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    I went into this album kind of wanting to hate it, but I am actually growing to like it more and more. Graduation is simply amazing, but 808s has a totally different sound but still screams Kanye; and I'm still not sure how I feel about the whole album being sung using Auto Tune but it does expand on the overall feeling that the album exudes.

    Surprisingly, I approve and enjoy it, and it's a good effort in its own right but he shouldn't continue in this direction.

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    I am of the opinion that auto-tune is for vaginas.

    I would rather listen to someone miss a couple notes than hear fake perfection - it's just a pet peeve i suppose. A false need for adherence to aural perfection, which makes me crave normal, natural noise. I don't care if they're off for a note or two, because it is at least a genuine thing that requires some actual effort/talent.

    By all accounts, Kanye's voice isn't all that bad, he is just too self-conscious about it, so he uses auto-tune for an image of perfection.

    Ok, maybe I just hate things that are all image and no substance.

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    I haven't yet bothered to listen to this album, mainly due to the autotune bullshit. I've enjoyed all of Kanye's other albums (although Graduation was kinda weak) but I can't believe he autotuned this one. Totally takes away the emotion behind the vocals. Hopefully he won't keep this shit up on his future albums, otherwise I probably won't listen to it at all.

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    Kanye West hasn't had a good album since College Dropout. He's trying to be too trendy with this autotune bullshit and instead of singing or rapping, he just talks over top of it. How that qualifies as talent or entertainment is beyond me.

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    I'm listening now.. it's alright.. I'd say College Dropout > Freshman Adjustment > Late Registration > Graduation > 808s

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    I hated it. It took him like three weeks to make the album and he admitted he made each beat in like 15 minutes. Its obvious he doesn't give a fuck.

    Fuck Kanye. The guy seriously annoys the hell out of me.

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    Got the album for my sister's Christmas present.

    Bitch better like it.
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    For my brother I got...

    Jay-Z - Blueprint
    Jay-Z The Black Album
    Jay-Z - Volume 1
    A Tribe Called Quest - Midnight Marauders
    Common - Resurrection

    We have the downloaded versions. Music sounds better to me when I know I bought the CD for some reason. He's also a big Jay fan.

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    808s is garbage. Need I cite Kanye's huge SNL failure to further make the case that he is NOT a real artist and has absolutely no talent? Ego will only take you so far but I think this is the end of the road.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coqauvin View Post

    Ok, maybe I just hate things that are all image and no substance.
    You do not stand alone on this one because I feel the same way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mkdisciple View Post
    I hated it. It took him like three weeks to make the album and he admitted he made each beat in like 15 minutes. Its obvious he doesn't give a fuck.
    While I won't argue that the guy is a serious douche, one of my favorite albums took three days to make, all the while the musicians were tripping on psilocybin mushrooms. I'm just saying that the duration of the recording process doesn't necessarily reflect quality. For example, Chinese Democracy was worked on and off again for, what, sixteen years? I've yet to hear the album, but I very seriously doubt that it is "sixteen years" good.
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    Yea, I do agree with you, but Kanye said in an interview that he just kinda put it together saying that whatever he made sold anyway so he didn't try to make it the best it could be. That pissed me off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dudeman View Post
    While I won't argue that the guy is a serious douche, one of my favorite albums took three days to make, all the while the musicians were tripping on psilocybin mushrooms. I'm just saying that the duration of the recording process doesn't necessarily reflect quality. For example, Chinese Democracy was worked on and off again for, what, sixteen years? I've yet to hear the album, but I very seriously doubt that it is "sixteen years" good.
    Yes, but 16 years is a point of diminishing returns. Generally, if you work on album for about 3 weeks, it is going to feel and sound rushed, which 808's did. I didn't really like the direction he took it in, although he shows promise as being someone who can do his own hooks fairly well.

    If you take the extra time to work and shape an album; being an artist and shaping it to be 'just so,' the time, quality and attention will be reflected in the work that you do, and your fans will appreciate it. While there are exceptions to the rule, generally speaking, 21 days does not an album make. I find some bands put together a shitty album after having a year to make it.

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    Madlib made Quasimoto - The Unseen in 7 days tripping on shrooms for the 7 days straight and it's a classic hip hop album. Beats and rhymes are great.

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    Um...ok... but this album is a dud.

