Thread: Parent's Rights, where do you stand?

Originally Posted by gismo

I am with Gwahir on this one. Rape is always wrong. Murdering your daughter because she wants to spend time with someone you dissaprove of is wrong. Why can I say this? It is hit you in the face obvious. I do not see my morals as being superior just because they are mine. There are a lot of moral shades of gray, however there are some pretty obvious black and white zones.

Just because it's "hit-you-in-the-face obvious" to you doesn't make it an objective moral truth. The reason it seems so obvious to you is that you have thoroughly socialized to believe it. The black and white zones that seem obvious to you seem that way because they are what your culture has programmed you, since birth, to perceive as obvious black and white zones.

Honestly, it's amazing to me how people can claim that certain moral ideas aren't subjective, and then without even blinking, support their claim with a justification like as "it's obvious", which any reasonable person should be able to see is flagrantly subjective.

Originally Posted by gismo

Rape isn't wrong because I was raised to think it, it is wrong because it is one of the most degrading things you can do to another human and something you wouldn't wish done to you.

So how does that make it objectively wrong? What universal moral law says it's wrong? Where is the universal moral law saying that if something is degrading or if you wouldn't want something done to you, that thing is therefore wrong? You basically said "Rape isn't wrong because I was raised to think it's wrong, it's wrong because it's degrading and I've been raised to think that degrading things are wrong". It still comes back to how you've been socialized.

Originally Posted by gismo

MY moral belief that these are wrong IS superior, for these values induce, prelong and aggrevate human suffering and have been shown in the west to be a terrible way to treat women.

So where are you getting this objectively true moral law saying that things which induce/prolong/aggravate human suffering are wrong? Do you not see that this criteria for immorality is not objectively more correct than anyone else's criteria? You're saying that such-and-such is objectively wrong because it causes human suffering, but the very idea that immorality inheres in causing human suffering is subjective. Just because you dreamed it up and it "sounds right to you" does NOT make it objectively correct. Some people would disagree that the causing of human suffering is that criteria by which morality should be judged; what makes your opinion on this matter more valid than theirs? What is the universal moral law that your views align with and theirs don't?