Thread: Grinds my gears

Originally Posted by Kealran

Yes, because I did say that we should all be hunter-gatherers...

There is a difference between following the laws of the natural world and going back to hunter-gatherer. Also it would be impossible in this day and age.

But there are sacrifices that must be made in our society in order to follow this rules. A majorr one is that we cannot keep increasing our population since it is already extremely high.

We can on another hand, start engineering in a Cradle to Cradle concept instead of Cradle to Grave. We keep making things and destroying things, accumulating trash in land fills and such. In a Cradle to Cradle in the design process we take into consideration the reuse of the materials after the product has past it's uses.

Also, we need to start doing Green chemistry. Since we are the only species on this planet creating components that have never been scene by the community of life. Components that no organisms have been adapted to dissolve and return to a natural state.

Those are just two things that can greatly help us.

Then again, with our current social organization we stand little chance to advance in the right direction. hierarchy is exceedingly problematic. The first step towards the new age is to have a new social order (not NWO that we keep hearing, thats just a new level of Hierachy.)

You are the really dumb kid in class who thinks he has everything figured out and then when he goes to do the work on the board gets revealed for an idiot and then goes home and takes his father's gun and shoots up the school.

What are these natural laws you seem to believe exist?

The natural environment is dynamic with or without us. Your whole ideal is half-baked to begin with because you aren't committing to your stated goals. We don't do chemistry without impacting the environment. If your goal is minimizing environmental impact, you're advocating the hunter-gather lifestyle. But who are we kidding, that's not really your goal, that's what you heard on TV.

Why can't we continue increasing our population? What rule does this break? There are plenty of examples of natural populations increasing beyond carrying capacity (let's just start with red tides, since it's probably the lowest-order example.)

And then to whatever other dumb ideas you've got: you are afforded the luxury of demanding these changes because the rest of the world is willing to sacrifice the environment for personal welfare. It's just the same as the way religion is one of the primary reasons we have the luxury to sit around and criticize religion. These are all necessary advances to get you where you are today.

Originally Posted by Atmosfear

You are the really dumb kid in class who thinks he has everything figured out and then when he goes to do the work on the board gets revealed for an idiot and then goes home and takes his father's gun and shoots up the school.

What are these natural laws you seem to believe exist?

The natural environment is dynamic with or without us. Your whole ideal is half-baked to begin with because you aren't committing to your stated goals. We don't do chemistry without impacting the environment. If your goal is minimizing environmental impact, you're advocating the hunter-gather lifestyle. But who are we kidding, that's not really your goal, that's what you heard on TV.

Why can't we continue increasing our population? What rule does this break? There are plenty of examples of natural populations increasing beyond carrying capacity (let's just start with red tides, since it's probably the lowest-order example.)

And then to whatever other dumb ideas you've got: you are afforded the luxury of demanding these changes because the rest of the world is willing to sacrifice the environment for personal welfare. It's just the same as the way religion is one of the primary reasons we have the luxury to sit around and criticize religion. These are all necessary advances to get you where you are today.

are you kidding me the natural laws are to live in peace with nature while fellating oneself

also agriculture is the worst thing ever to be invented by man