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    Quote Originally Posted by babar View Post
    Madlib made Quasimoto - The Unseen in 7 days tripping on shrooms for the 7 days straight and it's a classic hip hop album. Beats and rhymes are great.
    I'm pretty sure it's impossible to trip on shrooms from 7 straight days... you'll get sick and throw up after 2 straight days of doing it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WIKI
    The album was conceived and recorded by Madlib during a week long psilocybin mushroom binge.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Unseen_(album)

    Listen to it, it's pretty good, laid back. Takes a minute to get used to his voice but after a few spins you'll love it.

    By the way you have to understand Quas and Madlib are the same person. Quas is his alter ego. You can probably google about it and understand it more.
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    babar you listen to terrible music.

    And I've actually become indifferent to 808s, I was being rather optimistic and generous when I made this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by babar View Post
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Unseen_(album)

    Listen to it, it's pretty good, laid back. Takes a minute to get used to his voice but after a few spins you'll love it.

    By the way you have to understand Quas and Madlib are the same person. Quas is his alter ego. You can probably google about it and understand it more.
    Well he can say that, but I'm pretty sure that it's impossible to take shrooms for 7 days. There's too many toxins in it for one person to handle that often, unless he ate them even though he was puking his brains out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by effingawwesome View Post
    Well he can say that, but I'm pretty sure that it's impossible to take shrooms for 7 days. There's too many toxins in it for one person to handle that often, unless he ate them even though he was puking his brains out.
    not to mention you would get immune to them pretty quickly.

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    How is Madlib terrible music he is probably one of the most creative and innovative producers of all time.. noobs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by babar View Post
    How is Madlib terrible music he is probably one of the most creative and innovative producers of all time.. noobs.
    ok this is the thing

    being creative and innovative does not mean your product is any good

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    Quote Originally Posted by coqauvin View Post
    ok this is the thing

    being creative and innovative does not mean your product is any good
    He is one of the best at what he does.. you've probably never even listened to him.

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    You just completely ignored what coqauvin said didn't you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by babar View Post
    How is Madlib terrible music he is probably one of the most creative and innovative producers of all time.. noobs.
    No Don Ellis was one of the most creative and innovative producers and composers of all time. Noob.

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    Quote Originally Posted by effingawwesome View Post
    No Don EllisBeethoven was one of the most creative and innovative producers and composers of all time. Noob.

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    I would honestly put Don Ellis on the same level of genius as Beethoven.

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    I've been on a Lee Morgan/Coleman Hawkins kick lately. But Don Ellis was undoubtedly the master.

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    Any man who can make a song groove in 19/8 is a genius in my book.

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    Bad lyrics, subpar singing and auto-tune. SOUNDS LIKE A FANTASTIC ALBUM TO ME.

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    Thanks for summing up the thread until me and simonj derailed it for a bit.

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    Haha. Jazz is ridiculously under appreciated on this forum.

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    It's under appreciated everywhere. I just don't understand how people don't like it.

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    It's an acquired taste

    also you have to understand music to really appreciate jazz

    most people just want to hear basic progressions

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    I think there's a jazz band for anyone.

    John Zorn's bands, especially Naked City, kick ass.
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    ..or Yesterday's New Quintet, Madlib's imaginary jazz band.

    Quote Originally Posted by wiki
    In 2001, Madlib took a turn away from traditional hip hop music, releasing his first Yesterdays New Quintet LP, Angles Without Edges. Yesterdays New Quintet is a Jazz-based, hip hop and Electronic-influenced quintet made up of four fictitious characters, Ahmad Miller, Monk Hughes, Malik Flavors, Joe McDuphrey; and Madlib under his real name, Otis Jackson Jr. Madlib has continued to record other albums under the different guises of Yesterdays New Quintet members, including 2002's tribute to Stevie Wonder, Stevie; as well as "solo" albums by the various members, such as Monk Hughes' 2004's tribute to Weldon Irvine, A Tribute to Brother Weldon, Joe McDuphrey Experience. He also created the pseudonym Sound Directions to create the YNQ-like band's "debut" album The Funky Side of Life.


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    Would you get off that guy's dick?

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    i am going to go with a 'meh' on those videos

    they were sort of interesting, but i didn't see any strokes of genius behind them

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    I think people just think that's what they want. There's a pretty good jazz club in my city and I've taken people there who normally wouldn't check out that kind of thing (generally my emo friends). They come away thinking the place is great.

    I mean, I'm no jazz afficianado. I'm relatively ignorant about the subject and I'm not the kind of musician who has any interest in learning/playing jazz either. However, it's still one of my favourite genres and the jazz albums I do own (hard-bop, swing, mainstream/pop, bossa-nova and free-jazz mostly) get played quite a lot.

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    I love jazz. I plan on getting my graduate degrees in Jazz Studies.

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