Gwahir, are you saying that being 'speciesist' is wrong? Of course the opinion that killing living, breathing babies is bad is 'speciesist'. If you pulled a zygote out of the womb it would die no matter what, if you pulled an early-term fetus out of the womb it would die no matter what. If you pull a 6,7,8 month old baby out it will probably live if something is done. I feel that the potential of an actual, birthed, living human is a bit higher than the potential of an actual, birthed, living zygote to the point of being in an entirely different class. I don't feel like there is a problem with that argument on those grounds.
Back to the 'speciesist double standard' then, so murder should be ok? I mean, if cows and people are on an even playing field and being 'speciesist' is wrong, why not kill and eat people? Sure, people have higher brain functioning, but isn't that being 'brain-functionist'? My point being, just because something is discriminatory does not intrinsically make it wrong. I feel like most people would not equate killing a cow for food and killing an actual living and breathing birthed baby because the mom doesn't want it. And if we are to use intelligent preference as the line for when it is and isn't okay to kill a baby, when does that begin? I don't know much about the rate of mental development of babies, but I feel like it would be too far of a leap to assume a 3-month old has no capability of intelligent preference, should we have until after then to kill them?
And then there is still the retard argument. Some people will never be capable of preference satisfaction, are they disposable?
Originally Posted by gina
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