from there.