Thread: Parent's Rights, where do you stand?

Originally Posted by MrTroy

There you go again, with the italicized "It Is Immoral". Why are YOU the person who decides what IS and IS NOT moral? You can not seem to wrap your head around what subjective means. Just because you say that X cultures values and morals are meaningless and flawed, doesn't make it so. The only reason you believe so is because you were raised with what our cultures consider moral. You have tunnel vision.

If you were born and raised as a Muslim in the middle east, you would be quite certain that someone who holds the beliefs and moral standards of a MrTroy, Syme, Sycld, or Gwahir would be quite immoral, and you would be CERTAIN of it. You seem to have trouble separating your argument from your personal beliefs, much like religious zealots can't separate their religious beliefs when talking about what should be taught in school or the laws of the country. I can hold my own set of personal moral beliefs, which believe it or not align quite a bit with yours, but I still recognize that our version of morality is NO MORE SUPERIOR than any other standard. We feel ours is standard and superior because it is OUR code of morality, to us OUR views on morality subjects make the best sense, and they are crazy. Just as the Taliban members are just as certain that their code of morals should be the standard. Just because YOU say that your view of morality is the right one, and these others are flawed, doesn't make it so.

You are using flawed circular logic, "My moral views are right, Why? Because the others are flawed and meaningless, Why? Because my moral views are right, Why? Because they make more sense, Why? Because their moral code justifies bad treatment of women, which is immoral, Why? Because it is"

Now, I am not trying to put words in your mouth, it has quotation marks around it because it separates it as my example, but that is the jist of your argument.

I am with Gwahir on this one. Rape is always wrong. Murdering your daughter because she wants to spend time with someone you dissaprove of is wrong. Why can I say this? It is hit you in the face obvious. I do not see my morals as being superior just because they are mine. There are a lot of moral shades of gray, however there are some pretty obvious black and white zones. Rape isn't wrong because I was raised to think it, it is wrong because it is one of the most degrading things you can do to another human and something you wouldn't wish done to you.

And if you get raped, I imagine most people would like the support of their families, but depending on where you live, this can be impossible because some cultures are so damned sexist, it is a womans fault if she gets raped and women need to cover their entire bodies in black cloth so it doesn't tempt men, this is all backwards and wrong. MY moral belief that these are wrong IS superior, for these values induce, prelong and aggrevate human suffering and have been shown in the west to be a terrible way to treat women. They used to treat women like this in the west, then they started to say "hold on, this isn't right" and someone said "actually, you are right", because women are seen as human beings in the west (or at least alot more so than the middle east) their opinions carry much more weight, so when they say that being raped and then being told its your fault and abandoned by your family isn't a nice thing to happen, we don't say "shut up, woman", we are more inclined to listen. Our values have evolved and progressed.

That isn't to say our all of our values are better than theirs, but when it comes to rape and the treatment of women, ours are much better.